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Am I wrong in how I feel about DP's reaction to teen/child porn conversation?

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Followyourart · 28/04/2016 16:25

Was watching 24 hours in police custody last night, story about a paedophile that had been "set up" by a group of "paedophile hunters". I didn't want to watch it as it made me feel ill but DP wanted to see how it panned out, I suggested that it is the prevelence of "teen" porn that leads people to become paedophiles (not in all cases obviously) but I personally think it is a "progression" for some people. I also feel sickened that the "teen " category is so popular, and that this is simply accepted in society.
I might have raised my voice slightly only because I felt strongly about the subject - DP says "but they are children, not teens" I say, "yes but a teen is a child"
He then declares he's "going to bed" appears really angry, and doesn't speak to me when I get to bed / turns away from me.
Am I right to feel unnerved here? We've been together 3 years. The only thing I can think of is that he had a relationship with an 18 year old when he was 30... This didn't enter my head at the time.. Although that also, rightly or wrongly, unnerves me also sometimes.
Am I being weird about how he reacted? Was I expecting too much if him to agree with me about the teen porn thing? (He's 41 by the way, not 21.....)

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Goingtobeawesome · 30/04/2016 10:13

Someone abused a 14 year old and is a paedophile as stated by the judge so it is not just kids of 11 and under.

I'm confused as to the argument as he said teenagers are children, which they are so?

Goingtobeawesome · 30/04/2016 10:19

If you're scared of his reaction to talking to him about your concerns then it sounds like it's time to end this relationship.

pocketsaviour · 30/04/2016 13:19

Someone abused a 14 year old and is a paedophile as stated by the judge so it is not just kids of 11 and under.

Psychiatrically speaking, this is incorrect. A judge can only give opinion (and pass sentence), not a diagnosis.

The ICD defines paedophilia as "A persistent or a predominant preference for sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children."

Goingtobeawesome · 30/04/2016 13:20

Oh, I'll just message the judge then to tell him he shouldn't have said that.

Goingtobeawesome · 30/04/2016 13:20

And the barrister.

hownottofuckup · 30/04/2016 13:38

I don't think the issue here is your DP's feelings re his previous relationship with an 18yr old. The issue is his complete lack of compassion for your previous experiences.
The fact this has somehow become about 'him' is even worse.
I think you deserve better.

caroldecker · 30/04/2016 13:48

My understanding is that it is actually very difficult to find genuine underage porn, the porn companies do not want to touch it and the search engines will block such searches. I think you need to go into the 'dark web', which is very much deliberate, not accidental.

sassandfaff · 30/04/2016 14:13

There are loads of angles to this subject.

Unfortunately I have a lot of experience and knowledge in this area, through no fault of my own. Hmm

There are plenty of case studies, individual stories and theories from experts, that have linked the increase into child porn as a direct influence with teen porn.

Surely if some guy is particularly interested in 'barely legal' 'young girls' then they are jacking off to the idea that she looks underage. How is there nothing wrong with that?

This article sums it up for me.

here

Did anyone every see the stats from the founder of OK Cupid on what age most men prefer their partner to be? Women's tended to match their own age give or take a few years. I think the men's answer's only differed by 4 years. They all chose either 20, 21, 22, 23, or 24. That was men from 18 to 60!!!!

It's more of an eye opener to read the comments at the bottom of that article. It's full of 18 and 19 year olds telling their individual stories of 'creepy' and 'pervy' men in their 30's and above hitting on them.

I wonder if these sad losers realised how teenagers and young women really feel about them? I suspect, they would just revert to calling them 'slags' and 'sluts' and how they're not 'all that' if they did.

Evidence of this here

This is another good article from a man, explaining it quite well.

here

Like i said, i've read a lot, watched a lot, talked a lot, as this is personal to my life.

I'm still here for now, but unfortunately respect doesn't grow back.

Go figure......

sassandfaff · 30/04/2016 14:19

Technically a paedophile is an adult interested in pre-pubescent children.

An Ephebohile is an adult you likes them having gone through puberty, but young (12-19)

Personally I found a perfect description of an ephebopile on the urban dictionary site-

'An ephebopile is just a paedophile with a thesaurus'.

Followyourart · 30/04/2016 16:55

No goingtobe he said that teenagers aren't children - because I said that I believed that teenagers are the same as children - in regards to sex and relationships anyway, and he said no children are children and "teens" are "teens" it just shook me a bit,
The way I see it is at best he genuinely believes, like a lot of people that teen porn is anything up to late 20's, but if you're no into porn like myself how can you assume this is the case- is it like some unspoken rule amongst porn fans??
At worst he watches this type of porn - and thinks I don't compare to his previous gf. I mean How can I even compete with even memories of a much younger woman with (probably) a tighter body, prettier ect..
I don't know anymore

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Followyourart · 30/04/2016 16:57

Sorry sass but terminology aside I still can't abide it - it's wrong.

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sassandfaff · 30/04/2016 17:24

I feel that way too follow

I came across one website chrome history with an apparently big following, with a Latino woman, who was very popular because her stature was 4 foot 9.

It doesn't take a genius to work out, her appeal was because she gave the appearance of a child.

it takes some mental gymnastics to get past that. Sad

Joysmum · 30/04/2016 17:56

Given that 16 years olds can get married and that's the age of consent, I think the term teen is far more applicable.

I think many of us were sexually active at 16 and not classed as children. In fact 3 of my 5 closest friends are still with their older man from when we were teens, We are in our mid 40's now. I'd not class my friends from back then as 'children' nor their husbands as 'paedophiles'.

LouBlue1507 · 30/04/2016 18:05

Teenagers are children up until the age of 18. Teenagers over 18 (so 18 and 19 year olds) are adults not children.

sassandfaff · 30/04/2016 18:18

I usually find that people who argue that 18 year olds are adults, are the ones that watch porn/ don't think there is anything wrong with it.

They would have cognitive dissonance otherwise.

I worked in a YO and a college for many years. Trust me when I tell you 18 year olds are adult in name only.

They are massively immature (nothing wrong with that) and not very wise, despite being quite intelligent. I really think most all would not want to be forever defined or reminded of stupid idiotic things they did at 18.

If you really think that being in a porn film at 18-20 is a choice that they won't regret when they are older, I look like this, Hmm

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