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The older I get, the more I question if this was a form of abuse by my parents. Opinions very much welcome.

104 replies

somesortofpaint · 20/03/2016 15:59

I'm not sure where to begin with this, so if I have given irrelevant information, it's just because I'm trying to set the scene. And I'm sorry for the ramble!

Before I go into it, I have no idea if these things constitute abuse, or anything else untoward, or even if it is something that should affect me now (I'm 29). As I have got older, I've started questioning my parents behavior towards me as a child but also as an adult now, and it's made me see my childhood in a very different light. I'm not here for sympathy, I would really like honest opinions as to whether this is 'normal.' If I mentioned ANY of this to my parents, the answers would be:

  • you were a difficult child
  • everyone thought you were difficult and a handful
  • you were never happy with anything
  • you weren't like your sister
  • oh don't be so ridiculous (laughing it off)
  • oh we were awful parents weren't we (said dismissively, then they'd laugh together)

These things will probably sound very minimal, and are nothing compared to some of the things on other threads. I know this and appreciate that fact. Again, I'm looking for brutal honesty - perhaps I was just a nightmare child!!!

My parents, but mainly my dad, would kick me, pull me by my hair all the way up the stairs and slap me around the head if I wouldn't go to bed (I remember I wouldn't go to bed A LOT, so this must have been awful for them as parents and I have sympathy). But this sort of approach made me feel worthless, and I remember self harming after it happened (I don't do this anymore and havent for years).

I never had any privacy. There were NEVER locks on the bathroom door, and I remember many times my dad would walk in if he was angry about something or needed to talk to me or wanted me to get out of the bath because I was using too much hot water. He would just walk in. I hated it.

Every day I was at school, my mum would go through my room completely, throwing things away (that she believed to be rubbish) and taking my diary to read with my dad. I used to find my diary in their room very often, and other times they would pretend they hadn't read it but I could tell it had been moved from where I left it in my room that morning.

When I was 7, my mum told me I had ruined their holiday because I was awfully behaved and I would cause her and my dad to get divorced if I carried on. This wasn't something I believed, but any time they argued I was told it was my fault.

My younger sister was extremely good at ballet and we used to travel round every weekend to take her to uk competitions. I hated this and remember making a fuss...I would ask to stay at home or ask if my mum would spend the day with me instead...so this must have been hassling for my parents. However, when I think about this as an adult, I dont think i would ever make one child spend all their time so focused on a sibling's success.

At university, my parents would read all my post sent to their address. One year they opened a card from an ex boyfriend (I had been devastated to break up with), and didn' give it to me,. I found out a year later. This broke my trust in my mum completely.

Now, as an adult, I struggle to be around my parents. I find them very controlling. For instance, if I travel to see them for lunch on a Sunday, they will say it's at say, 2pm, and I will have arranged to be home by 6 to do work for the next day (my job is very demanding and they know this), then I will arrive at 1, and they will suddenly tell me they can't cook until 4 and i 'shouldnt be so dramatic' about needing to be back, and 'you're so self centred'. There are countless examples of this sort of thing..practical things where my parents seem to ignore I even have a life that isn't run by them. I feel utterly worthless around my parents most of the time I am with them.

Generally, my parents are critical of people. They always seem to think they are right. For instance, an electrician will visit and explain what needs doing, and after they leave, my parents will analyse the entire thing... why he was late, was he looking at their antique furniture ..and all these strange introverted things that I realise now as an adult are quite odd. They seem to enjoy drama.

While I have listed all of that, my parents have been good to me...I went to a brilliant school and they were very supportive of me academically and as a result I have a good job now with good prospects.They are generous mostly, and they have a good set of friends. I've had everything I ever needed and more. When it comes down to it, they are kind and want me to be happy. I love my sister dearly and we do have some nice family days. But I rarely leave my parents' presence now without feeling some form of anger or just dispapoitnment at the way they treat me - I have never felt respected by them, and struggle a lot with my self esteem where they are concenred. It hurts even more than on the few times I have mentioned anything remotely related to what I have described here, they just seem to mock me. They see me as dramatic, self obsessed and over the top. Perhaps I am deluded, but I don't see myself that way, yet I see all those traits in them. They're not bad people, but they make me feel bad a lot of the time, and it makes me sad.

OP posts:
Sprink · 20/03/2016 16:42

They've always been there financially, and they've driven to collect me from uni last minute and I had every opportunity in the world...I could have had horse riding lessons, played an instrument...nothing was too much trouble for them.

Did they take you to stately homes? Hmm

What you describe is abuse, both physical and emotional. I wouldn't want anything to do with them, but do suggest some form of therapy so you can discuss your childhood and emerging feelings with someone non-judgmental. The fact that you had to ask us if this was abusive (which it clearly was) means this is your "normal". It shouldn't be.

FrancisdeSales · 20/03/2016 16:43

You are describing lots of different kinds of abuse OP. One is projection: projecting on to you their own negative thoughts and behaviour. Another is lack of privacy, I think this is horribly abusive and reveals clearly their lack of boundaries. Not letting you lock a door, walking in on you in the bathroom, reading your diary and private letters is so invasive and extremely controlling. Their behaviour sounds like you were the family scapegoat (who is blamed for all the problems in the family, such as their marital problems) while your sister was the Golden Child, or favoured family hero. Giving children roles to play is typical of dysfunctional families. I would stop seeing them until you at least have had some serious therapy and support.

A big clue to dysfunction is that they always make you feel like shit and you dread having to see them or have contact with them.

You may also want to read about Personality Disorders, especially cluster B PDs.

pigeonpoo · 20/03/2016 16:44

OP extreme out of proportion gestures is one of the things that happens with emotional abuse

You're then obliged to feel guilty and indebted and accept all the crap - because they did those things

Iv been reading lots on it the last 24 hours and it is classic!

BeautifulMaudOHara · 20/03/2016 16:45

That was abusive, they are weird control freaks, so no, YANBU, at all.

I have only read your OP, deliberately.

The hair pulling, lack of privacy and hitting are especially chilling and horrible.

I am sorry, poor you.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 20/03/2016 16:45

So they spent a lot of money on you and encouraged your academic success. To be brutally honest that may have been for the sake of appearances/bragging rights rather than for your benefit.

Treating your child well and building their self esteem is basic parenting and they failed at that. I don't know how you get past it. Counselling maybe?

RhombusRiley · 20/03/2016 16:46

OMG OP, yes yes and yes, this was abusive. Flowers

Please do read Toxic Parents and also have a google search for abusive parents and toxic parents. You will find lots of things that will help you.

A lot of what you are experiencing is very normal for your situation - including the feeling that it was not that bad and other people have it worse and you're making a fuss over nothing (they have made you feel like this with their attitude) - and the way they turn it back on you and make out you were a difficult child and you're being oversensitive and unreasonable. That's a classic hallmark of abusiveness. Nice parents would say "I'm so sorry you feel I let you down as a child, please tell me about it and I'll do my best to listen and understand".

It's also normal to feel confused because they were "good parents" in some ways. Most abusive relationships involve some good behaviour and nice aspects - that does not make the abuse OK.

The violence was terrible, but the invasions of your privacy are almost worse. It's like they've been on a lifelong campaign to let you know your feelings and boundaries don't matter. You feel the way you do - doubtful and like you're making a fuss – because you've been raised to feel like you don't matter much.

I won't go into lots of detail about my own experience (I'd be here all day) but suffice to say I've been through a lot of similar stuff, and it took me a long time to really come to terms with it. You are 29, you are doing fantastically well to be questioning this now, and I can tell you it is possible to heal and become stronger and feel love and respect for yourself in a way they never did.

I think you would benefit very much from talking to a therapist too.

Here is a massive (((hug))) from someone who has been there.

FrancisdeSales · 20/03/2016 16:51

Sounds like they have you in golden handcuffs so they can guilt trip you.

Please, please block them on Facebook! They are like the inquistion, you may need to learn how to put up normal boundaries to gain adult privacy.

Toxic family members rely on FOG: Fear, obligation and guilt. You still sound very frigtened of them and the power they have over your life.

RhombusRiley · 20/03/2016 16:53

OP here is the latest stately homes thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2562518-But-we-took-you-to-Stately-Homes-survivors-of-dysfunctional-and-toxic-families

This is an ongoing discussion and safe place for people who grew up with toxic or abusive parents.

The name "stately homes" comes from a poster several years ago who when she tried to raise these issues with her parents, was told "But we took you to stately homes." Absolutely classic. "We were 'good parents' who did right by you so you can't complain that we hit you / invaded your privacy / negated your feelings / emotionally neglected you".

somesortofpaint · 20/03/2016 16:53

I appreciate all these replies so much.

Thank you eevryone.

I want to reply to each of them, I am just feeling a little shocked with what has been said..and sad that my suspicions of the abuse seem to be correct. it's hard to face.

Another thing that has come to my mind is when I was 14, my parents left me at home in the village we lived in, while they took my sister on a 'ballet holiday' with other young ballet dancers. I didnt want to go and my mum said i was attention seeking and 'why couldt i just enjoy my sister;s success?' I remember feeling like shit all week left on my own. that was a low point but i always blamed myself because...i could have gone with them as they kept reminding me.

OP posts:
Micah · 20/03/2016 16:54

O/p, ive been nodding my head through this whole thread.

The problem i have, is while my mother behaved exactly like yours, i honestly, genuinely believe she did her best as a parent. Yes, she made many mistakes, but don't we all. She thought she was doing the right thing, and parented as best she could.

For this reason i can't call it abuse. I have, however, disengaged, and am sad that i dont really feel anything but duty towards her any more.

NewMinouMinou · 20/03/2016 16:55

The fact that they're still bringing up your being difficult 20 years later is just bonkers. They know they were wrong.

Like I said earlier, we talk about DD's challenging years because they're not so long ago and because she sometimes asks about it. We say to her that now she's brilliant, hilarious and very sensible and I should imagine that by the time she's 29 we'll have forgotten most of the bad days.

somesortofpaint · 20/03/2016 16:55

micah that is how I feel and I go from feeling cross and hurt to feeling like they didnt their best and I am being unfair to feel hurt. it's confusing.

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NewMinouMinou · 20/03/2016 16:56

How were you attention-seeking when you asked to be left alone?

Cleo22 · 20/03/2016 16:56

Next time you go for lunch tell them in advance that you will have to leave at 5 on the dot for another appointment.

Tell them that if this is not possible you will have to arrange another weekend.

And FOLLOW THROUGH and leave at 5. If you do this they might pay attention in future. Good luck.

timelytess · 20/03/2016 16:57

My parents, but mainly my dad, would kick me, pull me by my hair all the way up the stairs and slap me around the head if I wouldn't go to bed
Didn't need to read any further. You were abused. I'm sorry, I won't be reading the rest of the thread at the moment, maybe when I'm feeling more resilient. I think you should get some help. Better late than never.

callitdelta7 · 20/03/2016 16:58

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FrancisdeSales · 20/03/2016 16:58

OP your parents are very emotionally immature and unfortunately you need to let go of any expectation that they will change and meet your emotional needs.

They parented with forms of control and punishment and had a total lack of empathy.

What is your relationship like with your sister?

somesortofpaint · 20/03/2016 17:02

francis my sister said she felt under masses of pressure with the ballet. i can talk to her about some things and i am close to her. she has a better relationship with my paretns as they have always seemed to have respected her more.

i was told lots of times that they wished i was more like my sister. i'm lucky to have her in my life and we have lots of laughs together. if she read this thread, im not sure how far she would agree that it was abuse though.

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NewMinouMinou · 20/03/2016 17:05

Thinking about this a lot.

With DD, we had a nightmare with her, but it was almost as if we felt it was her right to be difficult as she's an individual, with needs although we still have no bloody idea what they were-- that she just couldn't communicate. We just had to wait and keep reassuring her (Velcro child until 3.5-4) that the world was an ok place.

Whereas your m&d seem to think you were a project, or an object - I think a PP mentioned bragging rights up thread - to show off and "use".

Mumof2twoboys · 20/03/2016 17:06

I think parents are supposed to love their children. I know I love mine but... my mother didn't love me. She wasn't even invited to my wedding as I knew she would cause a scene or try to ruin it somehow

It is a form of abuse to speak negatively about your child and make them feel bad about themselves. Even if they think those things they don't have to voice them out loud in front of you Angry

TunnocksInAHammock · 20/03/2016 17:14

I have not read the full thread but the overwhelming thing that stands out to me is they were very forthcoming with providing you with things that reflected well on them (good education etc. ) but gave nothing at all of things that you wanted or needed. You were abused no question.

flippinada · 20/03/2016 17:15

somesort, yes you were abused by your parents You didn't deserve any of that and absolutely wasn't your fault Flowers.

MissusWrex · 20/03/2016 17:25

Oh op! Sad

I was a very difficult child (add) and at times I'm sure must have pushed my parents to the brink.

But they never hit me, pulled my hair or anything you have described.

We didn't have locks on our bathroom door either but neither if my parents would have EVER come in. The must they did was occasionally knock on the door and ask if I was ok from outside ( I was very accident prone)

You have most certainly been raised in an emotionally and physically abusive environment.

They will never admit it though.

pigeonpoo · 20/03/2016 17:25

I think a lot of abusers don't mean to abuse, or recognise that they do so.

My mum genuinely tries. But she still harmed and harms me. She's still abusive, even though that's not her intention

I expect most people learn to be abusive from their own experiences. If you have a healthy model, chances are you will naturally behave healthily.

If however you can't recognise it's unhealthy, because it's all you knew yourself, how can you possibly behave healthily?

ILostItInTheEarlyNineties · 20/03/2016 17:27

I don't think there is anything to be gained by confronting your parents over this. They have clearly excused their behaviour to themselves and you won't get answers
or confessions.

Please don't try to normalise it or doubt your own feelings. How you feel is how you feel. I think you need to accept that your parents were physically abusive to you sometimes and emotionally abusive towards you most of the time and still are to an extent.
It doesn't have to shape how you are now but I think it will help to accept your upbringing for what it was.

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