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Getting shoved out of a friendship group by bloke who admitted to cheating. Annoying!

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nowyoucmo · 08/03/2016 18:24

I feel a bit weird about this so please don't have a go at me. I've not posted my own thread before and am a bit nervous!

About three years ago, my DH and I met up with a couple that we were friendly with - let's call them Paul and Sarah. I've always got on better with the Paul than with Sarah, I don't know why - similar senses of humour and from a similar area. Sarah and my DH have similar jobs, so rather than it being the boys talking and the girls talking it tended to be me and Paul gabbing and my DH talking to Sarah.

After a few drinks the Paul told me - blurted out - that he had kissed one of his friend's girlfriend and that Sarah didn't know about it. This was a few months ahead of their wedding. I was a bit Confused and didn't know what to say. But I said that as long as it hadn't gone any further, I didn't think he should necessarily tell Sarah unless he was madly in love with this other woman or intended to leave (this is the bit I'm worried you'll all tell me off about - but like I say, it was a shock and I was very on-the-spot). He said that he hugely regretted it and felt stupid and guilty etc. At the time, I felt quite sorry for him. And her, obviously.

Later on I told my DH - who thought he was really inappropriate telling me this - especially when Sarah was so close by. It also caused a weird conversation about what he/I would do if WE had kissed someone else. Which could have all been avoided if it wasn't for this bloody Paul and his generally inappropriate behaviour.

Anyway, we agreed we would just leave it as it wasn't our business and we weren't really close friends/hadn't known them very long. I ended up feeling really resentful that Paul had over shared and as though now I couldn't really look the woman in the face. I certainly didn't want to shit-stir by telling her. In hindsight, I wish I had encouraged her to tell her, and think - based on what comes next - that this is what happened.

The wedding was about six months later. We didn't/couldn't attend as we were on holiday. I was a bit relieved about that - booked .

This is the bit where I am stupid and out of order. But - I was really cross with this bloke - and really confused... Anyway, here we go.
So, there is another couple in the mix - who weren't there at the original event - let's call them Mark and Emma. I used to get on with Emma well, she was the kind of missing link between me and Sarah and when the six of us met up she made it much less awkward and conversation flowed better.

There was talk of getting together and Paul was really taking over and after this 'confession' was being very friendly and enthusiastic about meeting up/being friendly, probably out of embarrassment. I felt a distinct chill from Sarah and wondered if Paul had told her about this bloody kiss and as a result she was angry with me ??? because I knew about it? And had told Paul not to tell her?

Anyway he was being really pushy about meeting up and I snapped and told Emma what Paul had told me. I said that it had made me feel really uncomfortable and that we were generally trying to distance ourselves a bit. I'm not very good at confrontation - or lying - and just told the truth.
DH was annoyed with me saying I had pretty much done to Emma was Paul did to me - if that makes sense. Emma seemed quite shocked and didn't particularly comment on it. I did profusely apologise afterwards if I had made her feel uncomfortable and she had said that she understood why I would feel awkward.
It sounds selfish, but I did feel better.

Anyway - skip forward over a year and we've had a couple more meetings. We've felt a bit left out of conversation and I can only presume that Sarah knew about this kiss and perhaps had told Emma and now they think I'm some kind of shit-stirrer. Which I'm really not.
We ended up with Mark on our own at one point who was lovely and presumably knew what I had told Emma and didn't comment on it and neither did we.

About a month ago we saw that they had got together without us and while my DH is relieved that we are out of the loop, I feel like Paul has kind of sabotaged our friendship - we always had a good laugh. I also feel like Sarah is mad with me rather than with Paul! Although perhaps he told her that I had confessed something and has twisted it around??

I don't know.

It probably sounds really petty but it does hurt that all this crap got dumped on me and I feel like my only real crime was telling Emma. And I only did that because I was getting frustrated over Paul being a bit bossy about meeting up.

I want to call Paul on the phone and say that I'm mad with him but it will probably sound ridiculous after all this time. And even if he did say that Sarah knows about it now AND that I told Emma - what then? - we are hardly all going to sit around and laugh about it are we?

Me and DH do have friends but not necessarily couples that we socialise with together so this has made a bit of a dent in our social life. I know that probably sounds a bit pathetic! Again I've never had anything against Sarah - we just never particularly hit it off.

I feel a bit resentful looking at photos of them all laughing and joking when he's a weirdo who snogs his mate's girlfriend and then to top it all - gets drunk and tells people a few feet away from his fiance, and then shoves us/me out!

In the grand scheme of things I'm probably being over sensitive and was stupid to have repeated what I heard to anyone other than Sarah. But it's really pissing me off!

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nowyoucmo · 08/03/2016 22:06

It wasn't a double date - we went for a meal as a group and I sat next to DH and we all chatted, on the way to the bar afterwards they had started chatting about something to do with work and it made sense to just sit next to the person you were talking too. I was opposite DH and Paul and Sarah were opposite each other too. It wasn't a big deal to me not sitting next to DH as it was only a night cap anyway and been sat next to DH all night up until then. Me and DH aren't jealous or anything - they work in a similar job and just like if Sarah was a man they were taking about work type stuff. I wasn't really interested in listening to it anyway so I was happy chatting to Paul about the house problems me and DH had had and generally gossiping about stuff from where we are from.

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nowyoucmo · 08/03/2016 22:09

Maybe I'm not explaining very well but it was just a tall table with four stools around it - I was chatting to Paul and DH was chatting to Sarah. It was probably after about ten mins I made the remark about p&s being back on track (or similar - just being nice/making conversation) when he said "we weren't getting on and I did something stupid"...

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BerylStreep · 08/03/2016 22:36

It's horrible to feel frozen out, but I agree with other posters that you need to move on from these friends and find new hobbies / friends. Trust me, that's easier to type than to do, as I am in a similar situation. I / We've been Wendied, and it really bloody hurts. I think some of the lingering hurt is not knowing what conversations have taken place with others about you and paranoia can start to take over.

But really, Paul sounds like a sleaze - they always start off by confiding about their relationship problems. As old as the hills. Although it is horrible not to feel in control of the situation, you will look back at some stage and be thankful they are no longer friends of yours. As for Mark & Emma - they make their own choices.

nowyoucmo · 08/03/2016 22:41

What's being wendied? It makes me think of a Wendy house!

Oh and the poster who asked if it was Emma and Paul who snogged - haha no it wasn't (that I know of anyway!). He said it was a bloke he does sports with and that he'd bumped in to his girlfriend on a night out and they'd waited for cabs together and had had a snog in the taxi rank (classy!) and that he had fancied her for ages but "obviously" wouldn't go there Hmm

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nowyoucmo · 08/03/2016 22:43

He didn't snog the bloke he does sport with (again, that I'm aware of Grin haha) - but the bloke's girlfriend. Nice!

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PushingThru · 08/03/2016 22:44

He 'obviously' wouldn't go there, then did? They all sound awful, you're better off.

nowyoucmo · 08/03/2016 22:46

No. Mark is nice and still being friendly. I think he feels a bit sorry for me. Emma has definitely gone a bit funny with me but then I did put her in the middle so i can't really blame her. I'm rubbish at this sort of thing. Secrets and stuff. I hate it!

And yeah "obviously" was so annoying he kept saying "I'd never go there" but I kept thinking "Erm, but you did".

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BerylStreep · 08/03/2016 22:47

There was a thread on here years ago by a poster about a woman who had joined in her friendship group, who then proceeded to turn all of the friends against her by (apparently) spreading lies about her. I say apparently, because the poster could never get to the bottom of what her alleged crime had been, everyone kept tight-lipped about it, but froze her out. The 'friend' was referred to as 'Wendy' and so being 'Wendied' became a verb. It means to be frozen out of your friendship group by a usurper, often a queen bee type of woman.

Loads of people shared their experiences of being Wendied. From memory it was quite a cathartic thread for many.

NickiFury · 08/03/2016 22:48

I'm sorry but I think the whole think sounds ridiculously high-schoolish and you should never have told "Emma". Agree that the whole dynamic sounds weird anyway, you each off chatting with each other's significant other. He's an idiot and you're better off out of it. You never got on with her unless another mate was around to break the ice and he's a slimy creep. I'd be relieved at not having to be around them tbh.

nowyoucmo · 08/03/2016 22:51

Oh I see - thanks Beryl

And yes, it does bloody hurt! But DH does seem genuinely relieved that there's been a bit of a stop to it all. He's a really easy going bloke who hates a bad atmosphere. I kind of miss being closer to Emma as we had a bit in common but it just feels like Paul has charmed her of that she feels sorry for Sarah, which I can understand.

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nowyoucmo · 08/03/2016 22:52

Thanks Nicki that's lovely!

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nowyoucmo · 08/03/2016 22:53

Genuinely don't see what's so odd about two couples talking to the other's partner around a table in a bar. Now who's being high school ish Wink

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ChickadeeChick · 08/03/2016 23:06

What's the P word?? Confused

nowyoucmo · 08/03/2016 23:08

She was talking about a Muslim family that live near them and referred to the dad as a "cheeky P*"

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MatrixReloaded · 09/03/2016 02:18

I agree , I'd be relieved . She's an unpleasant racist and he's a horrid sleaze.

Isetan · 09/03/2016 03:42

You're asking the wrong question, it should be 'why would I want to be friends with them?' rather than, 'Why don't they want to be my friends?'. You're acting like some major injustice has happened to you, it hasn't, this sleaze and his causally racist wife have gone cold on you, surely that's a blessing?

WhoaCadburys · 09/03/2016 06:28

They sound awful OP

nowyoucmo · 09/03/2016 07:17

Yep - they are awful etc.

What I was annoyed about was that I feel like I've kind of blown it by telling Emma - who I got on well with - and probably making myself look like a gossip.
No major "injustice" - just sad that things have soured soured with M&E and its because of me not not knowing how to react to something that was a shock at the time.

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GiraffesAndButterflies · 09/03/2016 07:18

Agree that he was coming on to you and possibly Sarah has gathered/guessed his interest hence being off with you.

Emma probably feels totally stuck in the middle especially if anyone else has confided in her.

I don't think the situation is recoverable and I agree you should try and let it go.

GiraffesAndButterflies · 09/03/2016 07:18

X-post with you- can you invite M&E to something and try and start seeing them separately?

workedoutforthebest · 09/03/2016 07:25

Op, that would annoy me too.

The trouble is, when you told 'emma', she was then free to tell who she wants & probably did do.

I have also learnt the hard way that if you want a secret keeping, keep it to yourself.

Hope it all sorts itself out, OP.

Duckdeamon · 09/03/2016 07:27

As your DH says, it was inappropriate (at best) of him to talk to you about their relationship and his infidelity. You shouldn't have given him ANY bloody advice, but rather told him you weren't impressed that he had shared that information with you.

Not should you have told Emma: you put her in a difficult position by doing so. Your justification for that sounds flimsy.

Anyway, for whatever reasons it sounds like you're not really friends anymore, so best move on.

nowyoucmo · 09/03/2016 07:31

I didn't try to justify giving him "advice" - he wouldn't drop it and I really just wanted him to shut up because I was mortified.
And telling Emma was stupid - I said that in my original post.

I will move on - we don't see them very often and as I think has been long established - s&p are a bit of a pain in the arse. I think I was annoyed - with P and myself - that I had told Emma. That was all. Like I said several times yesterday - I needed to rant and I knew it was a bit petty and that I wasn't blameless in the whole thing.

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nowyoucmo · 09/03/2016 07:35

Thank you work Smile

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WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 09/03/2016 07:43

I would bet that he has realised he's overshared, panicked thinking you might say something at some point. So to,pre-empt that he's said you've seemed a bit flirty, he's worried you fancy him.

So then if you do tell anyone in the future he has the perfect cover, that you're a deranged bunny boiler upset because he's rebuffed you.

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