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DH loses it and says/calls me these things, what would you do?

101 replies

Mrstumbletap · 04/03/2016 21:58

Hi, I'm just looking for a bit of perspective/advice. DH has a bit of a temper and when we row (usually once a month) over something silly like remembering to pick something up, or where something is, it can escalate and end up with him just reeling off a load of insults or just nasty things. Such as, your stupid, horrible, ugly (only said that once), pathetic, I don't like you etc.

I have learnt arguing back in this situation is pointless and usually ends up with him walking out slamming the door. Then later that afternoon or the next day he is really sorry, says he knows he shouldn't say those things and that he just does it to hurt me, and that he knows it wrong. He grew up in quite a similar situation so I know where he gets it from.

On the whole he works hard, is sweet, funny, romantic, good around the house, good with DC and we get on well, but one argument a month his Jekyl and Hyde comes out. I'm getting a thick skin to it now and just wait for him to finish his rant and then speak to him that eve or the next day. Been together many years and it's never escalated to more than that.

Can you give me your thoughts?

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AnyFucker · 05/03/2016 11:03

No excuse at all. He does it to fulfil some need in him. That's not good.

liletsthepink · 05/03/2016 11:07

No matter how nice your DH can be nothing makes up for the fact that he insults you, shouts at you and deliberately upsets you. This isn't a communication problem it's an abuse problem. The only way to make it stop is by ending the marriage because he doesn't respect you enough to control his temper.

Your DS is going to become just like his father in the future in the same way that your DH learned his behaviour from his family. You need to leave.

MadameJosephine · 05/03/2016 11:11

My line is quite simple. I would leave a partner who deliberately does something to hurt me, whether emotionally or physically.

Paddletonio · 05/03/2016 11:37

I would leave.

My DP has never spoken to me like that and wouldn't dream of it, nor would I to him. Because we actually like and respect each other.

I could not share my life with someone who behaves like that towards me.

ConkersDontScareSpiders · 05/03/2016 11:53

My exh regularly used to say something to me during arguments that he knew would genuinely upset me.(not insulting the way your dh does op but nevertheless derogatory and calculated). It always then enabled him to take the moral high ground because I would then be more angry and less rational in what I was saying to him. Ergo he would then 'win'It took me a long time to twig that but when I did and stopped reacting to it he couldn't live with it. It was all about power and control.
I can't imagine me putting up with that in future relationships tbh.
If you've told him calmly that it upsets you when he uses those terms towards you and he has ignored that then I don't think he's taking you seriously enough.
With my ex dh I eventually began to calmly call him out whenever he said it by saying something like 'what relevance does that have to this argument? How does saying that make your argument stronger?' And repeating that if he carried on.Which was effective during the row but didn't prevent the issue during subsequent arguments unfortunately...

musicismylife · 05/03/2016 11:55

You may have developed a thick skin, op, but that is purely a mechanism of coping.

It bothers you, otherwise you wouldn't have started this thread or made notes about when the abuse was taking place.

And, I think you are missing the point about it not affecting your confidence. A truly confident woman would have walked out the door.

Just because it is once a month, it does not make it any better than once day. He is verbally abusive.

It's an awful situation, op :-(

AnyFucker · 05/03/2016 11:57

"It's OK because he doesn't mean it"

One of the saddest sentences ever

Zaurak · 05/03/2016 12:02

Again and again on here I see

"He's a wonderful father, but ..."
"He's great unless we argue"

If someone is a saint 95% of the time and verbally insults/hits/makes you feel like shit the other 5% they are not a good person

I could not live with someone who did this. Dh and I do not shout, not at each other, not at anyone.

Leave.

TwoMag314s · 05/03/2016 14:21

Absolutely. And you might think that it's not affecting your self-esteem, but it will be. the first man I went out with after my x, I did something a bit stupid and careless once and it cost him £80 (I could explain but it could out me). Anyway, he just rolled his eyes and smiled and lived with it. He wasn't cross, he didn't call me a name, he didn't seem angry. I got some sort of panic attack because he was KIND to me. I felt like I was chocking back tears of gratitude because this man wasn't roaring at me. Like you, I'd thought I'd developed a thick skin, and yes, i had but I shouldn't have needed such a thick skin. My self-esteem had been damaged. I had been damaged to the point where I felt like something was wrong, off kilter, weird ... that a man could know the cock up I@d made and not be angry and verbally abusive to me. So make no mistake OP, this is affecting you.

Heatherjayne1972 · 05/03/2016 14:36

As I see it It's the fact that during an argument he gets personal that's your issue -my ex did the same. Personal attacks and Calling you stupid means that he doesn't respect you. It's a way of deflecting criticism - he knows he could/should put the bin out but didn't /wouldn't and so it's easier to shout at you than realise he is jointly responsible for the bin
It's frustrating but only you can decide if you want to live like this - I would say when he's had a blowout and it's still fresh in your mind remind him that you don't want to be spoken to like that and if it doesn't stop I would think about the whole relationship - this is bigger than the bin it's about how much he respects you ( or not)

EasyToEatTiger · 05/03/2016 16:06

My husband does this and calls me dreadful things. I have decided it's time to absolutely believe him, and treat him as though he has no respect for me. I anticipate leaving him in due course as he is truly horrible to me. His first wife got away. Lucky, lucky woman.

NuckyT · 05/03/2016 16:16

I don't think anyone should have to develop a thick skin in order to live with their partner. Your partner should make you comfortable and happy.

sonjadog · 05/03/2016 17:22

I would have agreed the other others above, but then you said that you run rings round him in arguments and have to win and he can't do that and so ends up frustrated and uses insults as that is all he has to offer.

I suggest you stop aiming to "win" and try to make your side of the argument more constructive and less about winning and see if a change in your behaviour will provoke a change in his. It sounds like you are in a groove and when the argument starts you follow it through as you always do. Try that first and see if it helps.

If he continues to insult you, then yes, I think you do need to make it very, very clear to him that if he wants the relationship to continue, it has to stop now, and you have to mean it.

NameChange30 · 05/03/2016 17:32

It's verbal abuse and it's unacceptable.

OP, you said you don't know what is and isn't "normal" and acceptable in a relationship. You need to read this post:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/698029-Right-listen-up-everybody

Cel982 · 05/03/2016 18:05

The 'line', OP, is doing something to deliberately hurt your partner. None of your other examples involve that intent to cause pain. My OH is far from perfect, but in the ten years we have been together he has never called me stupid, lazy or ugly. Never ever. Not once. And it would be an absolute game-changer if he did. I really think you've normalised what is in fact abusive behaviour.

Lanark2 · 05/03/2016 18:52

Where does the line lie between saying it out loud and thinking it?

stumblymonkey · 05/03/2016 19:11

I agree with previous posters, no my DP isn't perfect and neither am I but we never, ever do anything that we know would hurt the other person.

In a similar situation...if I point out that I've done the last three loads of dishes, DP would say sorry, give me a kiss and do the dishes. And vice versa.

Your friends sound like they also have unhealthy relationships so I'm not sure they're a great benchmark.

His behaviour is definitely unacceptable. If he can live his life without verbally abusing anyone else then I'm damn sure he can manage it with you too.

And I'm sorry but I don't agree with the 'well...your partner has to see the worst side of you'....sure that applies in that DP has to see me when I'm ill or emotional or whatever. But again, even when we've had a bad day and are cranky and frustrated we don't take it out on each other...

Zaphodsotherhead · 05/03/2016 19:24

What happens (or what do you think would happen) if, when he started with the verbal abuse, you just turned on your heel, said, 'I don't have to take this', and walked out?

If you think he would follow you, continuing to abuse you, to try to get the last word and put you down, then you have a huge problem.

If you think he'd stop ranting, slam a door a few times...well, you've still got a problem, but you can control it. Walk away. Treat him like a tantrumming child - deny him any attention. Maybe he's feeding off your irritation and anger with him?

Isetan · 05/03/2016 19:25

So what happens when he says these things in fromt of your child, (it's only a matter of time because he can't help himself apparently)? How are you going to explain away the hurtful things Daddy says to Mummy and what happens when your H start saying hurtful things to your child? Will it be your child's responsibility to grow a thicker skin because it's the price they have to pay for being your H child?

When you had a child your marriage stopped just being about you and your H, it became the foundation of your children's childhood and is your H shouting abuse at you (however infrequent) a healthy dynamic to model.

TheSparrowhawk · 05/03/2016 19:27

Everyone is allowed to have private thoughts Lanark, and if the OP's husband really does believe that stupid, pathetic, horrible and ugly then maybe he should leave rather than shouting those things at her?

LineyReborn · 05/03/2016 19:35

I'd be horrified if a partner called me 'ugly' and my son heard it.

AnyFucker · 05/03/2016 19:40

I would assume that if a pertner ca

AnyFucker · 05/03/2016 19:40

Called me ugly that he no longer wanted to be in a relationship with such an ugly person and assume game over

LineyReborn · 05/03/2016 19:44

And I know OP you say he only called you ugly the once so far, but being called stupid or lazy would feel the same to me.

I had an argument with OH last night about Brexit which was pretty full on tbh, but no names were called.

hereyougoagain · 05/03/2016 23:04

My DH does/used to do it as well, not arguments over bins or similar, it was nearly always over the children or finances. I thought he was too hard on the kids, he thought I was undermining him by not letting him enforce his boundaries (which were often way too harsh by my standards).

But also I could have imagined him absolutely hitting the ceiling if, say I had a speeding or parking fine. He never had one! He always maintains that he's been working in jobs he mostly either hated or found desperately boring to be able to provide for me and the kids while I've been a SAHM, and losing money where I could have been less careless and not lost it would be disrespectful to him and his back breaking toiling. In a situation like that he would not have necessarily screamed at me, but I could imagine him shouting out in fury, slamming doors, that sort of thing.

And in the past he did shout at me, and called me stupid idiot, F you, etc, a couple of times it happened even in front of the children. We did nearly divorce each time afterwards. It always felt like his fury came out of nowhere, but afterwards he always said I provoked him, I started a fight (I never meant to) and I can press his buttons like no one else. To be honest, even his mother said he had an extremely short fuse since birth, and he did lose his rag with his employers and even his best friend a couple of times.

Anyway, I did wonder a lot whether it was EA after the last time, and told him about it, and he said that if he made me feel that bad, we needed to separate, that wasn't a way to live our life.

We decided to give it another go, because after the last very long conversation I did see some things I had been doing which might have been EA on MY side, which I would have never recognised as such (I never call anyone names etc), but he maintained that they accumulated continuously damaging his self-esteem and making him feel unloved and disrespected, and that he would eventually explode over something seemingly minor because of my attitude/demeanour grinding away at him previously.

I did use to make mildly jokingly I guess unflattering or sarcastic remarks to him, the more unhappy I felt the more I must have done it, and he would get more and more distant and cold, and I would get more and more depressed and critical and cold to him in return....Anyway, after the last time I started watching myself like a hawk, I realised I thought I was kind but I wasn't really (not in my attitude towards him), and I stopped any criticism and also tried to pull my weight a bit more (had been difficult lately due to non-sleeping baby and some other issues).
Well, DH has CHANGED. Even his voice his changed, the way he is talking to me, he hasn't talked in this syrupy way for years Grin. Actually, he seems so far more relaxed and willing to spend time with me, and far less upset by the things which used to drive him crazy (like I nearly always forget to lock the car, after unloading the DCs and stuff, however I try I get distracted by the baby etc and then forget). He used to get quite angry and upset, not swear at me, but tell me off, last time he discovered it he just joked about it.

So I don't know. I definitely felt emotionally abused at times, but he always maintained that he didn't want to control me in any way, he was just tired of me doing the stuff he didn't want me to do again and again. And he did say things 'you pick a fight with me, you get a fight', sounds not good, I know (why would I want to pick a fight with someone I love? but he felt my behaviour was passive agressive a lot)
I feel like we've both jumped off the carousel now, it's been longer than ever without fights or tension, but of course only time would show if actually he is not EA. I know had I known mumsnet when it was a regular-ish thing (once every 2-4months) and had posted about my situation everyone would have shouted LTB, but now I hope we are over it? So it would have been devastation which could have been prevented?

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