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how to tell her no

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crunchynutclustersdevilswork · 01/03/2016 00:26

A family friend of DH’s who lives abroad (best friend of his older sister) came to stay with us three weeks ago when she was in London for business. We don’t/didn’t know her that well, but as she’s such a long standing friend of SIL, we wanted to honour SIl’s friendship with her and put her up so she didn’t have to pay for a hotel in London.

We showed her a good time, took her out for some nice meals, and spent quite a lot of our family time with her. It was the first time she had met our DC and she made a beeline for our DD (2yrs) who is very friendly and open. While she was here, she repeatedly asked if she could take DD out alone. We made excuses – mostly because we knew that DD usually cries when she is left with someone she doesn’t know and we didn’t want this woman to feel awkward – until the last day we agreed she could take DD for a walk around the park for 20 mins , and things seemed to be okay. We enjoyed her company too and we made a real effort and waved her off a few weeks ago agreeing that we’d pop in on her, next time we are in the country where she lives. We envisaged that would be in a couple of years time, if at all.

Since she left she has been repeatedly emailing me saying that she misses us, and misses DD most of all. I’ve replied a little bit saying hope she’s doing well, but really not encouraging a dialogue. There have been so many messages that I have actually just ignored a few because they just say things like "I am missing XXX (Dd's name) so much...." and I really can't think of what to say to that considering she has met DD once.

Last week she contacted me again saying she is due back in the UK and wants to stay with us again. While we liked her, we have no desire to share our house again for another week with someone we have to entertain. We no longer have a spare room, either, so it was a perfect excuse. I told her (and now regret this) that unless she was prepared to sleep on the hard floor, we had absolutely no room and we were really sorry but we could not put her up.

Obviously she replied saying she was prepared to sleep on the floor.

DH and I deliberated and decided to tell her that it was really not convenient for us, we would be very busy most days and staying away from the house for a few nights this week (this is technically true.) That if she really had nowhere else to go, she could sleep on the floor for maybe two nights, and get the key from one of our neighbours to let herself in.

She replied saying her business trip was very flexible so she would wait until we returned the week after, and come for a week then.

I didn’t reply to this message. She’s followed up with a few other messages explaining that her priority is to spend time with us and alone time with DD.

I’m starting to find it all a bit weird. Dh wants to give her the benefit of the doubt because he’s known her (via his DSis) forever and she’s a family friend. We also don’t want to upset Dsis by rejecting her friend. Both she and Dsis are unmarried and childless and DH’s other point is that it’s quite likely she is lonely and just wants to be part of a family atmosphere.

I also found out today that she had given the impression to DD's childminder (when she met her, as she was living in our house!) that she was DD's second mother and extremely close to DD. And that she (the childminder) didn't really need to be around if she (SIL's best friend) was there to take care of DD, and actually suggested she go home! Although this was an "impression" given, not a direct quote.

Also, the culture that DH, SIL and she are from pride themselves on their “hospitality” and DH said that she would probably not consider it abnormal if we just turned up to the city she lives in and expect bed and board.

Regardless, I am now uncomfortable with her obsession with DD and her focus on spending intense time with us where we are forced into a position of giving her attention. I know that allowing her to stay and then passive aggressively not giving her the same treatment as last time or refusing to let her be alone with DD will just be confusing behaviour for her, so I have to be clear and kind.

Sometimes when I see threads about how to tell someone something, a poster comes up with an ingenious way to phrase something that I would never have thought of, which doesn’t cause offence, and I’m hoping someone can help me out here with some phrasing or boundary setting I can use…

If I repeatedly say it is inconvenient, she will just postpone until the next time

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Arfarfanarf · 01/03/2016 19:01

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WitchWay · 01/03/2016 19:16

Very odd - I think you'll have to be extremely blunt here. Would SIL help with this?

Unhappyexpat · 01/03/2016 19:20

If this was a man, would you be dithering about saying no?

sonjadog · 01/03/2016 19:21

Aussiebean's suggestion is good. It's clear but not unfriendly.

Ikeameatballs · 01/03/2016 19:23

Sorry but we aren't able to host guests at the moment and I don't know when this situation will change. You should make other arrangements for your trip. Do not specify what "the situation" is.

Millymollymoo8 · 01/03/2016 19:30

I would say lets do it another time or anything like that, you are just leaving the door open.

I think that I would lie and say you have some personal stuff going on and best to leave it for now.

Millymollymoo8 · 01/03/2016 19:30

Wouldn't

BlimeyCrikey · 01/03/2016 19:33

Whoah, I'd find that behaviour very intense and claustrophobic.

I have travelled for work and never have I had to arrange to stay with family/friends, that's just off. Business travel comes with a nice hotel stay. I find it really odd. Also you only hosted her stay three weeks ago and it sounds like it was a busy one. You can tell her you're not ready to host again as it's a strain on family time.

MoominPie22 · 01/03/2016 19:48

I´m playing Guess the Culture! What´s wrong with that?? Confused Is she South Asian? i.e from the Indian subcontinent?

Hey, are you implying I´m Asianist??? Shock

AnyFucker · 01/03/2016 20:32

I think asking about whether someone is SE Asian and then implying there is a good chance they will abuse a child is pretty racist actually.

SymphonyofShadows · 01/03/2016 20:37

It reads as racist to me too. Do we really need to guess the culture? Inappropriate is inappropriate wherever you are from.

Footle · 01/03/2016 20:45

Pushed my buttons. I have family in a part of the world that a certain type of westerner associates with sexual abuse. I'm fed up with it.

lilian84 · 01/03/2016 20:45

I would say that although it would be lovely to see her again, you hope she doesn't mind but that its going to be quite a squeeze for her to stay at your house.. even on the floor, although its nice of her to be happy to sleep on the floor its just a bit busy in your house in general and you hope she understands or something along those lines :S Then just suggest as others have you meet up for an evening meal out... Its a tricky one as due to SIL you are trying to be polite but you need to close the door on the option of staying, if you just delay it again this will keep cropping up...rubbish situation for you!

AyeAmarok · 01/03/2016 20:46

I think just say

"I/We have a lot on our plate at the moment so it's really not good timing for you to stay with us. If you're over then we'll try and make sure we get to meet you (and SIL? safety in numbers) for dinner one evening if we can."

I'm sure others can edit that better than me.

zoobaby · 01/03/2016 20:55

I'd make up an excuse such as your DD is/was/ has been unsettled by her/visitors in general and you'd rather keep her routine structured. Then agree to meet up some time while she's here.

AddToBasket · 01/03/2016 21:02

If it was me I would not mention DD in the reply (just use 'us/we') and I would definitely not use her as an excuse.

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AnyFucker · 01/03/2016 21:18

Pleasant

expatinscotland · 01/03/2016 21:22

They've tried excuses. She finds a solution. You will have to say NO.

sheffieldsteeler · 01/03/2016 21:32

Don´t be coming on here derailing someone´s thread

Biscuit
AyeAmarok · 01/03/2016 21:46

OK everyone, back to helping the OP out with the wording!

MoominPie22 · 01/03/2016 22:04

Symphony The reason I was guessing the culture is cos the OP mentioned they were renowned for being hospitable....so I immediately thought maybe Chinese actually. PLus Indians are very hospitable in my experience. There was absolutely no link made between me guessing someone´s culture and then assuming that it would make them a child molester based on them being Asian! WTF? Confused

I do actually think there may be some sinister intent here with this weird woman but culture is entirely irrelevant. Why else would the woman be so interested in trying to get the child on her own? Not to mention being over-eager to stay again with the OP! Not natural.

AF Yeah funny how slinging insults like ¨Racist¨ around can get people´s backs up, eh? Hmm

Sheffield Can I have a brew to dunk it in? Preferably a Carlsberg Special-type.

AnyFucker · 01/03/2016 22:14

Indeed it can.

scarlets · 01/03/2016 22:16

She sounds bonkers. I don't care where she is from. Put her off, be to-the-point, and if she messages you again, block her.

Justmuddlingalong · 01/03/2016 22:25

Tell her you accommodated her last time as a courtesy to DH's family. However, you are not willing for this to become a regular thing. Inundating you with messages is annoying, so wish her all the best for the future. If she continues, tell her you will block her, then do it.

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