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abusive son - quite long but desperately need advice

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purplenights · 21/02/2016 08:59

My son (22) has always had an aggressive side and tbh I generally feel I have to walk on eggshells with him as he can be unpredictable. Historically he can get angry at inconsequential things and now he is an adult (he's 22 and still living at home) he has turned into the alpha male of the family (I have 2 daughters also living at home).

Last night he and his girlfriend were having a night in, and we had a nice evening watching tv. When he went up to bed, he discovered that one of our dogs had shat on his bed (I'd like to add that this is an unusual thing to have happened and the dogs are house trained). He absolutely exploded, swearing, threatening to 'kick the fucking dog' and generally being aggressive. His gf and I laughed it off, told him not to leave his bedroom door open and between us we changed the bedding. DS continued to shout and rant about chucking the dog down the stairs at which point I told him to stop over-reacting. He began to shout at me to get out of his fucking bedroom. I asked him to not swear and shout at me please, to which he replied fuck off fuck off fuck off repeatedly. I began to back off but decided to alpha him and so stepped into his personal space and said clearly 'please do not speak to your mother like that' he said 'well I just did so fuck off' and pushed me out of his room.

At this point (sorry this is quite long) my younger daughter (19) came into his room and shouted 'do not push her or shout at her like that, she's your mother'. She went to push him back and he grabbed her in a headlock and threw her on the bed holding her in a headlock. I was shouting at him to get off her, but DD said bravely, 'its ok mum, i'm not scared of him'. DD got up and pushed his chest, and he responded by putting his hands around her neck and pushing her out of the bedroom and then shoved her against the wall with his hands round her neck. I was shouting at him to get off her - her face was going red. He let go and shoved her against the wall again and left the house in his car.

Later I heard his GF speaking to him on the phone and he returned and went to bed. They have gone out for the day now with ExH who I have briefly given details of last night to. He said 'I'll deal with it'.

I just don't know what to do. I am so sorry this post is so long and hope that some people may have some advice. Should just add that ExH from whom I am amicably divorced is still very much present in our lives (we divorced 10 years ago).

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DancingDinosaur · 21/02/2016 13:05

You need to get him out and change the locks.

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suzannecaravaggio · 21/02/2016 13:05

If you don't deal with him then he is rewarded for violence, he learns that it works and he'll do it again
Live by the sword
die by the sword Sad

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bringbacksideburns · 21/02/2016 13:08

Purple. You can do this . Please don't allow the men in your life to bully you any longer. It's time to put your daughters first. Your son's complete lack of concern or contrition this morning is very worrying. He clearly sees nothing wrong in the way he acted.
I wish you luck and strength but you need to pack his stuff and you need to text the ex and say you cannot have him living under your roof any longer and they need to pick up his stuff. Put it outside and lock the door.
And most of all - this needs to be logged by the police in case geodes it again.

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SueLawleyandNicholasWitchell · 21/02/2016 13:09

You must must must be able to see that he cannot remain in your home.

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Hissy · 21/02/2016 13:10

When your dd escapes, there will be fewer victims... What's stopping him throttling you?

You have to get him out, you have to talk to the girlfriend and perhaps her parents. This is far too serious an issue to minimise away.

We know this is scary, but because of the acceptance and normalisation of your exh behaviour, your da has grown up and learned from his father.

This is why I say over and over that an abusive parent needs as little access to children as possible.

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NewStartNow · 21/02/2016 13:13

Please see this. In my experience it's scarily predictive.

abusive son - quite long but desperately need advice
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Floggingmolly · 21/02/2016 13:32

You are also completely deluded about the impact of what he did, op Hmm. They're terrified of him, and you'll let him escape the consequences of physically attaching them "to try to stop the widening gap between the siblings"...
What relationship do you think there'll be left to salvage if they watch you do that??

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suzannecaravaggio · 21/02/2016 13:36

He's getting ego gratification from the fact that people are scared of him
Next he will want other men to be scared of him
Authority figures etc etc

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hollyisalovelyname · 21/02/2016 13:53

Purple I do not want you or your daughters to be front page news because of a violent son/ brother.
Please get help.
You ARE strong and you have raised a lovely girl who put herself in danger for her beloved Mum.

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Dontdrinkandfacebook · 21/02/2016 14:01

If your ex thinks you are totally wrong to involve the police then give him the chance to stop it in its tracks by taking DS out of your home and into his until DS can be self supporting.

Tell him that can be DS's chance to redeem himself, by moving away from you and in with his dad. Otherwise no deal.

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Theydontknowweknowtheyknow · 21/02/2016 14:09

OP, please do not take notice of your ExH's attitude. He is your Ex for a reason.

You have a small but significant window of opportunity to do the right thing by your DD. She has 6 months left with you before she goes to university. Make those 6 months peaceful and happy.

When you were being attacked by your son she stepped in to protect you. Now you need to do the same for her.

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NickiFury · 21/02/2016 14:24

At that age he'd be out the f*cking door! I am fuming reading that. Angry

I don't want to repeat what others have already said but get him gone. He wouldn't come back in my home again until I had seen concert evidence of awareness of how wrong he was.

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NickiFury · 21/02/2016 14:25

Concrete

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tealoveryum · 21/02/2016 14:33

Calling the Police is the right thing OP. I wouldn't go to work today though, I'd call in as absent and find an out of hours for your DD. For your son to do that and then tell you to 'do him a favour and drive you both of a cliff'...I wouldn't leave her alone when he could come back.

Your ex s being very unfair. He has made this problem and now your son continues it. They've both made their choices and need to live with the consequences. Your ex should step up as a father and be offering to take your son in to keep him away from you and your DD.

Instead he sits back, does nothing but blame you and just accepts that his ex wife and daughter is being abused.

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TeaOnEverest · 21/02/2016 14:42

Kick him the fuck out. At 22 years old, if he is old enough to violently assault his mother and sisters, he is old enough to stand on his own two feet. What a little shit.

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FantasticButtocks · 21/02/2016 15:32

I have a friend with a son like this, totally out of control. It has been allowed to continue and now he is nearing 40 and has a wife and several dds. He is abusive (verbally) to all of them, including, actually especially to his mother. He hates women, and is surrounded by them. He's a very unhappy man and all the females in his life are frightened of him.

That last comment of his about jumping off a cliff is what is so worrying. Because by that reaction, he clearly thinks how he is behaving is acceptable. He's not in the least bit sorry.

Your ExH says you involving the police is what will ruin everyone's lives. So, he doesn't see that DS's behaviour is ruining everyones lives. That's what needs to be stopped. He is not going to be any help in this situation, he thinks he has the right to tell you what to do, and he doesn't seem too bothered by the fact that his own daughter has been assaulted.

As someone said earlier, it is not up to your ExH to decide how you deal with things in your own home. He certainly isn't going to keep you safe. Your son is 22. So he can go off and find his own home. Because behaviour like that is no longer acceptable in yours. Sorry OP, but he has to go. Sad

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Aspergallus · 21/02/2016 16:03

Police.

Seriously. You could live to enormously regret it if you don't.

I don't say that lightly, I have 2 sons myself.

But, police now means probably a caution, a rude awakening, if he's lucky some anger management through the criminal justice system. Maybe he'll get charged.

If you don't take this opportunity what if it's murder of a girlfriend, or serious DV...the first time he's properly punished it could be a heavy duty custodial sentence. Not to mention someone else suffering badly.

I have a friend who was head butted by her boyfriend, an angry impulsive type like this. She nearly choked to death on the blood and her own vomit (in reaction to the head injury). She was lucky to survive. One impulsive head butt by a pathetic excuse of a man. He walked out, still in a rage. She managed to dial 999 as she choked, and survived after a stint in ITU. The incident is being treated as attempted murder because of the injury and the fact he left her to it, didn't get help. One angry head butt and then out the door. Do you think your son could be shaping up to be capable of such a thing? He needs sorting out and realising the consequences of his actions is the best way to do it.

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elfies · 21/02/2016 16:04

so scary, please go to the Police NOW, and get those locks changed

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MoominPie22 · 21/02/2016 16:05

He´s bullying you and your daughters like your husband bullied you. God only knows wot his girlfriend sees in him!

Next time he turns on his sis it could be a lot worse. She could pass out or incur brain damage from lack of oxygen. And the disgusting way he sees fit to speak to you....! Angry He has zero respect for any of you.

It´s assault just the same as it would be if it happened to strangers. This isn´t just siblings squabbling anymore. He thinks he can treat you women with contempt and disdain. He´s carrying on like he doesn´t even like you!

It´d be still unacceptable if he apologised but it´s very worrying that he doesn´t even seem to see anything wrong with his behaviour, so no reason to say sorry! Shock This is utterly shocking. It will only escalate.

I would tell your ex to butt out, he wasn´t there to witness this assault and doesn´t live with his shit son! Your daughter should´ve gone to the police there and then.

This is domestic violence, he´s broken the law and is a threat to the welfare of you all. The safety of you all is compromised as long as he resides with you.

The welfare of your daughters should be your priority here. Please deal with him like the criminal that he is. There is something faulty within him that you cannot fix. Please don´t make the mistake of being a victim and suffering further abuse cos you think you can change him. Your daughters deserve a strong, decisive mother who will protect them and act in their best interests. Letting him stay and get away with murder is not acting in their best interests. You have a duty of care and it is not to him.

He´s dangerous because he thinks itś acceptable to demean and physically attack women. Contact police and get rid of him. He is not a small child/teenager anymore, where bad behaviour can be excused. He must be held accountable like the adult he is.

He chose to attack your daughter and he chose to say those nasty things to you. So please be strong now, for the sake of your young daughters, do the right thing.

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Keeptrudging · 21/02/2016 16:40

I could understand your reticence if he was much younger, but he is 22. He's got a car and a father who could put him up until he sorts out somewhere else to stay. He won't be out on the streets. Wishing you strength to make the decision that you and your daughter deserve better than to have to live like this Flowers.

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WitchWay · 21/02/2016 17:54

God he sounds awful! Totally unacceptable behaviour, very dangerous also very cold & hateful - the driving off the cliff thing Sad

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choceclair123 · 21/02/2016 18:03

So scary! He so easily could have killed your DD. It's your job as a mother to teach your children right from wrong and the consequences of their actions. Even if that means calling the police. He's 22 fgs, he's a very dangerous person. Your poor DD having to live like this.

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Theneedygonzales · 21/02/2016 18:04

Hi Op, I'm not sure if anyone has said this but phoning the police is the best thing to do for both of them. Your daughter desperately needs you to show her what happened was not acceptable and your son needs help to acknowledge his anger problem. The sooner he does, he can learn how to control himself. If he doesn't do this he could go on to abuse his partners and even his future children. It's really in his best interests to learn a hard lesson right now. Big hugs, I can't imagine how you're feeling.

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Branleuse · 21/02/2016 18:25

He tried to kill your daughter. She could have died or been brain damaged. I really hope you take this very seriously. He sounds damaged, and I know its hard because you love your son, but that doesnt mean he is safe to be around and your daughter needs you. She has been violently assaulted.

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goddessofsmallthings · 21/02/2016 18:41

This morning I braved the kitchen with him and said "your behaviour last night was totally unacceptable. I expect an apology at the very least and we will speak about this later" to which he replied "Can you do me a massive favour? Could you and DD please drive off a cliff?"

Your ds abuses women as well as animals and clearly has no respect for you whatsoever. Talking to this fully grown 22yo old man will do nothing to change his behaviour and I'm curious to know how is your ex going to 'deal with it', and why you didn't deal with it last night by calling the police and having your ds removed from your home?

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