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abusive son - quite long but desperately need advice

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purplenights · 21/02/2016 08:59

My son (22) has always had an aggressive side and tbh I generally feel I have to walk on eggshells with him as he can be unpredictable. Historically he can get angry at inconsequential things and now he is an adult (he's 22 and still living at home) he has turned into the alpha male of the family (I have 2 daughters also living at home).

Last night he and his girlfriend were having a night in, and we had a nice evening watching tv. When he went up to bed, he discovered that one of our dogs had shat on his bed (I'd like to add that this is an unusual thing to have happened and the dogs are house trained). He absolutely exploded, swearing, threatening to 'kick the fucking dog' and generally being aggressive. His gf and I laughed it off, told him not to leave his bedroom door open and between us we changed the bedding. DS continued to shout and rant about chucking the dog down the stairs at which point I told him to stop over-reacting. He began to shout at me to get out of his fucking bedroom. I asked him to not swear and shout at me please, to which he replied fuck off fuck off fuck off repeatedly. I began to back off but decided to alpha him and so stepped into his personal space and said clearly 'please do not speak to your mother like that' he said 'well I just did so fuck off' and pushed me out of his room.

At this point (sorry this is quite long) my younger daughter (19) came into his room and shouted 'do not push her or shout at her like that, she's your mother'. She went to push him back and he grabbed her in a headlock and threw her on the bed holding her in a headlock. I was shouting at him to get off her, but DD said bravely, 'its ok mum, i'm not scared of him'. DD got up and pushed his chest, and he responded by putting his hands around her neck and pushing her out of the bedroom and then shoved her against the wall with his hands round her neck. I was shouting at him to get off her - her face was going red. He let go and shoved her against the wall again and left the house in his car.

Later I heard his GF speaking to him on the phone and he returned and went to bed. They have gone out for the day now with ExH who I have briefly given details of last night to. He said 'I'll deal with it'.

I just don't know what to do. I am so sorry this post is so long and hope that some people may have some advice. Should just add that ExH from whom I am amicably divorced is still very much present in our lives (we divorced 10 years ago).

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Rebecca2014 · 27/02/2016 13:05

I am so pleased you have taken people advice op, so many times people ignore what the posters have to say. You have done a wonderful thing for your son and your daughter.

You and your son will have a much better relationship in the future, based on respect and I hope your son counselling goes well.

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KeyboardMum · 27/02/2016 12:18

Holy cow, chuck that head-case out. He's clearly frustrated in the family home and needs his own space on top of whatever else is going on in there. He also needs a course of anger management, and to learn to deal with his temper in a productive way - otherwise you might find him doing time in the not-too-distant future.

I'd also keep an eye on his relationship with his bird, because if he's happy to lay hands on his sister like that at the drop of a hat then it wont be long before his missus is sporting a black eye.

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MyMoneyIsAllSpent · 27/02/2016 10:54

Just skimmed through this but have read your posts OP. To be honest I avoided it when I first saw it because it brought back too many bad memories. My Ex was very abusive to me, not physically but every other way and my son grew up thinking it was acceptable behaviour.

My Ex never tried to stop son having a go at his sibling, it was always left to me which made matters worse. One occasion was so bad I did actually call the police.

Thankfully, son curbs his behaviour now and has lived in his own place since I divorced. I just want to add that, hard as it is, I do think you did the right thing in involving the police. Flowers

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hollyisalovelyname · 27/02/2016 09:30

OP hope things are ok for you

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ArgyMargy · 24/02/2016 07:56

Wow. Congratulations OP. I hope things improve for all of you. Thanks

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hellsbellsmelons · 23/02/2016 10:10

Well done OP.
You are doing everything right.
Keep going and hopefully your DS can sort himself out with the help he needs.

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Branleuse · 23/02/2016 08:07

she already said she did

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Fugghetaboutit · 23/02/2016 07:39

Did you go to the police, op

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NewStartNow · 23/02/2016 06:56

The chart is from a website mynew directions.org and is the 'escalation of abuse lethality scale' listed on the right of the page ( can't seem to post a link on my phone).

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MoominPie22 · 23/02/2016 06:16

When you say the complaint has been logged, do you mean with the police? I hope your daughter pressed charges just as she would if a stranger did that to her in a bar/the street. Family members don´t get a special pass so that they are above the law.

I would still wanna change the locks. What if he has a drink and comes round when you´re in or out, looking for revenge?

Well best wishes with everything and you´re right, it´ll be a long road ahead and he has to admit he´s got a problem not just toddle off to a few counselling sessions cos he´s been told to, to keep others happy. I find it hard to believe he´s had a change of heart in just a day or 2! I thought the norm was to admit you´ve a problem and then go to the appropriate type of counselling.

Flowers

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hollyisalovelyname · 22/02/2016 23:57
Thanks
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suzannecaravaggio · 22/02/2016 22:50

he feeds off power and dominance and each time he does this it makes him stronger and more aggressive

I really hope that your son is able to change his behavior, he's young so it may well be possible.
I'm not too well up on these things but I suspect that for many men, once stimulated and fed the appetite for power and dominance never goes away.

Finding a new victim is the path of least resistance for them and would be strongly preferred over changing their ways?

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Fugghetaboutit · 22/02/2016 22:42

Glad he's getting help. I'm surprised his GF hasn't run a mile after his behaviour tbh if I was her I'd be worried I would be next.

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Yseulte · 22/02/2016 22:11

Respect telephone number is 0808 802 4040

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Choughed · 22/02/2016 22:03

Thanks well done and all the best for your family.

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Yseulte · 22/02/2016 21:44

I'm glad to hear that he's gone to his counselling. But unless it's a DV perpetrator programme I'm not sure it will make much difference.

Ordinary counselling is very dependent on patient disclosure.

Respect.uk.net run DV perpetrator programmes specifically for young people under 25 who use violence in personal relationships.

This is the kind of counselling he needs to have any hope of admitting patterns let alone changing them.

They would be good to get in touch with yourself OP as they can give you advice and support.

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flippinada · 22/02/2016 21:25

*mend = maybe

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flippinada · 22/02/2016 21:25

That is good news purple. Girlfriends mend isn't the best place for him (I note his Dad hasn't stepped up...surprise surprise). I'm genuinely in awe of the way you have handled this - Flowers for you and your DDs.

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FrancesNiadova · 22/02/2016 20:54

I found the domestic abuse chart really useful too. Please could anyone tell me where it's from?

Best wishes for the future Purple Flowers

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purplenights · 22/02/2016 20:50

Hi everyone and thank you for your kind messages. DD has been checked out and she is ok although there are marks on her arm and neck. DS has commenced his counselling course that had previously been arranged and which he had agreed to attend which shows that he is at least willing to accept his behaviour and want to make changes. He went for his first session this evening. As I said yesterday, I asked him to leave and he is staying away at his GF's house and seems to have no intention of coming back judging by the items he has taken with him. I have made it abundantly clear that the complaint has been logged and that although I wish to take no further action at present I will have no hesitation in doing so if he threatens us again. I have communicated with the counsellor in confidence suggesting CBT. I also spoke to a very helpful lady on the Domestic Abuse helpline who put a few things into perspective. She too has suggested the freedom programme for me and DD which I think will help us understand that he feeds off power and dominance and each time he does this it makes him stronger and more aggressive. I'm glad that he is helping himself by commencing the counselling programme but acknowledge that there is a long long way to go, which will start with an apology first and foremost and ultimately that the apology (which may never come) has got to be sincere and well intended. Thank you all again for your kindness and thank you to the poster who shared the domestic abuse chart which was really insightful. I hardly slept last night and it's been a long day so will sign off now. Brew Chocolate

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ncpg53 · 22/02/2016 19:46

I'm so pleased that you took action OP.

How are you and your DD'S feeling today? I believe 100% you have done the right thing for all concerned including your son.

Perhaps if my mother had taken action I'd have a relationship with her now and my brother might have been given a wake up call.

It's a sorry situation but none of this is your fault. The post previous saying you shouldn't have gotten in his space is a joke. Does that mean he's allowed to act and do as he pleases without consequences just because it's his room? No it doesn't regardless of what took place him hitting someone especially to the point of throttling is abuse and he needs help before he does serious harm to someone.

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HermioneJeanGranger · 22/02/2016 17:28

Well done, OP. I'm really glad you got your son to leave.

I hope things are okay with DD at the GP and with the police today. Take care of yourselves and take all the help the police offer. They're on your side Flowers

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wannabestressfree · 22/02/2016 17:05

He has to want help though and recognise he has an issue which he doesn't.

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Fugghetaboutit · 22/02/2016 16:18

Fair enough. But I had already stated he needed to leave and police be called so didn't need to repeat it. I was just elaborating on your reply about counselling. I would help him access anger management or CBT if he were my son. I would not leave him for abusive ex to deal with.

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goodnightdarthvader1 · 22/02/2016 14:59

fugg

If my ds was like that I would want to at least try and help him change so hell have a chance of changing for the better. Hence why I suggested he has individual counselling or CBT to change his response/help his temper and sounds like the freedom project would help him too.
Isn't it better to try and change abusive young men so less women are abused surely?


THAT is the post I responded to, which just talks about counselling and not about kicking him out. So in that post, no, you didn't mention it.

"Pat him on the head" was referring to OP mollycoddling him for his behaviour while waiting for counselling, not making you out to be a DV apologist.

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