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abusive son - quite long but desperately need advice

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purplenights · 21/02/2016 08:59

My son (22) has always had an aggressive side and tbh I generally feel I have to walk on eggshells with him as he can be unpredictable. Historically he can get angry at inconsequential things and now he is an adult (he's 22 and still living at home) he has turned into the alpha male of the family (I have 2 daughters also living at home).

Last night he and his girlfriend were having a night in, and we had a nice evening watching tv. When he went up to bed, he discovered that one of our dogs had shat on his bed (I'd like to add that this is an unusual thing to have happened and the dogs are house trained). He absolutely exploded, swearing, threatening to 'kick the fucking dog' and generally being aggressive. His gf and I laughed it off, told him not to leave his bedroom door open and between us we changed the bedding. DS continued to shout and rant about chucking the dog down the stairs at which point I told him to stop over-reacting. He began to shout at me to get out of his fucking bedroom. I asked him to not swear and shout at me please, to which he replied fuck off fuck off fuck off repeatedly. I began to back off but decided to alpha him and so stepped into his personal space and said clearly 'please do not speak to your mother like that' he said 'well I just did so fuck off' and pushed me out of his room.

At this point (sorry this is quite long) my younger daughter (19) came into his room and shouted 'do not push her or shout at her like that, she's your mother'. She went to push him back and he grabbed her in a headlock and threw her on the bed holding her in a headlock. I was shouting at him to get off her, but DD said bravely, 'its ok mum, i'm not scared of him'. DD got up and pushed his chest, and he responded by putting his hands around her neck and pushing her out of the bedroom and then shoved her against the wall with his hands round her neck. I was shouting at him to get off her - her face was going red. He let go and shoved her against the wall again and left the house in his car.

Later I heard his GF speaking to him on the phone and he returned and went to bed. They have gone out for the day now with ExH who I have briefly given details of last night to. He said 'I'll deal with it'.

I just don't know what to do. I am so sorry this post is so long and hope that some people may have some advice. Should just add that ExH from whom I am amicably divorced is still very much present in our lives (we divorced 10 years ago).

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pillowaddict · 21/02/2016 10:10

You're also not helping him by minimising this behaviour. He needs to experience consequences to make him reflect.

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flippinada · 21/02/2016 10:10

Anna that's not fair - this has just happened and OP is still processing it all. She must be in shock.

purple given your update about your XH. he's the last person who should be sorting this out. How do you know he won't collude with your son and agree that you all deserved it for winding him? You say you're still friendly with him but what on earth for? It sounds like he was abusive.

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Donthate · 21/02/2016 10:10

Get your locks changed and put his stuff in a bag outside. Be ready to call the police if he kicks up a stink when he gets back. Why can't he go and live with your exh?

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flippinada · 21/02/2016 10:10

*winding him up.

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Annarose2014 · 21/02/2016 10:13

We'll see flippinada. I just have a feeling it won't happen. Gives me no joy, believe me. The poor brave daughter. Hope she gets out soon.

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AuntMabel · 21/02/2016 10:15

Get him out, today. Strangulating his sister is far beyond bullying. He is 22, he will survive. If you let him stay and he does it again - which he will - next time one of you might not.

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purplenights · 21/02/2016 10:15

I have just phoned my ExH and told him I am going to log the incident with the police. He went apeshit at me, telling me to go ahead and fuck everyone's life up, that I'm opening a pandora's box and to think about what I'm doing. He then hung up.

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flippinada · 21/02/2016 10:16

I have a feeling that this young man has had his behaviour enabled and minimised for a long time. He'll have seen his father using intimidation and abuse to get his own way and received the message that this is an acceptable way to behave because its been tolerated within the family.

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winkywinkola · 21/02/2016 10:16

Because your ADULT son isn't already fucking up everyone's life already?

By calling the police you're putting a stop to it.

You have to ignore your ex h. He's being a twat.

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hollyisalovelyname · 21/02/2016 10:17

OP please do something.
Your poor daughter.
She was standing up for you.
You are both in danger.
Tell the police. Get your daughter checked by a doctor. Change the locks and leave his stuff outside the hall door. Make sure you have a way of contacting the police when he kicks off as he will obviously do when he sees you standing up to him. He's a bully and your lives are in danger.
Take care.

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DoreenLethal · 21/02/2016 10:18

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Why isn't he living with his dad - he should be nowhere near you and your daughters. And call the police - it is assault.

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flippinada · 21/02/2016 10:20

Cross post there. So what if your XH goes mad? You don't need his permission. Reporting this is the right thing to do.

It probably wasn't a good idea to involve him in the first place as he will no doubt warn your son but it's done now.

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BastardGoDarkly · 21/02/2016 10:20

Op, I would be very very careful now he knows you're calling the police.

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Shakey15000 · 21/02/2016 10:21

Call the police, pack his things, leave them outside and change the locks. It's time strong action was taken where you protect yourself and the rest of your family.

He's an adult, not a child who doesn't know right from wrong.

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tilliebob · 21/02/2016 10:21

Oh OP, I'd have called the police. What a way to live. What messages are your DD's getting about how they should be treated and how relationships work? You need to put them first. My DH was married to me at 22, your DS is a grown man child and needs to learn to curb his temper and learn some respect. How does he treat his girlfriend? I'm not impressing with your ExH's response either. Do what you think is right.

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winkywinkola · 21/02/2016 10:22

Your son sounds like an utter shit. Sorry but he's a grown man and he's behaving like this AND lives in your house? He told you to drive over a cliff?

Seriously tell him his behaviour is that of a scumbag abuser and you will not put up with it, that you've called the police and that he has to leave.

It's the only chance you have of improving things with your dd and possibly your son. He may develop some respect for you if he sees you mean business.

Your ex h is unpleasant man too?

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hollyisalovelyname · 21/02/2016 10:22

so Flippinada was right... your exH is the last person you should be asking for help from. He too was/is abusive.

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hollyisalovelyname · 21/02/2016 10:24

OP pleae read Flippinada's post at 10.10 today , Sunday, 21st Feb.
Very perceptive of her.

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flippinada · 21/02/2016 10:24

I really can't stress how urgent it is that you call the police NOW, especially now that your son is aware you're going to contact them (his father will tell him) and you know what he's capable of.

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petalsandstars · 21/02/2016 10:26

Call the police - your ex has just told you exactly what he's going to do to sort it

nothing

You need to protect your DD - she could have been killed by your son!

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TheOptimisticPessimist · 21/02/2016 10:27

Your ExH is an abusive idiot and evidently can't be trusted.

Call the police. This morning.

Protect your daughters, even if you aren't will to stop him to protect yourself. They shouldn't be terrified of being in their own home, and your son needs to know this behaviour is not going to be tolerated.

I know it's hard and that's you're still processing what's happened, but you need to act now. Don't rationalise your way out of it or let him scare you out of it. Don't let anyone have the chance to convince you it won't happen again and that he'll try and change.

Call the police, get him removed then pack his bags and make sure he can't get back in.

You came here for advice and it's been pretty unanimous. You need to protect yourself and your family and that won't happen if he is left to attack you again. If your daughter ed you saying she'd been strangled by her partner you'd be telling her to call the police and get him the hell out of her life. This is no different.

Thanks I'm sorry this has happened.

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UmmedAndAhhed · 21/02/2016 10:27

Of course your Ex was going to go apeshit, he has form for control and abuse.

You Ex doesn't live with you or have to experience the behaviour, day in day out. A good father would be more concerned their daughter had been throttled. What about the victim here?!

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purplenights · 21/02/2016 10:29

I have involved ExH as we attended some counselling sessions together initially as I knew he would not go alone. Initial counselling was to try and improve relationships within our dysfunctional family and the intention was to bring in the DDs and DS gradually to try and resolve the widening gap between siblings. ExH lives locally with his fiancee from whom he hides the truth regarding the squabbling siblings. I suspect he isn't offering a bed at his place a) to keep his home a happy place for him and his GF and b) because by removing DS from the family home with me, it is widening the gap between the siblings further and I guess we both hoped that addressing this gap with counselling would improve the situation.

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Skiptonlass · 21/02/2016 10:33

It takes seconds of pressure on the neck in just the right place to kill

You son has seen his father blow his top and get his own way and now he's doing the same.
You're at a crossroads here. You can continue to appease your son and your exh - if you do this, the reaction of your son will be increasing verbal and physical violence. He's done it once and he's gotten away with it. Maybe next time he throttles a bit harder?
Or you can put the safety of your daughters and yourself first. Your son needs to leave the house and you call the police.
You are not helping your son by not calling them. If he gets a sharp shock now he has the possibility of seeing the need to change. If he doesn't, he will escalate and ruin lives (including his own.)

Flowers op,

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fuzzywuzzy · 21/02/2016 10:33

Your ex isn't addressing anything.

He's covering his own back making sure he remains smelling of roses when he is exactly why his son has these issues.

Don't communicate with your ex, go to the police and honestly tell your DD you will protect her & this is not normal.

You son needs a wake up call, before he hurts someone.

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