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Just devastated

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pumpkinmoon1 · 08/02/2016 14:29

I have been with my boyfriend for six months. Minor issues about time spent together and effort (or lack of) seemingly put into the relationship from his side. Major issues being that we wanted different things, I want to get married one day and have a child, he doesn't. Another major issues is him alluding to the fact that he was not over his ex after being apart for over 10 years.

We met and clicked, it was great. He told me that he had 'relationships' in the last 10 years, but kept it casual, was always upfront about lettig them know this and the fact that it wasn't going to go anywhere. I should have ran away then, but I stayed. Why? Because he said I was different and he wanted more. He wanted to be exclusive after 2 weeks or datng and soon after wated to label us as in a proper relationship. He did a good job of making me feel wanted and speicla and 'different'. But time went on and things played on my mind.

At 6 months, I still had not met his family. He neevr really told anyone about me unless they found out of their own accord eg saw us together.

Last weekend was a turning point. We were laying in bed talking on a Sunday morning, and he said that he had to go, he always did this on a Sunday. He said that he had to take a keyboard to his parents for his neice as she was having lessons and wanted to practice. So I was a little dissaponted. Not about the fact that he had to deliver the keyboard, but about the fact that I was just sick and tired of being left alone every Sunday afternoon when we could have been doing things as a couple like most normal people. So he thought that I thought he was making excuses to leave. He asked me if I wanted to go with him. This was a first. I thought that we were actually moving forward. I asked him what he meant and said that I bet his parents didn't even know he had a gf, and he said 'nope', but I could wait in the car. I was gutted. Gutted that after 6 months, I wasn't importaant enough to even be mentioned.

Fast forward to this weekend. Sunday again, we wake up and he says he has to go soon. To pick p a TV with his dad and watched the football and rugby AGAIN. I was calm and said that we need to have a talk about this Sunday afternoon stuff and that it would just be nice to do syuff as a couple on weekends. He mentioned the times he saw me in the week (Tuesday and Thursday evenings for about 4 hours each) and I said I understood that but we can't really do anything in the week as we have work the next day, and weekends are better. He then said that maybe hes just not a good boyfried, and that he isn't relationship material. I told him that he could be if he wanted to be.

He then said that maybe because he has been single so long he is jst stuck in his ways and he's used to doing what he wanted. I really can't remember what was said next but we got to talking about the 'casual' relationships he had in the last 10 years becasue he said that the longest they lasted would be about 3 months. I asked who would end them and he said he would for the most part. I asked why and he said that when he tells me I will probably not want to see him again. What I heard next killed me and I am beginning to shake even as I type this. He said that as he was still living in the past as far as his ex of over 10 years was concerned and always had the hope that they would get back together so when she would contact him out of the blue, he would go meet her and that would be how these relationshps ended. He then went onto say that he should have been more honest with me and that he was still in love with his ex, head over heels in love in fact. So I said that he basically fed me a load of bullshit all these months and despite claiming to 'like' me more than these casuals and that I was different to him, he afforded them more decency as he was up front with them. He said this wasnt the case. I asked if he had been texting her behind my back. He said he hadn't but text her at Christmas and New Year but she didn't reply. I asked him if she was with someone and he said she was. I asked him how he knew but he wouldn't tell me. I asked him if she was married (she's 12 years older than him so 52), he didn't say no, but just repeated she is with someone. SO I think she is married and I think she was when she was with him because he absolutely refuses to talk about it. He said that he wouldn't get into her personal life because she has done nothing wrong, so yes, I definitely think she is married. I asked how they broke up but he wouldn't tell me, he knows my views on people who cheat.

So then he said that I'm sure you have a question in your mind. I asked what he meant by this a little while after. He said I was hoping to avoid that, but went on to say that I probably have the question that if she were to text him now while he's still in a relationship with me, would he go meet her, and then he said he would. As if heaving that he was still head over heels in love with her wasn't enough.

Before he left, he started crying and begged me to let him come back later to talk. I couldn't even answer him but hugged him when I could see the tears dripping from his face. He said that he didn't want to lose me but said he knows how stupid that must sound to me. He text me a little later and came back. I couldn't even speak or look at him. He brought cans of alcohol with him which he sometiems does as we usually have a can or two in front of the TV. He asked if I wanted one and I said I didn't, but said he could have one if he wanted, so he did. Then he sat on the sofa next to me put his hand on my leg in an affectionate way and proceeded to make small talk about what was on TV as IF NOTHING HAD HAPPENED?

We didn't talk. I was so so upset and we just hugged for hours and cried. He said that I was so beautiful and could have any man I wanted but I ended up with a fucking idiot like him. He said he was so so sorry and that he was a massive dick for all of this and that it is all his fault. I cried that much and got so worked up I made myself sick. We eneded up falling asleep. I was exhausted from crying all day and not being able to eat anything.

We woke up and he had to leave as he had work the next morning. He usually comes over on a Tuesday and before he left he was hugging me and asked to come over Tuesday but he would understand if I didn't want to see him. I couldn't answer. Eventually I said that it's not like I don't want to see him, then he finsihed the sentence and said, but you think might be best not to and I agreed. He told me to think about it and to let him know. He hugged me again by the door before leaving and said that I mean so much to him. It did not help to hear such things, it just hurt more. When he got home he text me as he usually does and said that he was back home,and that he hopes I sleep well an that he wished he could be with me and cuddle me in his arms all night. I replied and told him that I hoped he sleeps well. He then text me this morning saying, 'Morning beautiful girl. Hope you slept well and that you're feeling ok today. I'm still feeling a bit tired and could do with going back to bed'. I haven't answered. I don't know how to respond to that. How a I meant to feel ok today? I have had barely any sleep. I haven't eaten. I am still in my pajamas, I had to take the day off work because I just couldn't face it. How does he expect me to feel ok? Does he not remember what he said to me yesterday? I know he doesn't want this to be over, but how could he think I could possibly stay with him? How could I let him come here Tuesday (like usual) and just be able to carry on? I'll be perfectly honest, I don't want it over either but I really have no choice. Even if he cheated on me, they may somehow be a way around that, but there is no way around the fact that he is still in love with his ex, and after 10 years+ that is never going to change. How can someone still be in love with someone when they broke up that long ago? nd wich someone they haven't seen for over two years.

I don't know how to proceed. I am a total mess.

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var123 · 10/02/2016 21:21

You wouldn't be 2nd best to her. That would NOT be your problem.

Your problem, if you were to get back with him, would be that you'd be stuck with a man-child who demonstrates some sociopathic tendencies.

Joysmum · 10/02/2016 21:23

The text from him gives you your out.

There's no chance you will be meeting him tomorrow and you don't want to see him any time ever. Goodbye.

var123 · 10/02/2016 21:24

I mean you don't bother answering at all. Telling someone about what you ate today is boring and you aren't boring, so you won't be doing it. Ditto you aren't a nervous wreck who needs to have her sleep checked up on. And of course you are back at work - what a stupid question!

So, just ignore him. If he keeps asking, reply to say. Sorry. been busy and didn't notice your message(s). Yes all fine. But i can see you are upset. It might help you get over it if you think about something else and stop texting me so much though.

Livingforlove · 10/02/2016 21:29

It sounds as if he wants you to be sitting around pining for him. Why is he asking if you have eaten? Don't give him the satisfaction of thinking you are 'devastated.'

Btw the tattoo thing is weird.

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 21:37

Sorry, I meant I told him I hadn't been up to much, not that I haven't eaten :) I actually cooked something to eat today.

Do you mean the tattoo with his and her name or the poem which is something to do with an illicit affair. VILE!

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ThatsNotMyRabbit · 10/02/2016 22:11

Id text "Of course I've eaten. No, we won't be seeing each other again. You've made your position quite clear so there's no point. Please stop texting me."

tipsytrifle · 10/02/2016 22:17

Have you actually ended this relationship yet? If so he's pestering, reeling you back in and planning to be with you tomorrow night. If you haven't, then nothing's actually changed yet. What are your thoughts on what to do, pumpkin?

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 22:21

I haven't actually said it is over yet. After what he told me and me not seeing him I would have thought it would be obvious to him, but obviously not. It just goes to show what a sap he thinks I am. In an odd way, this ridiculousness is helping me see him in a different light. And as silly as it may sound I want to do it after the weekend, because I really want to see if he would go as far as to have the gall to ask me if I want to do anything for Valentines day. I know, smack me in the head lol It's also helping me detach if this makes any sense and letting me get used to the idea of it being over before I actually tell him I have pulled the plug.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 22:22

Maybe he does know/think it is over but is asking to see me anyway? Maybe he doesn't think there was even anything to finish in the first place.

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ThatsNotMyRabbit · 10/02/2016 22:25

Sadly I think you're kidding yourself if you think it's over yet. He's going to reel you back in. Otherwise you'd have dumped properly and blocked by now.

tipsytrifle · 10/02/2016 22:29

First job is to decide if it is over. Then make it so. Then you can tell him to vanish from your life and phone. Until something in this situation has been actively changed - by YOU - everything else is just running on the spot. You can't leave him to assume it's over, surely, if you haven't actually said the words?

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 22:29

Noooo it's defintiely over. Honestly! If I thought it was salvageable I would see him tomorrow. I don't plan to even allow him into my house again. It's a pretty small city where I live and he goes out a lot, will probably be out even more now, I am not going to go out for quite some time so i don't even have to see him.

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var123 · 10/02/2016 22:30

Usually someone has to explicitly say it (that its over) for both sides to have no doubt.
I'd thought you had told him that you weren't interested immediately after he told you about how he'd never commit. The fact that you didn't sort of explains his pestering messages. What difference if he sends you some flowers? They'd mean nothing anyway.

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 22:31

I meant, considering what he said to me about her, how could anyone in their right mind expect someoen to crry on with the relationship after being told that. If I said that to anyone, I would absolutely think it would be over.

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var123 · 10/02/2016 22:32

Have you ever broken up with someone before when its been your decision? If not, i can tell you it might be awkward for 5 mins but it is a damn sight easier than being dumped. Dump him before he dumps you!

tipsytrifle · 10/02/2016 22:33

If that is how it is then you really have to tell him that it's over. No detailed essays required, just a simple "this is over, stop texting" will do. Crystal clarity.

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 22:34

I will be saying that. Part of me doesn't have the courage yet. I want to get tomorrow and Friday out of the way at work because I know I am going to find it difficult, then I will tell him. I know the flowers will mean nothing and if he asked to do something it will be a no, I just want to know the level of fuckupness that he is.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 22:35

They have all ended through cheating, on their part not mine. I guess that's why my views on cheating are so 'black and white'.

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var123 · 10/02/2016 22:41

but why do you want to know the level?

He's history, he is a small part of your past, not your present and he'd only do harm if he were in you future.

You shouldn't be interested in finding out who he really is, never mind putting any mental energy into setting tests for him. That's what you do when in a relationship, when trying to work out if you want to keep trying to build a future, or even just enjoy a present with him.

Just move on and leave him to work out how he's going to sustain playing the child when everyone else has grown up.

tipsytrifle · 10/02/2016 22:41

But he's going to turn up at yours tomorrow, isn't he? If you haven't said "no" he's going to assume "yes". You're knitting spaghetti, here, pumpkin and it really is kind of cowardly. As a pp said, it will be a few seconds of awkwardness to text him. No need to read any responses if you make it clear it's over. Switch phone off or block his number. Spend next two days getting over the ouch of dumping him.

You only need to know your own mind. You've no business obsessing over his.

var123 · 10/02/2016 22:42

My views on cheating are back and white too. But he hasn't cheated on you, has he? he just proved to be a dud as a prospective husband and father.

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 22:53

Gah I know you're both right! He hasn't 'cheated' but I guess in some small way emotionally he has, and he text her without my knowing. I said that as he defended cheating before. So I guess someone who isn't dead against it could quite easily do it too.

He won't turn up at mine tomorrow. I have ignored his last text, if he asks again I will tell him no. He wouldn't just turn up. Hopefully I will feel stronger tomorrow after I have been to work.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 22:58

He just sent another text after I didn't reply, saying, 'not long got back from practise. Thinking about you loads and hope you're ok x goodnight little one' x

Right - I'm gonna ask a stupid question, do you think that he's thinking he may have made a mistake? I am still 100% on not going back, I never would but just curious?

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var123 · 10/02/2016 23:06

He calls you "little one" and the first thought that springs to your mind is "Is he having regrets?"!

In short, yes, he probably is, or at least he will when the penny drops that he'll need to find a new Tuesday and Thursday girl. But is he regretting the pain you've felt? Or thinking that maybe he's lost the best thing that ever happened to him? No.

var123 · 10/02/2016 23:10

I am really not a feminist but you can't let yourself be belittled like that. You could write back: "little one? LITTLE ONE??! Are you texting me or your p*s?"