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Just devastated

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pumpkinmoon1 · 08/02/2016 14:29

I have been with my boyfriend for six months. Minor issues about time spent together and effort (or lack of) seemingly put into the relationship from his side. Major issues being that we wanted different things, I want to get married one day and have a child, he doesn't. Another major issues is him alluding to the fact that he was not over his ex after being apart for over 10 years.

We met and clicked, it was great. He told me that he had 'relationships' in the last 10 years, but kept it casual, was always upfront about lettig them know this and the fact that it wasn't going to go anywhere. I should have ran away then, but I stayed. Why? Because he said I was different and he wanted more. He wanted to be exclusive after 2 weeks or datng and soon after wated to label us as in a proper relationship. He did a good job of making me feel wanted and speicla and 'different'. But time went on and things played on my mind.

At 6 months, I still had not met his family. He neevr really told anyone about me unless they found out of their own accord eg saw us together.

Last weekend was a turning point. We were laying in bed talking on a Sunday morning, and he said that he had to go, he always did this on a Sunday. He said that he had to take a keyboard to his parents for his neice as she was having lessons and wanted to practice. So I was a little dissaponted. Not about the fact that he had to deliver the keyboard, but about the fact that I was just sick and tired of being left alone every Sunday afternoon when we could have been doing things as a couple like most normal people. So he thought that I thought he was making excuses to leave. He asked me if I wanted to go with him. This was a first. I thought that we were actually moving forward. I asked him what he meant and said that I bet his parents didn't even know he had a gf, and he said 'nope', but I could wait in the car. I was gutted. Gutted that after 6 months, I wasn't importaant enough to even be mentioned.

Fast forward to this weekend. Sunday again, we wake up and he says he has to go soon. To pick p a TV with his dad and watched the football and rugby AGAIN. I was calm and said that we need to have a talk about this Sunday afternoon stuff and that it would just be nice to do syuff as a couple on weekends. He mentioned the times he saw me in the week (Tuesday and Thursday evenings for about 4 hours each) and I said I understood that but we can't really do anything in the week as we have work the next day, and weekends are better. He then said that maybe hes just not a good boyfried, and that he isn't relationship material. I told him that he could be if he wanted to be.

He then said that maybe because he has been single so long he is jst stuck in his ways and he's used to doing what he wanted. I really can't remember what was said next but we got to talking about the 'casual' relationships he had in the last 10 years becasue he said that the longest they lasted would be about 3 months. I asked who would end them and he said he would for the most part. I asked why and he said that when he tells me I will probably not want to see him again. What I heard next killed me and I am beginning to shake even as I type this. He said that as he was still living in the past as far as his ex of over 10 years was concerned and always had the hope that they would get back together so when she would contact him out of the blue, he would go meet her and that would be how these relationshps ended. He then went onto say that he should have been more honest with me and that he was still in love with his ex, head over heels in love in fact. So I said that he basically fed me a load of bullshit all these months and despite claiming to 'like' me more than these casuals and that I was different to him, he afforded them more decency as he was up front with them. He said this wasnt the case. I asked if he had been texting her behind my back. He said he hadn't but text her at Christmas and New Year but she didn't reply. I asked him if she was with someone and he said she was. I asked him how he knew but he wouldn't tell me. I asked him if she was married (she's 12 years older than him so 52), he didn't say no, but just repeated she is with someone. SO I think she is married and I think she was when she was with him because he absolutely refuses to talk about it. He said that he wouldn't get into her personal life because she has done nothing wrong, so yes, I definitely think she is married. I asked how they broke up but he wouldn't tell me, he knows my views on people who cheat.

So then he said that I'm sure you have a question in your mind. I asked what he meant by this a little while after. He said I was hoping to avoid that, but went on to say that I probably have the question that if she were to text him now while he's still in a relationship with me, would he go meet her, and then he said he would. As if heaving that he was still head over heels in love with her wasn't enough.

Before he left, he started crying and begged me to let him come back later to talk. I couldn't even answer him but hugged him when I could see the tears dripping from his face. He said that he didn't want to lose me but said he knows how stupid that must sound to me. He text me a little later and came back. I couldn't even speak or look at him. He brought cans of alcohol with him which he sometiems does as we usually have a can or two in front of the TV. He asked if I wanted one and I said I didn't, but said he could have one if he wanted, so he did. Then he sat on the sofa next to me put his hand on my leg in an affectionate way and proceeded to make small talk about what was on TV as IF NOTHING HAD HAPPENED?

We didn't talk. I was so so upset and we just hugged for hours and cried. He said that I was so beautiful and could have any man I wanted but I ended up with a fucking idiot like him. He said he was so so sorry and that he was a massive dick for all of this and that it is all his fault. I cried that much and got so worked up I made myself sick. We eneded up falling asleep. I was exhausted from crying all day and not being able to eat anything.

We woke up and he had to leave as he had work the next morning. He usually comes over on a Tuesday and before he left he was hugging me and asked to come over Tuesday but he would understand if I didn't want to see him. I couldn't answer. Eventually I said that it's not like I don't want to see him, then he finsihed the sentence and said, but you think might be best not to and I agreed. He told me to think about it and to let him know. He hugged me again by the door before leaving and said that I mean so much to him. It did not help to hear such things, it just hurt more. When he got home he text me as he usually does and said that he was back home,and that he hopes I sleep well an that he wished he could be with me and cuddle me in his arms all night. I replied and told him that I hoped he sleeps well. He then text me this morning saying, 'Morning beautiful girl. Hope you slept well and that you're feeling ok today. I'm still feeling a bit tired and could do with going back to bed'. I haven't answered. I don't know how to respond to that. How a I meant to feel ok today? I have had barely any sleep. I haven't eaten. I am still in my pajamas, I had to take the day off work because I just couldn't face it. How does he expect me to feel ok? Does he not remember what he said to me yesterday? I know he doesn't want this to be over, but how could he think I could possibly stay with him? How could I let him come here Tuesday (like usual) and just be able to carry on? I'll be perfectly honest, I don't want it over either but I really have no choice. Even if he cheated on me, they may somehow be a way around that, but there is no way around the fact that he is still in love with his ex, and after 10 years+ that is never going to change. How can someone still be in love with someone when they broke up that long ago? nd wich someone they haven't seen for over two years.

I don't know how to proceed. I am a total mess.

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var123 · 10/02/2016 14:24

Given all that, why are you devastated? Why aren't you just a little bit relieved to be getting rid?

Presents and doing stuff for the other person comes with the territory of being in a relationship. A reasonable thing to do is to keep your input in the same ballpark as their's.

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 15:47

Part of me is relieved Var. Now I don't have to agonise over when and how to break up with him regarding the marriage and kids thing. I would never have had that with him, and I want those things, so in that way I am relieved. We just got on so well and I will miss him but I am definitely feeling like I am getting stronger. When he text me this morning and I finally replied, I said I was ok. I thought fuck it, I'm not gonna let him know how I am. He just messaged back and said that work has been manic again but at least it helps to take his mind off things (yeah like he gives a fuck). And added that he was just about to tuck into his sarnies and asked me if I have eaten today. TWAT. I haven't but I'm not going to reply. The responses from this site have really given me strength. I know I am not there yet but I will be!

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Quinoa20 · 10/02/2016 15:52

Brilliant pumpkin! Keep staying strong, you can do better than this loser twat!

expatinscotland · 10/02/2016 15:56

'He pays his brother to come and mow his garden. He doesn't own a frying pan or an iron and has in the past admitted to buying paper plates so he doesn't have to wash up.

Every time he has come here for the past 6 months, I have cleaned up after him when he has left. He has never ever offered any help when I have cooked a meal for us. If he finishes a can, he will leave the empty on on the table while going to get another. He was eating a packet of crisps once as we were leaving my house to go out and he just finished them as he reached the front door, not knowing what to do with the empty back, he walked back into my house and put it on the table in the living room!'

Jesus wept! My kids are better than this and again, my son has autism and is only 7.

A twat manchild. What a fucking catch.

I'd rather be a single parent than have a sperm donor like this. At least with an anonymous one, you don't have them hanging round making a mess.

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 15:59

hahaha love the replies. Imagine what it would have been like if we lived together!!! I just got off my arse and mopped the kitchen floor too which has been covered in mud for days from the dog. That made me feel a bit better.

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expatinscotland · 10/02/2016 16:00

Really hope you won't hang around if he starts saying what you want to hear. Just go onto Relationships and look at all the women who procreated with a lazy twat like this.

And yes, it's fucking lazy.

When we married, my H was only 24. He didn't know how to do jack because his mum did everything.

Guess what? Despite have dyspraxia and dyslexia, he was perfectly capable of learning how to look after himself and his children! He said it's not even hard.

This person is useless.

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 16:07

expat - There is no way back. I am 100% clear on this in my mind. How could I when he said to me that if she text him asking for him back, he would drop me and run straight to her? NO WAY IN HELL! Staying with him would be more painful than leaving and going through what I am now. This will pass, staying with him and feeling like shit every day, worried everytime his phone goes off or wondering if shes in contact with him would never pass.

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expatinscotland · 10/02/2016 16:09

So true. And who on Earth would want to procreate with someone like this? He's not even an adult, IYKWIM.

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 16:10

LOL I just re read what you wrote and laughed at 'Lazy twat' :)

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pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 16:16

I'm actually looking forward to writing the text where I tell him this isn't working for me, good luck in your life. I am not sure how I will word it yet. I can't wait to see what he says to it. The stupid twat still obviously thinks this is something that will blow over and I'll stay with him! This alone shows he has absolutely no respect for me whatsoever. A decent person, even if they had done this, would say, look you deserve better than me. I am never going to THAT MAN for anyone other than my ex so I am ending it to give you the chance to find better, or something similar. Not him though.

I have been wondering why he hasn't ended it with me like he ended it with the other casuals, the answer is, his ex hasn't come running. He said that after they ended, he didn't text them, he left them alone, and if they were ever in contact, they were always the ones to make contact, yet he's 'thankful' that I'm still answering his texts. Just beyond a joke.

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handslikecowstits · 10/02/2016 16:24

Hi OP, I posted on the first page. Question: why haven't you blocked his number? Allowing him to text you keeps you in the game, you know that don't you and remaining in contact with him keeps all the questions about him, the other woman, casual flings and all that rolling around in your head. I understand you're hurting but by remaining in contact like this, you're starting to hurt yourself.

Oh and as for the jacket? Send it to his parents. Or tell him to come and get it when you're not in and leave it outside. Give him 24 hours or tell him it goes to the charity shop. Then block him completely.

expatinscotland · 10/02/2016 16:36

I'd post the jacket to his parents or his home address. First class recorded so you don't wind up on Judge Rinder.

'This isn't working for me. I want different things in life from you. So this is over and this is goodbye. -pumpkin.'

The end. No 'best of luck to you' or 'wishing you well for the future'. You don't care about his future, only yours.

Then you block him.

Joysmum · 10/02/2016 17:30

I'd text "take the hint. Goodbye! Your stuff is at XXXXX"

var123 · 10/02/2016 17:46

Are there things at his place that you want back? If yes, then be sensible and arrange a time to do the swap. Don't agree to dinner, or hanging out together, or a little talk about where it all went wrong / how you must be missing him so much. Just give him his stuff, get your stuff and leave.

expatinscotland · 10/02/2016 17:49

Or just kiss the stuff goodbye if you're not strong enough to do face-to-face and post the jacket back. Fuck him off.

var123 · 10/02/2016 17:53

Or send a mutual friend to do it for you. So many options and all of them will suffice - because what to do with a jacket is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

But yes, do go back to work and distract yourself until you eventually forget that you are trying to distract yourself.

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 18:11

Thanks all. I'll figure the jacket thing out. I'll wait til he asks for it and I'll tell him I'll leave it outside for him I think. I might sign my last message to him, yours sincerely, better than a wank

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tipsytrifle · 10/02/2016 18:31

I agree with every word of previous posts suggesting that you get rid of him as bluntly as he destroyed your thoughts that this might be a viable relationship. He prefers his women to be unavailable, it seems - hence he makes you unavailable because he's still in love with ex - who is also unavailable. This makes him a victim, of course! Ha! It also makes him a taker and a user who is happy for you to spend hours trying to achieve the impossible with band photos to his bloody washing.

He needs your devotion like a vampire needs ... well... you get the drift of my annoyance. I'm not even sure this ex exists as such. Maybe he stalks her to play victim to himself too?

Suffice it to say he is not healthy relationship material.

When you feel the truth of everything everyone has said, the truth of what you know already, you'll stop worrying about finding the "right for him" words and just do the necessary action of sending him into orbit with words that are of YOU.

Stripyhoglets · 10/02/2016 18:41

It's definitely not you, it's him. I once had to end a relationship as I knew that as soon as the girlfriend was back in the country to visit (she'd moved abroad which is why they split) he'd be sleeping with her again. So I ended it. I wasn't in love like you are, but once I knew he'd always return to her given the chance I just thought "what's the point?".

amarmai · 10/02/2016 18:55

it's weird that he spills the beans and has tears running down his face because he wants to keep you. It sounds soo melodramatic. Thing is , if he is telling the truth , then he's pretending you are her when he has sex with you. That notion wd do it for me.

wotoodoo · 10/02/2016 19:33

Pumpkin I once had a 'bf' who 'filled the void' when I broke up with the love of my life. He knew the situation as I was totally upfront, and even told him he was not my bf so that he would not get his hopes up, however bad that sounds.

It was true, if the love of my life came back I would have dropped him like a hot potato and he knew that. After 2 or 3 years I did get back together with the love of my life and I also knew that 'bf' found it very hard to move on.

I married the love of my life and 10 years later 'bf' is also married.

If I were you, I would destroy the jacket, block him and hold your head high and view him as a toxin to your health.

Do not waste a minute longer. Look ahead and thank your stars you got a lucky escape from a life with a selfish, self centred manchild.

var123 · 10/02/2016 20:26

It just seems to me that your ex-bf is perversely enjoying what you are going through. Its as though he wants you to be upset, to not eat, maybe to sleep badly, to cry a lot and probably he even gets a little thrill out of knowing you wasted annual leave on this.

Its changed my opinion, from this won't work out for you so just make a friendly no hard feelings exit from his life, to actually willing you to confound his expectations so that he doesn't get the drama he's trying to engineer and he ends up feeling rather small and insignificant.

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 21:10

There is nothing of mine at his place thankfully. Thnks for teling me to get back to work, I am definitely going in tomorrow, the longer I leave that, the worse that will be too. At least I only have two days in work then it's the weekend again. I won't be spending it wondering what the hell to do with myself either now he's gone because I spent most of the weekend on my own anyway while he was either at his mates like a teenage fucking boy or waiting for the football to finish, so he did me a favour there too.

Thanks for all the replies, I have read every word you lovely people have written, it really has helped me immensely these last few days.

amarmai - It is weird. Reading what you wrote about the sex made me feel sick, but I am glad you said it because he has helped me greatly. It's true, if he is so in love with her, how could he not have been thinking about her when doing the deed? Makes me feel like vomitting. The thought of it makes me shudder.

wotoodoo - Your words really helped too and I am glad things worked our for you. The difference with your situation and his is that for your ex, you were the love of his life to, which is why you got back together and got married. I'm guessing it didn't take over 10 years of pining for him to make it happen either. She does not want him. Another difference is that you were up front with your bf from the start. He actively made me believe the opposite. Yes he told me he was living in the past and that the others were all casual but he actually told me in no uncertain terms that things were different with me. It would have been a tragedy if he had not met me and that he wanted a proper relationship. He instigated all of it. If he had told me that he would never want anything serious with me and he still wanted to be with his ex, I would have cut him off right at the start.

Var - It does seem he wants me to be upset. How would I confound his expectations?

He asked me in a text earlier if I had eaten today and if I was going to work this week.

He then text to tell me that he was home from work and that he was going to have something to eat before band practise and asked me if I have been up to much today.

So I said no I hadn't.

Thursday was a day we would usually see eachother...

Then he sent this, 'I don't suppose there is any chance I can see you tomorrow evening? I feel like I have a cheek even asking about seeing you and fully understand if you want your own space for a while and don't wanna see me anytime soon'.

My friend thinks that maybe he is now realising that he has made a mistake. I told me friend that even if he came back promising to be the best boyfriend in the world, agreeing to marriage and kids it would not make any difference because I will not be second best to anyone.

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var123 · 10/02/2016 21:17

well he wants you to be upset and grieving, off your food, not sleeping etc. Torn between having round, swearing at him and tearfully deciding to try managing on your own. Preferably showing evidence of having analysed everything to death: you might ask yourself have you met her? Does she know he is free again? Have you been using those wine glasses she gave him? Was he thinking about her then? What about that time?

^That's what he wants.

So, instead do none of that. Do the opposite. Show you are already over it because it wasn't a big deal anyway. Basically, fake having mentally moved on until you really have moved on.

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 21:20

Do you mean tell him I am back at work and doing fine?

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