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Just devastated

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pumpkinmoon1 · 08/02/2016 14:29

I have been with my boyfriend for six months. Minor issues about time spent together and effort (or lack of) seemingly put into the relationship from his side. Major issues being that we wanted different things, I want to get married one day and have a child, he doesn't. Another major issues is him alluding to the fact that he was not over his ex after being apart for over 10 years.

We met and clicked, it was great. He told me that he had 'relationships' in the last 10 years, but kept it casual, was always upfront about lettig them know this and the fact that it wasn't going to go anywhere. I should have ran away then, but I stayed. Why? Because he said I was different and he wanted more. He wanted to be exclusive after 2 weeks or datng and soon after wated to label us as in a proper relationship. He did a good job of making me feel wanted and speicla and 'different'. But time went on and things played on my mind.

At 6 months, I still had not met his family. He neevr really told anyone about me unless they found out of their own accord eg saw us together.

Last weekend was a turning point. We were laying in bed talking on a Sunday morning, and he said that he had to go, he always did this on a Sunday. He said that he had to take a keyboard to his parents for his neice as she was having lessons and wanted to practice. So I was a little dissaponted. Not about the fact that he had to deliver the keyboard, but about the fact that I was just sick and tired of being left alone every Sunday afternoon when we could have been doing things as a couple like most normal people. So he thought that I thought he was making excuses to leave. He asked me if I wanted to go with him. This was a first. I thought that we were actually moving forward. I asked him what he meant and said that I bet his parents didn't even know he had a gf, and he said 'nope', but I could wait in the car. I was gutted. Gutted that after 6 months, I wasn't importaant enough to even be mentioned.

Fast forward to this weekend. Sunday again, we wake up and he says he has to go soon. To pick p a TV with his dad and watched the football and rugby AGAIN. I was calm and said that we need to have a talk about this Sunday afternoon stuff and that it would just be nice to do syuff as a couple on weekends. He mentioned the times he saw me in the week (Tuesday and Thursday evenings for about 4 hours each) and I said I understood that but we can't really do anything in the week as we have work the next day, and weekends are better. He then said that maybe hes just not a good boyfried, and that he isn't relationship material. I told him that he could be if he wanted to be.

He then said that maybe because he has been single so long he is jst stuck in his ways and he's used to doing what he wanted. I really can't remember what was said next but we got to talking about the 'casual' relationships he had in the last 10 years becasue he said that the longest they lasted would be about 3 months. I asked who would end them and he said he would for the most part. I asked why and he said that when he tells me I will probably not want to see him again. What I heard next killed me and I am beginning to shake even as I type this. He said that as he was still living in the past as far as his ex of over 10 years was concerned and always had the hope that they would get back together so when she would contact him out of the blue, he would go meet her and that would be how these relationshps ended. He then went onto say that he should have been more honest with me and that he was still in love with his ex, head over heels in love in fact. So I said that he basically fed me a load of bullshit all these months and despite claiming to 'like' me more than these casuals and that I was different to him, he afforded them more decency as he was up front with them. He said this wasnt the case. I asked if he had been texting her behind my back. He said he hadn't but text her at Christmas and New Year but she didn't reply. I asked him if she was with someone and he said she was. I asked him how he knew but he wouldn't tell me. I asked him if she was married (she's 12 years older than him so 52), he didn't say no, but just repeated she is with someone. SO I think she is married and I think she was when she was with him because he absolutely refuses to talk about it. He said that he wouldn't get into her personal life because she has done nothing wrong, so yes, I definitely think she is married. I asked how they broke up but he wouldn't tell me, he knows my views on people who cheat.

So then he said that I'm sure you have a question in your mind. I asked what he meant by this a little while after. He said I was hoping to avoid that, but went on to say that I probably have the question that if she were to text him now while he's still in a relationship with me, would he go meet her, and then he said he would. As if heaving that he was still head over heels in love with her wasn't enough.

Before he left, he started crying and begged me to let him come back later to talk. I couldn't even answer him but hugged him when I could see the tears dripping from his face. He said that he didn't want to lose me but said he knows how stupid that must sound to me. He text me a little later and came back. I couldn't even speak or look at him. He brought cans of alcohol with him which he sometiems does as we usually have a can or two in front of the TV. He asked if I wanted one and I said I didn't, but said he could have one if he wanted, so he did. Then he sat on the sofa next to me put his hand on my leg in an affectionate way and proceeded to make small talk about what was on TV as IF NOTHING HAD HAPPENED?

We didn't talk. I was so so upset and we just hugged for hours and cried. He said that I was so beautiful and could have any man I wanted but I ended up with a fucking idiot like him. He said he was so so sorry and that he was a massive dick for all of this and that it is all his fault. I cried that much and got so worked up I made myself sick. We eneded up falling asleep. I was exhausted from crying all day and not being able to eat anything.

We woke up and he had to leave as he had work the next morning. He usually comes over on a Tuesday and before he left he was hugging me and asked to come over Tuesday but he would understand if I didn't want to see him. I couldn't answer. Eventually I said that it's not like I don't want to see him, then he finsihed the sentence and said, but you think might be best not to and I agreed. He told me to think about it and to let him know. He hugged me again by the door before leaving and said that I mean so much to him. It did not help to hear such things, it just hurt more. When he got home he text me as he usually does and said that he was back home,and that he hopes I sleep well an that he wished he could be with me and cuddle me in his arms all night. I replied and told him that I hoped he sleeps well. He then text me this morning saying, 'Morning beautiful girl. Hope you slept well and that you're feeling ok today. I'm still feeling a bit tired and could do with going back to bed'. I haven't answered. I don't know how to respond to that. How a I meant to feel ok today? I have had barely any sleep. I haven't eaten. I am still in my pajamas, I had to take the day off work because I just couldn't face it. How does he expect me to feel ok? Does he not remember what he said to me yesterday? I know he doesn't want this to be over, but how could he think I could possibly stay with him? How could I let him come here Tuesday (like usual) and just be able to carry on? I'll be perfectly honest, I don't want it over either but I really have no choice. Even if he cheated on me, they may somehow be a way around that, but there is no way around the fact that he is still in love with his ex, and after 10 years+ that is never going to change. How can someone still be in love with someone when they broke up that long ago? nd wich someone they haven't seen for over two years.

I don't know how to proceed. I am a total mess.

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tipsytrifle · 10/02/2016 23:11

He's simply carrying on as he has before. With an added dose of patronising condescension. "Little one"??? Pass me the sick bucket. Your lack of response means nothing to him. Why should it? You haven't enlightened him to the over-ness of this situation. Because you don't really want it to be over at all. Maybe he thinks you're doing a good job of competing with his ex and currently have a higher score than her? Assuming any of his tale is true.

So he hasn't made a mistake because everything is as it was and you're still helping to feed the elephant in the room.

tipsytrifle · 10/02/2016 23:13

snorted wine at the screen on reading your last var!!!

TheStoic · 10/02/2016 23:15

Of course he's regretting it. This wasn't part of his plan. You're supposed to be around until the Ex gets in touch. What's he supposed to do in the meantime?

Either tell him it's over OR stop responding to his lame texts. I'd do the latter. Much less drama and no chance of him trying to change your mind.

But that's really what you're hoping for, isn't it. Despite your protestations that's it's so over.

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 23:16

It's something he used to call me I suppose because I'm small. Thanks for the reality check too! No I don't want it to be over but it is, I know it must sound like I'm going to back pedal but I'm not. i'll be ripping that plaster off soon.

And yeah he will have to find a new one. I haven't replied to him anyway. I can't even be bothered at the moment.

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var123 · 10/02/2016 23:17

I've been wondering if the ex of 10 years ago was just a fiction too - or at best a gross exaggeration. Its so close to that old Meatloaf song -2 out of 3 ain't bad - and also an old Cat Stevens one (The First Cut is the Deepest) that I wondered if he had made it up after hearing one of those on the radio or something.

Anyway, OP, this is not your problem. Your only problem is typing out the "Its over. Good luck and good bye." text.

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 23:20

I laughed at the penis bit too :)

Stoic - No I'm not hoping he will try to change my mind. Part of me hopes he will regret it, but I realise he probably won't. I am dead certain that it is over. I do however really want to see if he does mention V day. I'm not even sure why it matters, and I know it shouldn't at all. But if he does mention it that will be the ultimate insult and piss take ever!

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pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 23:23

I definitely don't think he made her up. I think what he said is true, at least in his mind, even though I don't see how it is possible to love someone after such an amount of time, obviously his issues took over and he just went off the deep end about it.

It makes me sick to think that whenever any songs like that came on when he was in my company, he would have been thinking about her.

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ThatsNotMyRabbit · 10/02/2016 23:23

I've no doubt he's kicking himself for opening his big gob. He'll talk his way round you because you came in handy.
But if you mean "Has he realised that this other woman is a fantasy and that I am in fact the love of his life after all?" then no. Of course not.

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 23:24

And he must have thought that I wouldn't end it over this because before he told me he said 'you probably won't want to see me again'. Probably? IT mst be true though as he wouldn't have told me in the first place if he thought it could mess with his nice little arrangement.

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DesignEye · 10/02/2016 23:25

OP, I've read your original post over and over and the thing which stood out to me is the fact he still acts like he's in a relationship.

Other that his bluff about accompanying him to drop a keyboard, this sound like a typical affair set-up.

Sorry if its been said before (I haven't read the full thread) but you clearly sound like you are the OW!

I think all of his explanations are a ploy to see whether you 'love' him enough to accept being a permanent mistress!

Are u able to communicate with him other than on a Tue, Thu and Sat?

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 23:26

I agree thatsnotmyrabit, definitely.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 23:27

DesignEye,

Yeah he was in contact every day. I know that he isn't with her. He said she is with someone, but wouldn't tell me if she was married or not. I would bet my life that she is with all the little clues.

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var123 · 10/02/2016 23:30

You'll meet someone else and have children together. Maybe with a wedding ring, maybe just living together.

He'll very likely have a past, as do you. You'll each hear songs, taste food, visit places, see films etc and be reminded of a different time in your lives before you met, and maybe the person you were each with the first time. Its normal. You can't expect to find someone who has absolutely no life experience before he met you, and if you did, you probably wouldn't be interested anyway as they'd likely be more than a bit weird.
Its good manners not to describe the person you were with last time, and exactly how they made you feel. However, you both will find yourself remembering.

You shouldn't feel insulted or hurt by it. Its normal and the only thing that matters is that he isn't with her any more, he is with you now and that's where he wants to be.

tipsytrifle · 10/02/2016 23:33

Soooo you're going to hang around until maybe the 14th so that he has plenty of time to insult you by mentioning it's the 14th? Is that the plan? Just one more painful cut then you will end it? I'm not seeing much logic here tbh. How you'll know he regrets anything if you do end it is a mystery - hence the endless postponement. Just one more chance for him to .. what? Say he wants you more than "her" after all. Is that what you want to hear? Then what?

Your thoughts are a bit strange, pumpkin. You're very attached to seeing him regret not choosing you but that's his journey, not yours. Your journey is currently centred on flogging a dead horse relationship that in truth is merely 6mths wasted, not 6 years. You and he have not been together long enough to have forged a shared journey at all, imo.

crispytruffle · 10/02/2016 23:39

I think he believes he has you wrapped around his little finger. He obviously gets off on hurting you or making you feel insecure over this other woman. I would definitely ignore his texts, why would you allow yourself to be his little booty call?!

var123 · 10/02/2016 23:39

The OW (if she is real) is a 52 year old woman who may or may not have been having an extra-marital affair 10 years ago.

Its a possibility, as is that she went out with a younger man for a while who behaved like a little boy, then she realised that he wanted a mother figure and he was annoying anyway, so she dumped him and met her husband and got married.

Whatever really happened 10 years ago, you know that she's 52 now. She has reduced her interaction with your ex to the point that she won't even respond to a Happy Christmas text. She's probably going though the menopause and its highly likely that she has no use for a lovesick 40 year old child in her life (especially as he can't cook or clean up after himself - so neither use nor ornament).

Just forget her OP. She's irrelevant to you. You've given her a LOT more thought than she's given your soon-to-be-ex.

DesignEye · 10/02/2016 23:40

Yeh married to him!

Theendispie · 10/02/2016 23:41

I am late to your thread and must admit to not having read every single reply , sorry may repeat.

I really wouldn't get too hung up on the why just the how it's making you feel.

He is so attention seeking, a humongous wanker, it's as simple as that.

His having to do something every time on the same day made me wonder if he had access rights to a child you don't know about.

Why would anyone want it to not be over when they have been treated like shit. That's what you need to work on op.

amarmai · 10/02/2016 23:49

he'll be getting you to pretend to be her while he has sex with you if you keep this up,op.

ladybird69 · 10/02/2016 23:53

pumpkin I've only read half of your thread but I'm screaming at you THIS GUY IS A MIND FUCK I know cause I've been you. my exh was in love with his ex! but if I loved him enough and tiptoed around his delicate feelings he'd forget all about her and love me. I spent my whole life trying to make him love me, be better than her, make him forget her!!!!!! he spent his whole married life using her for leverage against me. as for his behaviour about acting as if nothing had happened when he came back it's because he has no actual feelings he's acting/pretending. pls stop listening to the drivel he's feeding you and notice the actions! I wasn't good enough to meet his family but I was good enough to sleep with! I was too fat(size12) to be seen in public with but good enough to sleep with. pls get this toxic man out of your life and be happy. BE STRONG Flowers

BIWI · 11/02/2016 08:31

Why are you still engaging with him? Why don't you take charge of the situation rather than letting him think he's still in charge/going out with you?

BIN HIM!

Tell him in no uncertain terms that it's over, why it's over (for the avoidance of any doubt in his mind) and then block him.

Otherwise I'm beginning to think you're actually enjoying this process Hmm

kittykatsforever · 11/02/2016 09:01

I too think it's pointless waiting till valentines day. I'm not sure what difference that will make and then will there be your bday soon or his??
I can understand why you are it's like a scab you can't not itch and your worried if you spell it out to him don't contact me he actually won't (sadly it's likely to have the opposite effect) and let's face it it must be nice hearing how he's missing you etc after the devastation of the revaluation but believe me you will feel so much better being in control and the one who ends it if he gets bored before you. It's sooooo much easier moving on when you have some control and are not the dumped party so I'd really consider getting it done now before he gets in another kick with a "I'm leaving you alone as it's the right thing to do and I'm such a great guy" line comes out and you feel worse that you didn't get in there first.

var123 · 11/02/2016 09:10

You went out with him for only six months.
You are 32 and you want a husband and children.
He is 40 and has no plans for a wife or children.
You don't love him.
He doesn't love you.
He never let you get comfortable in the relationship and never indicated that he wanted it to go the distance.
He wouldn't let you become a bigger part of his life by introducing you around.
Then he tells you that he would leave you for his ex should she give him a signal.
... but you are waiting to see whether he insults you by offering you a Valentine's Day treat or insults you by ignoring Valentine's Day before you get around to ending the relationship??

I honestly don't understand the logic to that. Its your life but I think you can see that this is not the way to go to try to get the family life you want.

BIWI · 11/02/2016 09:11

WTF?! I didn't see your reference to Valentine's day! I'm sorry, pumpkin, but that's stupid. What will happen?

a) he remembers - and this just twists the knife in your gut even further because you don't believe him/you know he loves someone else; it would be a lie on his part, then

or

b) he doesn't - and this will make you feel even worse.

Get some self esteem, please.

var123 · 11/02/2016 09:13

kittykatsforever has all the motivation you need to get on with this right there - dump him before he dumps you.