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Just devastated

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pumpkinmoon1 · 08/02/2016 14:29

I have been with my boyfriend for six months. Minor issues about time spent together and effort (or lack of) seemingly put into the relationship from his side. Major issues being that we wanted different things, I want to get married one day and have a child, he doesn't. Another major issues is him alluding to the fact that he was not over his ex after being apart for over 10 years.

We met and clicked, it was great. He told me that he had 'relationships' in the last 10 years, but kept it casual, was always upfront about lettig them know this and the fact that it wasn't going to go anywhere. I should have ran away then, but I stayed. Why? Because he said I was different and he wanted more. He wanted to be exclusive after 2 weeks or datng and soon after wated to label us as in a proper relationship. He did a good job of making me feel wanted and speicla and 'different'. But time went on and things played on my mind.

At 6 months, I still had not met his family. He neevr really told anyone about me unless they found out of their own accord eg saw us together.

Last weekend was a turning point. We were laying in bed talking on a Sunday morning, and he said that he had to go, he always did this on a Sunday. He said that he had to take a keyboard to his parents for his neice as she was having lessons and wanted to practice. So I was a little dissaponted. Not about the fact that he had to deliver the keyboard, but about the fact that I was just sick and tired of being left alone every Sunday afternoon when we could have been doing things as a couple like most normal people. So he thought that I thought he was making excuses to leave. He asked me if I wanted to go with him. This was a first. I thought that we were actually moving forward. I asked him what he meant and said that I bet his parents didn't even know he had a gf, and he said 'nope', but I could wait in the car. I was gutted. Gutted that after 6 months, I wasn't importaant enough to even be mentioned.

Fast forward to this weekend. Sunday again, we wake up and he says he has to go soon. To pick p a TV with his dad and watched the football and rugby AGAIN. I was calm and said that we need to have a talk about this Sunday afternoon stuff and that it would just be nice to do syuff as a couple on weekends. He mentioned the times he saw me in the week (Tuesday and Thursday evenings for about 4 hours each) and I said I understood that but we can't really do anything in the week as we have work the next day, and weekends are better. He then said that maybe hes just not a good boyfried, and that he isn't relationship material. I told him that he could be if he wanted to be.

He then said that maybe because he has been single so long he is jst stuck in his ways and he's used to doing what he wanted. I really can't remember what was said next but we got to talking about the 'casual' relationships he had in the last 10 years becasue he said that the longest they lasted would be about 3 months. I asked who would end them and he said he would for the most part. I asked why and he said that when he tells me I will probably not want to see him again. What I heard next killed me and I am beginning to shake even as I type this. He said that as he was still living in the past as far as his ex of over 10 years was concerned and always had the hope that they would get back together so when she would contact him out of the blue, he would go meet her and that would be how these relationshps ended. He then went onto say that he should have been more honest with me and that he was still in love with his ex, head over heels in love in fact. So I said that he basically fed me a load of bullshit all these months and despite claiming to 'like' me more than these casuals and that I was different to him, he afforded them more decency as he was up front with them. He said this wasnt the case. I asked if he had been texting her behind my back. He said he hadn't but text her at Christmas and New Year but she didn't reply. I asked him if she was with someone and he said she was. I asked him how he knew but he wouldn't tell me. I asked him if she was married (she's 12 years older than him so 52), he didn't say no, but just repeated she is with someone. SO I think she is married and I think she was when she was with him because he absolutely refuses to talk about it. He said that he wouldn't get into her personal life because she has done nothing wrong, so yes, I definitely think she is married. I asked how they broke up but he wouldn't tell me, he knows my views on people who cheat.

So then he said that I'm sure you have a question in your mind. I asked what he meant by this a little while after. He said I was hoping to avoid that, but went on to say that I probably have the question that if she were to text him now while he's still in a relationship with me, would he go meet her, and then he said he would. As if heaving that he was still head over heels in love with her wasn't enough.

Before he left, he started crying and begged me to let him come back later to talk. I couldn't even answer him but hugged him when I could see the tears dripping from his face. He said that he didn't want to lose me but said he knows how stupid that must sound to me. He text me a little later and came back. I couldn't even speak or look at him. He brought cans of alcohol with him which he sometiems does as we usually have a can or two in front of the TV. He asked if I wanted one and I said I didn't, but said he could have one if he wanted, so he did. Then he sat on the sofa next to me put his hand on my leg in an affectionate way and proceeded to make small talk about what was on TV as IF NOTHING HAD HAPPENED?

We didn't talk. I was so so upset and we just hugged for hours and cried. He said that I was so beautiful and could have any man I wanted but I ended up with a fucking idiot like him. He said he was so so sorry and that he was a massive dick for all of this and that it is all his fault. I cried that much and got so worked up I made myself sick. We eneded up falling asleep. I was exhausted from crying all day and not being able to eat anything.

We woke up and he had to leave as he had work the next morning. He usually comes over on a Tuesday and before he left he was hugging me and asked to come over Tuesday but he would understand if I didn't want to see him. I couldn't answer. Eventually I said that it's not like I don't want to see him, then he finsihed the sentence and said, but you think might be best not to and I agreed. He told me to think about it and to let him know. He hugged me again by the door before leaving and said that I mean so much to him. It did not help to hear such things, it just hurt more. When he got home he text me as he usually does and said that he was back home,and that he hopes I sleep well an that he wished he could be with me and cuddle me in his arms all night. I replied and told him that I hoped he sleeps well. He then text me this morning saying, 'Morning beautiful girl. Hope you slept well and that you're feeling ok today. I'm still feeling a bit tired and could do with going back to bed'. I haven't answered. I don't know how to respond to that. How a I meant to feel ok today? I have had barely any sleep. I haven't eaten. I am still in my pajamas, I had to take the day off work because I just couldn't face it. How does he expect me to feel ok? Does he not remember what he said to me yesterday? I know he doesn't want this to be over, but how could he think I could possibly stay with him? How could I let him come here Tuesday (like usual) and just be able to carry on? I'll be perfectly honest, I don't want it over either but I really have no choice. Even if he cheated on me, they may somehow be a way around that, but there is no way around the fact that he is still in love with his ex, and after 10 years+ that is never going to change. How can someone still be in love with someone when they broke up that long ago? nd wich someone they haven't seen for over two years.

I don't know how to proceed. I am a total mess.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 11:39

He just text me again asking how I am. GRRRRRRR!!!!!

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Ruddygreattiger2016 · 10/02/2016 11:56

Please just ignore the moron

var123 · 10/02/2016 11:56

He is patronising you. Don't reply (and look into how to block a number).

Don't write to him about your married woman theory. It indicates that you are interested and that he is important. You want to give the opposite impression.

Quinoa20 · 10/02/2016 12:04

Ignore !!! I know it's hard but you will come out the other side!

I am still fuming for you men like this are still out there (and always will be I guess) sent you a quick PM, OP XXX

665TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 10/02/2016 12:41

actually i would be tempted to reply
even though I know its wrong..with

"Oddly much happier than I was last week - who would have guessed !
please stop texting with - "are woo awite didums" - type texts - you are just embarrassing yourself.
Strong woman getting on with real life here. "

var123 · 10/02/2016 12:49

665TheNeighbourOfTheBeast - perfect! And then block him. And then get on with having a good life!

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 10/02/2016 12:54

Think all the witty replies you like. My personal favourite (apart from "Bored now", and yes, that was Buffy's Willow of which I spoke Grin) is "None of your fucking business".

But don't reply to him! At all. Any reply will be throwing kibbles at him. Cut that supply off. Just do it.

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 13:13

He has a jacket here that I know he is going to want back at some point. How do I get that to him?

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pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 13:16

Another thing i don't get.... When we met, I had known his friend for a while jst from being out and about really and his friend really liked me. Of course I didn't feel the same. So when we started dating, he even asked him if he minded and if he was ok with it. He said he felt awful for it but really wanted to take things forward with me and needed to check with him first. Why go to all the fucking effort for a casual fling?

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ThatsNotMyRabbit · 10/02/2016 13:18

If you reply at all I think you need to keep it realistic.

Angry/hurt replies such as "Fuck off" indicate depth of feeling.

Be honest (ish) with something like:

Him: how are you feeling?
You: Not too bad. Organised a couple of things to cheer me up. Please stop texting though as that doesn't help. I'll be fine.

I went out with a similar bloke once. He'd had an affair with a married woman. It ended but he was still in love with her. I thought he was the bees whiskers but dumped him anyway. He then spent a while mooning over me. Then the woman left her DH and they got together. Lasted about a month.

var123 · 10/02/2016 13:19

He just enjoys the drama - stop trying to make sense of nonsense!

leave the jacket outside the front door mins before he is due to collect it.

Or drop it round at his work.

Or leave it with a neighbour as he's out.

Or give it to a local charity shop and tell him to hurry before someone else buys it.

Or do a one-off swap of everything and at the end say goodbye forever.

ThatsNotMyRabbit · 10/02/2016 13:22

Why is his jacket your problem??

If he mentions it say "I'll leave it by the back door/the bins, it'll be there at 8pm tomorrow (or whenever). Up to you to pick it up before it gets kicked" and then make sure you're out.

ThatsNotMyRabbit · 10/02/2016 13:22

Nicked.

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 13:25

I suppose the fact that he could never really have her really helped to fuel the fire. It sounds like she messed him about too, giving him false hope that it could work out and then saying no. What a mug he is for still being tied up in that sort of shit. I will not try to compete with someone who is old enough to be my mother. I know these thoughts are ridiculous. Usually men leave for a younger, prettier woman. I would love to know what she looks like. I really would. Again this is no disrespent to woman in their 50's, I'll be there soon enough but it just doesn't compute.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 13:26

That's a good idea. I will do that. I was hoping to be able to gie it to him when I no longer cared and was able to show no emotion. Hopefully I will be there soon.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 13:32

By the way, this is a jacket I washed for him. A suit jacket. I offered because he didn't really know how. I am a bit of a fussy shit when it comes to clothes and washing them and he let me do it.

I do graphic design, and he wanted a logo and business card for his band. I did it and he let me! All the hours I spent on that while he was out just living his life. It still isn't finished as he was meant to be having a look at it for weeks before it was uploaded for printing. He kept asking me if I had done any more on it. I would just say no as he was meant to be looking at it. In the end he said, do you need me there to do it?

He mentioned a picture he found on the net of one of his fav bands and for years wanted it blown up to be put on his wall, he had contacted companies who said it couldnt be dont because it was small. I got the photo off the internet, and worked my arse off on it, enlarging it and trying to improve the quality. I was trying to rush around at Christmas trying to get it printed and framed which would have cost about 90 quid all in all, but couldn't in the end as they were all booked up. I explained to him and said that rather than rish it I would take more time with it (I still got him other gifts) but he LET me spend hours on that photo. How fucking dare he when I was nothing more than a fucking casual shag who could never hold a candle to his haggard old fucking cheating whore married EX!

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ThatsNotMyRabbit · 10/02/2016 13:34

It's good you're not bitter though 🙂

BIWI · 10/02/2016 13:42

Why are you angry with her? It's him you should be reserving your ire for!

I think he's a total fantasist, and he's in love with an ideal. The fact that he can't have her makes it more of an obsession.

Take the gifts and his jacket and drop them outside his door. If you're feeling kind you could put them in bags to stop them getting wet!

And then block him on your phone.

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 13:45

I am just angry in general at the moment. I know it isn't her fault, I don't know her and she doesn't know me. He is the issue. You thik I should also give the gifts back too?

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PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 10/02/2016 13:52

So when we started dating, he even asked him if he minded and if he was ok with it. He said he felt awful for it but really wanted to take things forward with me and needed to check with him first. Why go to all the fucking effort for a casual fling?

Because:

  1. It was pissing all around you and marking you out (with the guys) as his property. He gets to be non-committed, but don't you dare be.
  1. Because it was going to get back to you, so you would then, and even now, think exactly what you were/are thinking! Which just allows him to jerk you around more.

Pumpkin, I mean this in the kindest possible way: you're still thinking about him too much. Get back to work!

But if you really can't focus, here's your next homework assignment: sunk costs fallacy.

expatinscotland · 10/02/2016 13:56

'A suit jacket. I offered because he didn't really know how. I am a bit of a fussy shit when it comes to clothes and washing them and he let me do it.'

FFS. He's FORTY. And he doesn't have the sense the jacket to the fucking dry cleaners if he doesn't know how to wash it? Never mind the whole 'I don't know how to make a pancake' tripe when children can make them.

In addition to his whole commitment bollocks he's fucking useless.

Believe me, one day you'll look back and think, 'Why did I bother?'

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 14:12

I am going back to work tomorrow. I was toying with the idea of taking another days holiday but the sooner I get back the better right? I'm just worried about getting upset there and not being able to concentrate.

I have thought he is useless too. Wouldn't have a clue about DIY. I taught myself to plaster, and have so far plastered my bedroom walls, I am 4ft11! He pays his brother to come and mow his garden. He doesn't own a frying pan or an iron and has in the past admitted to buying paper plates so he doesn't have to wash up.

Every time he has come here for the past 6 months, I have cleaned up after him when he has left. He has never ever offered any help when I have cooked a meal for us. If he finishes a can, he will leave the empty on on the table while going to get another. He was eating a packet of crisps once as we were leaving my house to go out and he just finished them as he reached the front door, not knowing what to do with the empty back, he walked back into my house and put it on the table in the living room!

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ThatsNotMyRabbit · 10/02/2016 14:19

But even knowing all that, I suspect you'd have him back like a shot if he said the right things.

pumpkinmoon1 · 10/02/2016 14:22

Thankfully, no not at all. The words he said cannot be unsaid. I had had any doubt in my mind about trying to work things out, I would have had him over here last night. Tomorrow is another day we saw each other. I wonder is he will ask... My answer will be the same.

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ThatsNotMyRabbit · 10/02/2016 14:23

I hope so Pumpkin 🙂👍🏻