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Just devastated

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pumpkinmoon1 · 08/02/2016 14:29

I have been with my boyfriend for six months. Minor issues about time spent together and effort (or lack of) seemingly put into the relationship from his side. Major issues being that we wanted different things, I want to get married one day and have a child, he doesn't. Another major issues is him alluding to the fact that he was not over his ex after being apart for over 10 years.

We met and clicked, it was great. He told me that he had 'relationships' in the last 10 years, but kept it casual, was always upfront about lettig them know this and the fact that it wasn't going to go anywhere. I should have ran away then, but I stayed. Why? Because he said I was different and he wanted more. He wanted to be exclusive after 2 weeks or datng and soon after wated to label us as in a proper relationship. He did a good job of making me feel wanted and speicla and 'different'. But time went on and things played on my mind.

At 6 months, I still had not met his family. He neevr really told anyone about me unless they found out of their own accord eg saw us together.

Last weekend was a turning point. We were laying in bed talking on a Sunday morning, and he said that he had to go, he always did this on a Sunday. He said that he had to take a keyboard to his parents for his neice as she was having lessons and wanted to practice. So I was a little dissaponted. Not about the fact that he had to deliver the keyboard, but about the fact that I was just sick and tired of being left alone every Sunday afternoon when we could have been doing things as a couple like most normal people. So he thought that I thought he was making excuses to leave. He asked me if I wanted to go with him. This was a first. I thought that we were actually moving forward. I asked him what he meant and said that I bet his parents didn't even know he had a gf, and he said 'nope', but I could wait in the car. I was gutted. Gutted that after 6 months, I wasn't importaant enough to even be mentioned.

Fast forward to this weekend. Sunday again, we wake up and he says he has to go soon. To pick p a TV with his dad and watched the football and rugby AGAIN. I was calm and said that we need to have a talk about this Sunday afternoon stuff and that it would just be nice to do syuff as a couple on weekends. He mentioned the times he saw me in the week (Tuesday and Thursday evenings for about 4 hours each) and I said I understood that but we can't really do anything in the week as we have work the next day, and weekends are better. He then said that maybe hes just not a good boyfried, and that he isn't relationship material. I told him that he could be if he wanted to be.

He then said that maybe because he has been single so long he is jst stuck in his ways and he's used to doing what he wanted. I really can't remember what was said next but we got to talking about the 'casual' relationships he had in the last 10 years becasue he said that the longest they lasted would be about 3 months. I asked who would end them and he said he would for the most part. I asked why and he said that when he tells me I will probably not want to see him again. What I heard next killed me and I am beginning to shake even as I type this. He said that as he was still living in the past as far as his ex of over 10 years was concerned and always had the hope that they would get back together so when she would contact him out of the blue, he would go meet her and that would be how these relationshps ended. He then went onto say that he should have been more honest with me and that he was still in love with his ex, head over heels in love in fact. So I said that he basically fed me a load of bullshit all these months and despite claiming to 'like' me more than these casuals and that I was different to him, he afforded them more decency as he was up front with them. He said this wasnt the case. I asked if he had been texting her behind my back. He said he hadn't but text her at Christmas and New Year but she didn't reply. I asked him if she was with someone and he said she was. I asked him how he knew but he wouldn't tell me. I asked him if she was married (she's 12 years older than him so 52), he didn't say no, but just repeated she is with someone. SO I think she is married and I think she was when she was with him because he absolutely refuses to talk about it. He said that he wouldn't get into her personal life because she has done nothing wrong, so yes, I definitely think she is married. I asked how they broke up but he wouldn't tell me, he knows my views on people who cheat.

So then he said that I'm sure you have a question in your mind. I asked what he meant by this a little while after. He said I was hoping to avoid that, but went on to say that I probably have the question that if she were to text him now while he's still in a relationship with me, would he go meet her, and then he said he would. As if heaving that he was still head over heels in love with her wasn't enough.

Before he left, he started crying and begged me to let him come back later to talk. I couldn't even answer him but hugged him when I could see the tears dripping from his face. He said that he didn't want to lose me but said he knows how stupid that must sound to me. He text me a little later and came back. I couldn't even speak or look at him. He brought cans of alcohol with him which he sometiems does as we usually have a can or two in front of the TV. He asked if I wanted one and I said I didn't, but said he could have one if he wanted, so he did. Then he sat on the sofa next to me put his hand on my leg in an affectionate way and proceeded to make small talk about what was on TV as IF NOTHING HAD HAPPENED?

We didn't talk. I was so so upset and we just hugged for hours and cried. He said that I was so beautiful and could have any man I wanted but I ended up with a fucking idiot like him. He said he was so so sorry and that he was a massive dick for all of this and that it is all his fault. I cried that much and got so worked up I made myself sick. We eneded up falling asleep. I was exhausted from crying all day and not being able to eat anything.

We woke up and he had to leave as he had work the next morning. He usually comes over on a Tuesday and before he left he was hugging me and asked to come over Tuesday but he would understand if I didn't want to see him. I couldn't answer. Eventually I said that it's not like I don't want to see him, then he finsihed the sentence and said, but you think might be best not to and I agreed. He told me to think about it and to let him know. He hugged me again by the door before leaving and said that I mean so much to him. It did not help to hear such things, it just hurt more. When he got home he text me as he usually does and said that he was back home,and that he hopes I sleep well an that he wished he could be with me and cuddle me in his arms all night. I replied and told him that I hoped he sleeps well. He then text me this morning saying, 'Morning beautiful girl. Hope you slept well and that you're feeling ok today. I'm still feeling a bit tired and could do with going back to bed'. I haven't answered. I don't know how to respond to that. How a I meant to feel ok today? I have had barely any sleep. I haven't eaten. I am still in my pajamas, I had to take the day off work because I just couldn't face it. How does he expect me to feel ok? Does he not remember what he said to me yesterday? I know he doesn't want this to be over, but how could he think I could possibly stay with him? How could I let him come here Tuesday (like usual) and just be able to carry on? I'll be perfectly honest, I don't want it over either but I really have no choice. Even if he cheated on me, they may somehow be a way around that, but there is no way around the fact that he is still in love with his ex, and after 10 years+ that is never going to change. How can someone still be in love with someone when they broke up that long ago? nd wich someone they haven't seen for over two years.

I don't know how to proceed. I am a total mess.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 17:10

I ask because I am worried that if he does just disappear and stops the contact that I will go into panic mode. I have done it before when trying to end things and put up with any old crap just to sort it out. I don't want the drama. I know that if he does not contact me, it will be the best way and make it easier for me to move on. I am just bloody terrified.

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ridemesideways · 11/02/2016 17:12

So be proactive. Block HIM

var123 · 11/02/2016 17:12

Its up to you how you react. If you don't want to go into panic mode, then don't.

TBH I can't see why not hearing from him could send you into panic mode or why you would feel compelled to pick up if he does try to get in touch...

Grrrrwhattodo · 11/02/2016 17:13

I concur rideme. Otherwise it is just adding more drama.

temporaryusername · 11/02/2016 17:14

Wow, he has really spelt it out for you, hasn't he? Ah, I guess he struggles with the guilt of leaving such a trail of broken hearts behind him. It is almost comical that he has such an inaccurate image of himself. You are so well out of this OP, do you have any champagne around?

temporaryusername · 11/02/2016 17:16

I think you'll feel better for taking control. But either way, it has be done. If you panic, you panic. You'll deal with it. It is better than this nonsense.

ridemesideways · 11/02/2016 17:20

So... Plan a super lovely self-indulgent evening for yourself, compose the message, press send, immediately block his number (and Facebook etc), leave his stuff outside, lock doors, call friend for a cry, congratulate yourself for being strong and look forward to new horizons...

Iamdobby63 · 11/02/2016 17:24

Pumpkin, why would you 'panic'? Are you afraid of being on your own? IMO Deciding not to waste your life away on this man should give you a huge confidence boost.

var123 · 11/02/2016 17:33

Do you think he'll argue and try desperately to persuade you to give him another chance? Or get angry and tell you how much he despises you?

If he wanted to keep you, then he'd treat you well and he hasn't.

If he wanted to keep you, he wouldn't tell you that he wants to be with someone else.
If he thinks you should stay suspended on the end of the bit of string he is holding, then he might lie to to try to talk you round but he'll soon give up,a dn you don't have to listen.
If he gets angry or abusive then you can press the hang up button and find out how to block his number.

So no need to panic as you have a preprepared response for everything.

tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 17:33

When there is nothing there is Nothing to sort out. Fear is an inappropriate emotion. Anticipation is a drama-urge, Given that he's a man of sand you can't build anything from any of his words or actions. Given that you have been taken in and brainwashed by him (via your hopes and dreams) you can't even trust your own mind processes atm. Decide on a course of action and face it with courage. You are NOT a wilting maiden on the stormy riverbank needing to be saved. You're YOU. Independent, with a job, with a life beckoning you onward. End it and be closed to him.

tingon · 11/02/2016 17:37

I bet he wrote a tortured song about his lost love and kept on singing it until he believed it.

He might write one about you if you dump him, he might even put you on his other thigh if you're really lucky.

He's a twat.

tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 17:39

Face your fear. End it and tell him not to contact or visit. Then BLOCK him on your phone and do not answer door. In fact call 101 if he appears at your door. I don't think he will because he likes women to give to him with as little actual effort on his part as can be got away with via extraordinary amounts of BS. He exploits women for their sensitivity honesty and all the stuff you attribute to him that is not in his nature. You have mistaken him for a part of your being because you were looking for yourself.

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 17:46

Thank you all. I am taking it all on board I honestly am. I just replied to him and told him not to come down. I know it sounds small but actually refusing to see someone when they ask is a big thing for me. I let me exes walk all over me. I even went for a meal with my ex from 2 years ago after it ended and his parents after finding sanitary towls in his new flat and a scarf. I am fucking pathetic. I finally got the balls in that one to tell him to f off and spewed endless texts of horribleness at him because he kept texting me saying he missed me. I have been such a moron in so many ways.

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PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 11/02/2016 17:48

Stop looking for "the perfect" message. Don't feel that you have to explain the first fucking thing. Don't feel you have to wish him well. Don't show anger either. Just keep it simple and unemotional.

"Stop pestering me." will do. Honestly, it will.

But if you want to turn the knife (and it sounds to me like you do), add: "Look, as casual shags go, you were fun for a while, but I don't need this noise. Off you trot."

The fewer words, the better.

But, whatever version you do, avoid "please". Something I learned in my teaching days. "Thank you" conveys more power (a foregone conclusion) whereas "please" suggests it's still their decision to make. Whether we consciously know it or not, "please" is short for "if you please", and he doesn't get to do that any more.

ridemesideways · 11/02/2016 17:50

Well done Pumpkin. As a fellow people-pleaser this approach won't come naturally to you, but it is the best gift you can give yourself.

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 17:54

I feel the need to tell him the real reasons that it is over. Those being what he told me Sunday and the marriage and kids thing. Because if he ever does regret losing me, I want him to know that it was his stupid ridiculous fantasy that was to blame.

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tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 17:54

ohhh pumpkin .. you so need to get some RL counselling. Get free of this shit and ask for help, start with GP. Please. You have real trouble saying NO. I did too. But I learned. I learn every day, ancient as I am ...

temporaryusername · 11/02/2016 17:57

This is the beginning of a better future then, in which you won't put up with people who treat you badly.

tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 18:00

I promise you that you cannot teach others their path word by word. It might help you to explain. It won't help him because he doesn't care.

So if you go into convoluted stuff do it knowing it's for YOU. But your reasons don't show his abuse of you by interrogation of your past and control of your mind via his own propaganda.

His fantasy love was a killer but in truth your fantasy love for him is a bigger one. But I don't care what you say, I'm just praying for you to say you ended it! Properly and clearly. End.

var123 · 11/02/2016 18:00

If you give him reasons, it will give him things to argue with you about. the more words you say, the more places where he can look for holes to pick at. Or mock you to his friends later.

I have a suspicion that he is very manipulative and wishes to own you (not in a loving way). If I am right, then you really do not want to give him any more info about you and leaving will surprise him whatever he says because he thinks he has you where he wants you - his Tuesday and Thursday girl.

FGS do not agree to do the logo and business cards. Say you deleted it if he asks (if you don't take our advice about blocking him which I suspect you won't).

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 11/02/2016 18:01

I feel the need to tell him the real reasons that it is over.
Snap out of it. >slap< Grin

Those being what he told me Sunday and the marriage and kids thing.
Do you REALLY want to hand over all your power in one easy swoop?

Because if he ever does regret losing me...
Head-desk

... I want him to know that it was his stupid ridiculous fantasy that was to blame.
Gaaah! Surely that should have been the icing on the cake? After his indifference, his inability to do the first fucking thing for himself, the despicable way he treated you in the early days, the company he keeps, the ....

var123 · 11/02/2016 18:04

So, WHEN are you going to do this? He isn't coming over tonight, is he? You haven't been texting back and forth all day, have you??

tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 18:10

You are not his saviour. Big lesson. Save yourself first and then maybe you can have a go at saving others. They may refuse the privilege though *heh.
Sacrifice yourself and someone will surely eat your heart out of your living chest. Those old tales of savagery have a place in modern life too, you know. He's itching to tear your heart out if you give him a chance. He is your enemy.

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 18:10

He isn't coming over tonight. I have told him not to. I haven't been texting him back and forth. I just said not to come over when he asked again.

I think I do need to get some sort of hekp because the way I let people treat me is just beyond belief. When I ended it with my last ex, I had no choice because this was a person who wanted me to text him sexual pictures and do disgusting things when my mother was actually dying of cancer and I was caring for her for 8 months, when I ended that I actually worried in case it had hurt him! WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME? He never once offered any help or even asked me how she was. I hope to GOD that noone in real life who knows me ever reads this thread and works out it's me because I am absolutely ashamed.

I suppose it doens't matter what reason I give. He will know the reason anyway.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 18:14

Oh another thing he said on Sunday, He was sorry and he should have been clearer? Should have been clearer? On what exactly. He didnt even tell me he wanted a casual relationship, he told me the very opposite so what on earth could he have been clearer about?

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