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Just devastated

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pumpkinmoon1 · 08/02/2016 14:29

I have been with my boyfriend for six months. Minor issues about time spent together and effort (or lack of) seemingly put into the relationship from his side. Major issues being that we wanted different things, I want to get married one day and have a child, he doesn't. Another major issues is him alluding to the fact that he was not over his ex after being apart for over 10 years.

We met and clicked, it was great. He told me that he had 'relationships' in the last 10 years, but kept it casual, was always upfront about lettig them know this and the fact that it wasn't going to go anywhere. I should have ran away then, but I stayed. Why? Because he said I was different and he wanted more. He wanted to be exclusive after 2 weeks or datng and soon after wated to label us as in a proper relationship. He did a good job of making me feel wanted and speicla and 'different'. But time went on and things played on my mind.

At 6 months, I still had not met his family. He neevr really told anyone about me unless they found out of their own accord eg saw us together.

Last weekend was a turning point. We were laying in bed talking on a Sunday morning, and he said that he had to go, he always did this on a Sunday. He said that he had to take a keyboard to his parents for his neice as she was having lessons and wanted to practice. So I was a little dissaponted. Not about the fact that he had to deliver the keyboard, but about the fact that I was just sick and tired of being left alone every Sunday afternoon when we could have been doing things as a couple like most normal people. So he thought that I thought he was making excuses to leave. He asked me if I wanted to go with him. This was a first. I thought that we were actually moving forward. I asked him what he meant and said that I bet his parents didn't even know he had a gf, and he said 'nope', but I could wait in the car. I was gutted. Gutted that after 6 months, I wasn't importaant enough to even be mentioned.

Fast forward to this weekend. Sunday again, we wake up and he says he has to go soon. To pick p a TV with his dad and watched the football and rugby AGAIN. I was calm and said that we need to have a talk about this Sunday afternoon stuff and that it would just be nice to do syuff as a couple on weekends. He mentioned the times he saw me in the week (Tuesday and Thursday evenings for about 4 hours each) and I said I understood that but we can't really do anything in the week as we have work the next day, and weekends are better. He then said that maybe hes just not a good boyfried, and that he isn't relationship material. I told him that he could be if he wanted to be.

He then said that maybe because he has been single so long he is jst stuck in his ways and he's used to doing what he wanted. I really can't remember what was said next but we got to talking about the 'casual' relationships he had in the last 10 years becasue he said that the longest they lasted would be about 3 months. I asked who would end them and he said he would for the most part. I asked why and he said that when he tells me I will probably not want to see him again. What I heard next killed me and I am beginning to shake even as I type this. He said that as he was still living in the past as far as his ex of over 10 years was concerned and always had the hope that they would get back together so when she would contact him out of the blue, he would go meet her and that would be how these relationshps ended. He then went onto say that he should have been more honest with me and that he was still in love with his ex, head over heels in love in fact. So I said that he basically fed me a load of bullshit all these months and despite claiming to 'like' me more than these casuals and that I was different to him, he afforded them more decency as he was up front with them. He said this wasnt the case. I asked if he had been texting her behind my back. He said he hadn't but text her at Christmas and New Year but she didn't reply. I asked him if she was with someone and he said she was. I asked him how he knew but he wouldn't tell me. I asked him if she was married (she's 12 years older than him so 52), he didn't say no, but just repeated she is with someone. SO I think she is married and I think she was when she was with him because he absolutely refuses to talk about it. He said that he wouldn't get into her personal life because she has done nothing wrong, so yes, I definitely think she is married. I asked how they broke up but he wouldn't tell me, he knows my views on people who cheat.

So then he said that I'm sure you have a question in your mind. I asked what he meant by this a little while after. He said I was hoping to avoid that, but went on to say that I probably have the question that if she were to text him now while he's still in a relationship with me, would he go meet her, and then he said he would. As if heaving that he was still head over heels in love with her wasn't enough.

Before he left, he started crying and begged me to let him come back later to talk. I couldn't even answer him but hugged him when I could see the tears dripping from his face. He said that he didn't want to lose me but said he knows how stupid that must sound to me. He text me a little later and came back. I couldn't even speak or look at him. He brought cans of alcohol with him which he sometiems does as we usually have a can or two in front of the TV. He asked if I wanted one and I said I didn't, but said he could have one if he wanted, so he did. Then he sat on the sofa next to me put his hand on my leg in an affectionate way and proceeded to make small talk about what was on TV as IF NOTHING HAD HAPPENED?

We didn't talk. I was so so upset and we just hugged for hours and cried. He said that I was so beautiful and could have any man I wanted but I ended up with a fucking idiot like him. He said he was so so sorry and that he was a massive dick for all of this and that it is all his fault. I cried that much and got so worked up I made myself sick. We eneded up falling asleep. I was exhausted from crying all day and not being able to eat anything.

We woke up and he had to leave as he had work the next morning. He usually comes over on a Tuesday and before he left he was hugging me and asked to come over Tuesday but he would understand if I didn't want to see him. I couldn't answer. Eventually I said that it's not like I don't want to see him, then he finsihed the sentence and said, but you think might be best not to and I agreed. He told me to think about it and to let him know. He hugged me again by the door before leaving and said that I mean so much to him. It did not help to hear such things, it just hurt more. When he got home he text me as he usually does and said that he was back home,and that he hopes I sleep well an that he wished he could be with me and cuddle me in his arms all night. I replied and told him that I hoped he sleeps well. He then text me this morning saying, 'Morning beautiful girl. Hope you slept well and that you're feeling ok today. I'm still feeling a bit tired and could do with going back to bed'. I haven't answered. I don't know how to respond to that. How a I meant to feel ok today? I have had barely any sleep. I haven't eaten. I am still in my pajamas, I had to take the day off work because I just couldn't face it. How does he expect me to feel ok? Does he not remember what he said to me yesterday? I know he doesn't want this to be over, but how could he think I could possibly stay with him? How could I let him come here Tuesday (like usual) and just be able to carry on? I'll be perfectly honest, I don't want it over either but I really have no choice. Even if he cheated on me, they may somehow be a way around that, but there is no way around the fact that he is still in love with his ex, and after 10 years+ that is never going to change. How can someone still be in love with someone when they broke up that long ago? nd wich someone they haven't seen for over two years.

I don't know how to proceed. I am a total mess.

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thecatfromjapan · 11/02/2016 15:26

You're not very nice about other women, are you?

Seriously, until you develop a bit of respect for other women, you are going to make yourself a magnet, then a doormat, for knobbers.

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 15:29

Sorry if it comes across like that. I am just angry. I realise that his ex has done nothing to me and I feel bad for the woman he has messed about in the past.

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Helmetbymidnight · 11/02/2016 15:29

You've lost my sympathy with all this talk of hags and pensioners.

Livingforlove · 11/02/2016 15:30

Hmm I think calling her a hag is over the top. Can I remind you one day you will be 52 or 60 or whatever.

Helmetbymidnight · 11/02/2016 15:32

It's hard to believe, isn't it, that a man might like an older woman Shock
How could he!!

You really need to just let go of this twat.

var123 · 11/02/2016 15:33

He's like something off Jeremy Kyle. His friends are even worse.

If i knew someone who went to Bristol for a pre-arranged blow job from a pregnant woman (prostitute), I'd work out how to have nothing more to do with them immediately (and be slightly horrified that i did know them at one time).
If I had slept with such a person, I'd be slightly disgusted with myself and I'd be asking how I let that happen?
If my BF told me that his friend had done this, I'd expect him to find it repugnant and be looking to terminate the friendship instantly.
If my BF thought it amusing of in any way approved of it, I'd be disgusted with him and I wouldn't want to be with him any more.
If my BF thought it was okish and my negative reaction was some sort of sexual jealousy, I'd be telling myself that he is a very disturbed human being and I'd be looking to leave quickly.

You did none of this. Instead you answered his questions, defended yourself against the sexual jealousy accusation and entered into a deeper relationship with him.
You really need to have a word with yourself about self-respect and self-preservation.
The OW is completely irrelevant. No woman should go within 100m of this thing that you dreamed of marrying. Just thank God he prompted you to finally think of leaving.

Don't wait for Valentine's Day or the stars to align. Get yourself away form him now. (and then get checked for STIs).
Its as though you are standing in the middle of the motorway watching a long distance lorry bearing down on you and you are just waiting for the rain to stop before you get up the courage to move.

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 15:41

I am very sorry if I have offended anyone here. Of course I do not think that older woman are hags and I don't look down on pensioners or older women in a negative way. I just find it hard to swallow and I am directing my anger towards them. I have no probelm with age gap relationships and none of the women he has mentioned to me have done anything wrong, to me or anyone else. I am just so angry and I don't know where to get rid of it. I am sincerely sorry if I have offended anyone and I truly mean that.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 15:43

And to add, he probably did treat his ex like shit too. Because it is apparent from his past that he was always into just acting single and pissing about with his friends. And when he was younger when she would have been with him, he probably would have been a lot worse than he is now even.

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tingon · 11/02/2016 15:47

Are you sure about his age? He sounds older.

Lot's of old vipers on MN, and most of us are wise enough to avoid arseholes like him.

var123 · 11/02/2016 15:51

As pointed out upthread, OP, he likes older women. Its obvious.
You aren't an older woman. what you think of what older women are is again irrelevant, unless you are considering fancying them yourself. he fancies them and only he can say why. It might be a mother figure. it might be that they are beyond child bearing age. it might be that the ones he goes for are grateful for the attention.

The fact that he fancies older women should not be your main reason for ending it. On the other hand, if it works for you, then its reason enough.

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 15:51

What do you mean, he sounds older? Yeah he is definitely 40.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 15:53

Thanks Var. Yes, I never saw it like that before, that he just likes older women. It could be for any of the reasons you listed, it could be that they're already established in their lives and he can come and go as he pleases with them with no expectations of marriage kids or anything else.

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var123 · 11/02/2016 15:56

What i am hoping, for your sake, is that he isn't attracted to women who are grateful for the attention, because that might turn out to be you when you think about what you've put up with and somehow seen but not registered.

tingon · 11/02/2016 15:59

Grey hair dyed black, saggy face, beer belly, sounds a bit grim to be honest and not like the forty year olds I know.

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 15:59

The part that bothered me about the older woman is that fact that he said he wanted her to have a nice night due to the crap she had been through and the fact that it was her first holiday abroad, So he had no interest in her but feigned it. and thought that he was the one that could make her holiday so much better, like he thinks he's something spectacular.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 16:01

LOL thanks tingon. His face isn't really saggy, in some ways he doesn't look his age at all but in some ways, maybe from certain angles he looks older if that makes sense. He is good looking though, at least he was to me.

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tingon · 11/02/2016 16:04

He's got that second rate, middle aged band member thing going on.

They all think they're rock gods, but usually end up with elderly groupies.

tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 16:11

The magical silver plectrum is a very special kind of lie. Do you seriously believe what he tells you? I'm an older woman and you know what, though my heart is young and wild as ever, I've got the experience now to recognise a total twat. There's no way I'd put up with him for a second never mind get shit engraved on a plectrum for a guy who's a failed wannabe rock star. Perhaps when you're older you will "get it". We all waste precious time on people who don't deserve us. Don't think anyone here wants to slap you. In time, though, I think he might.

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 16:11

Yeah, I do think he thinks the band is great. And I guess in some ways he looks like a washed up old rock star.

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tingon · 11/02/2016 16:14

Teehee Op, you know he's going to look like Granny McCartney one day.

But without the money.

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 16:16

I really thought he was the sensitive caring type, and honest too as he always said that when couples face problems in relationships they should talk about it and face it, rather than let it fester. He failed to talk about all this to me though didn't he? And the more I am remembering stuff and typing stuff out and reading all the replies, the more I think that he just thinks he's some unattainable god, but a very insecure one at that with the way he harped on at me about what happened with his friend. He even asked me if I took my bra off? The reason he asked is because I feel self conscious when totally naked so he said that if I took my bra off with his friend then that means that I was definitely more comfortable with him instead. I can't believe the shit he put me through over all that, especially when I was ill, yet in his mind he knew he loved someone else. I really feel like I need to just spew all this at him tyo get it off my chest.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 16:17

LOL without the money! That made me laugh. He thinks it's absolutely great that he gets paid for these gigs... I think they get about 100 each, there are three of them.

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var123 · 11/02/2016 16:19

So, how is that text message coming along, OP?

if you like, we can write it for you. However, it would be better if you were to compose it yourself. it doesn't have to be long. Just a couple of short and simple statements.

var123 · 11/02/2016 16:20

if you want to be mean, you could say We are finished. Your friend is a better lover. That's why i took my bra off for him.

tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 16:24

Spew it to us rather than him. I think he actually gets off on the lurid details. He'll have you inventing stuff soon enough to please his sick imagination because he'll lead you and lead you til you don't know your backside from a hole in the ground. You'll find yourself wondering if maybe you slept/flirted with a zillion more of his friends and what that makes you, without batting an eyelid at your truth. I've been there. Any mind, vulnerable or not, can be trained to believe anything. Anything at all. I'm willing you to wake up and smell the BS.

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