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Just devastated

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pumpkinmoon1 · 08/02/2016 14:29

I have been with my boyfriend for six months. Minor issues about time spent together and effort (or lack of) seemingly put into the relationship from his side. Major issues being that we wanted different things, I want to get married one day and have a child, he doesn't. Another major issues is him alluding to the fact that he was not over his ex after being apart for over 10 years.

We met and clicked, it was great. He told me that he had 'relationships' in the last 10 years, but kept it casual, was always upfront about lettig them know this and the fact that it wasn't going to go anywhere. I should have ran away then, but I stayed. Why? Because he said I was different and he wanted more. He wanted to be exclusive after 2 weeks or datng and soon after wated to label us as in a proper relationship. He did a good job of making me feel wanted and speicla and 'different'. But time went on and things played on my mind.

At 6 months, I still had not met his family. He neevr really told anyone about me unless they found out of their own accord eg saw us together.

Last weekend was a turning point. We were laying in bed talking on a Sunday morning, and he said that he had to go, he always did this on a Sunday. He said that he had to take a keyboard to his parents for his neice as she was having lessons and wanted to practice. So I was a little dissaponted. Not about the fact that he had to deliver the keyboard, but about the fact that I was just sick and tired of being left alone every Sunday afternoon when we could have been doing things as a couple like most normal people. So he thought that I thought he was making excuses to leave. He asked me if I wanted to go with him. This was a first. I thought that we were actually moving forward. I asked him what he meant and said that I bet his parents didn't even know he had a gf, and he said 'nope', but I could wait in the car. I was gutted. Gutted that after 6 months, I wasn't importaant enough to even be mentioned.

Fast forward to this weekend. Sunday again, we wake up and he says he has to go soon. To pick p a TV with his dad and watched the football and rugby AGAIN. I was calm and said that we need to have a talk about this Sunday afternoon stuff and that it would just be nice to do syuff as a couple on weekends. He mentioned the times he saw me in the week (Tuesday and Thursday evenings for about 4 hours each) and I said I understood that but we can't really do anything in the week as we have work the next day, and weekends are better. He then said that maybe hes just not a good boyfried, and that he isn't relationship material. I told him that he could be if he wanted to be.

He then said that maybe because he has been single so long he is jst stuck in his ways and he's used to doing what he wanted. I really can't remember what was said next but we got to talking about the 'casual' relationships he had in the last 10 years becasue he said that the longest they lasted would be about 3 months. I asked who would end them and he said he would for the most part. I asked why and he said that when he tells me I will probably not want to see him again. What I heard next killed me and I am beginning to shake even as I type this. He said that as he was still living in the past as far as his ex of over 10 years was concerned and always had the hope that they would get back together so when she would contact him out of the blue, he would go meet her and that would be how these relationshps ended. He then went onto say that he should have been more honest with me and that he was still in love with his ex, head over heels in love in fact. So I said that he basically fed me a load of bullshit all these months and despite claiming to 'like' me more than these casuals and that I was different to him, he afforded them more decency as he was up front with them. He said this wasnt the case. I asked if he had been texting her behind my back. He said he hadn't but text her at Christmas and New Year but she didn't reply. I asked him if she was with someone and he said she was. I asked him how he knew but he wouldn't tell me. I asked him if she was married (she's 12 years older than him so 52), he didn't say no, but just repeated she is with someone. SO I think she is married and I think she was when she was with him because he absolutely refuses to talk about it. He said that he wouldn't get into her personal life because she has done nothing wrong, so yes, I definitely think she is married. I asked how they broke up but he wouldn't tell me, he knows my views on people who cheat.

So then he said that I'm sure you have a question in your mind. I asked what he meant by this a little while after. He said I was hoping to avoid that, but went on to say that I probably have the question that if she were to text him now while he's still in a relationship with me, would he go meet her, and then he said he would. As if heaving that he was still head over heels in love with her wasn't enough.

Before he left, he started crying and begged me to let him come back later to talk. I couldn't even answer him but hugged him when I could see the tears dripping from his face. He said that he didn't want to lose me but said he knows how stupid that must sound to me. He text me a little later and came back. I couldn't even speak or look at him. He brought cans of alcohol with him which he sometiems does as we usually have a can or two in front of the TV. He asked if I wanted one and I said I didn't, but said he could have one if he wanted, so he did. Then he sat on the sofa next to me put his hand on my leg in an affectionate way and proceeded to make small talk about what was on TV as IF NOTHING HAD HAPPENED?

We didn't talk. I was so so upset and we just hugged for hours and cried. He said that I was so beautiful and could have any man I wanted but I ended up with a fucking idiot like him. He said he was so so sorry and that he was a massive dick for all of this and that it is all his fault. I cried that much and got so worked up I made myself sick. We eneded up falling asleep. I was exhausted from crying all day and not being able to eat anything.

We woke up and he had to leave as he had work the next morning. He usually comes over on a Tuesday and before he left he was hugging me and asked to come over Tuesday but he would understand if I didn't want to see him. I couldn't answer. Eventually I said that it's not like I don't want to see him, then he finsihed the sentence and said, but you think might be best not to and I agreed. He told me to think about it and to let him know. He hugged me again by the door before leaving and said that I mean so much to him. It did not help to hear such things, it just hurt more. When he got home he text me as he usually does and said that he was back home,and that he hopes I sleep well an that he wished he could be with me and cuddle me in his arms all night. I replied and told him that I hoped he sleeps well. He then text me this morning saying, 'Morning beautiful girl. Hope you slept well and that you're feeling ok today. I'm still feeling a bit tired and could do with going back to bed'. I haven't answered. I don't know how to respond to that. How a I meant to feel ok today? I have had barely any sleep. I haven't eaten. I am still in my pajamas, I had to take the day off work because I just couldn't face it. How does he expect me to feel ok? Does he not remember what he said to me yesterday? I know he doesn't want this to be over, but how could he think I could possibly stay with him? How could I let him come here Tuesday (like usual) and just be able to carry on? I'll be perfectly honest, I don't want it over either but I really have no choice. Even if he cheated on me, they may somehow be a way around that, but there is no way around the fact that he is still in love with his ex, and after 10 years+ that is never going to change. How can someone still be in love with someone when they broke up that long ago? nd wich someone they haven't seen for over two years.

I don't know how to proceed. I am a total mess.

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var123 · 11/02/2016 13:03

Just dump him. If you had posted that 6 weeks into your "relationship", I'd have said the same then.

Lets put it this way. Run, run very fast and don't stop until you are very far away from him.

expatinscotland · 11/02/2016 13:07

He's nasty. Please get an STI screening. Chlamydia can scar your Fallopian tubes and leave you at increased risk of ectopic pregnancy or needing IVF to get pregnant at all.

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 13:12

Sorry, I missed out one major part to that story. A week after the Tuesday where he basically put me on trial, he got his results and they were all clear via text. So he called the clinic, why I really don't know, and asked if the girl he had been seeing should get tested too. The woman on the phone told him that it wouldn't hurt. So when I had recovered from my op, I also got tested and it came out all clear, inc bloodwork. It just irritates me that because he thought he had something, that he MUST have got it from ME. Not some slag he slept with on holiday in May, I believe it was on holiday as they always go in May.

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expatinscotland · 11/02/2016 13:15

I'm not sure why you would give this person the time of day, much less have a relationship with him.

var123 · 11/02/2016 13:15

Did something really awful happen to you pumpkinmoon1 that you ended up with such low self-esteem that you'd have any doubt at all that this is completely unacceptable?

There are so many deal breakers in that last post that I hardly nowhere to start.
Don't wait any longer. Leave him now. (And book that STI clinic appointment today).

var123 · 11/02/2016 13:16

x posted. Leave but sti clinic appt still a good idea, but not so urgent.

tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 13:19

When he was according to him tested for chlamydia, what was the result? Paper copy of said result viewed by yourself? No, didn't think so.

As of now I don't believe a word this man-thing says. He is utterly and despicably unbelievable.

When you walk your dog, pumpkin, who's in control of the lead? You or dog? I think you'd be wise to consider controlling this situation soon because atm you're leaping around like it's you on the end of a lead held by a maniac throwing you biscuits you can't reach but crave, oh so badly. Sorry about mixing up metaphors and analogies but this is and always has been madness.

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 13:20

And from the photos on our mutual friends Facebook (he doesn't have facebook himself) I could see that they spenty a lot of time with a particular group of women. One of which he was sat next to in one of the photos so I think it was her.

About a month and half ago, he asked me if I would mind him going on this yearly holiday. I said no, it was fine but I raised the concern that as all his mates that he goes with are single, they're obviously going to be on the pull and I didn't find that too appropriate of an environment. He said he completely understood my concerns but he could hardly sit drinking on his own, which is fair enough. So recently in January, our mutual friend put a few statuses up about the holiday, from what I can gather it hadn't yet been booked, I am not sure if it has now or not. But THAT women from the photo last year commented and said 'just book it'. and 'Oh god not you lot again' and also 'we are there for 2 weeks' and from what I can gather in the same hotel. So I cehcked her FB at the time and yes, it works out that her and her sister are going in May also. So or mutual friend has obviously talked to them about this. This also bothered me. I am not saying bf (now ex) would actively book it at a time to meet them, he would leave the booking to someone else anyway, but the fact that he would go knowing that these women would be there at the same time, especially if indeed she he did shag her!

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pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 13:22

var - What are the dealbreakers that you see in the post?

I saw the text which said it was all clear, that's all you get as I got exactly the same text. If they find anything, they call you and invite you in.

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var123 · 11/02/2016 13:24

so your last post is to add what to your decision? Exactly how many reasons do you need to leave him?

var123 · 11/02/2016 13:24

Do you mind if we try it this way? You tell me what you think might be a deal breaker in all of that?

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 13:25

Do you mean meeting this 60yr old for a catch up drink when I was in bed at home? I can't know for sure it was this day, meaning the Thursday where he didn't contact me at all but I am pretty sure it was. Woman's intuition and all that.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 13:28

Well what bothered me is that fact that he couldn't put aside his 'hurt' over what hapened with his mate when I was ill in hospital and at home to be supportive. Even if we addressed it at a later data. His texts that week were very cold and unemotional.

The fact that he even had to catch up with someone he met briefly on holiday - no less a fucking pensioner. It's not like they were once close and the catch up was warranted.

The fact that he didn't tell me about it before hand.

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amarmai · 11/02/2016 13:33

why wd you give him all the sex details about you and his friend? Sick!

var123 · 11/02/2016 13:40
  1. He demanded to know intimate details of your sexual history.
  2. The lack of respect for woman in general in saying he’d normally dump a woman for a past such as yours
  3. The manipulation in telling you that you were luckily enough to have won an exemption on this occasion
  4. The fact that he fancies much older women (and you aren’t one of those)
  5. The fact that he hangs out with a bunch of losers
  6. The fact that he even wanted to go on a 18-30 type lads holiday when he’s 40
  7. The putting his needs first when (a) he had no right to have that need in the first place and (b) a bit of compassion would not go amiss.
  8. The fact that he thinks he may have a STI and automatically assumes that you gave it to him, angrily accusing you before he even finds out whether he does have a STI or not
  9. The inability to realise that you are very ill. He’s not obliged to help you – you were only going out for a few weeks for heaven’s sake – but any decent human being would help another if he found himself in their flat that night.
  10. The non-date with the granny. All this adds up to a very strong case for immediately ending any involvement with him.
pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 13:44

Thanks Var. It helped to read all that. That's another question, if I was nothing but one of the 'casual's to him, why did the business with his friend bother him so much? He could have just walked then.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 13:46

Another thing that bothered me.... He said not only will it be one holiday this yea but two as his mate is having a stag do abroad.

Where does this leave any time for US to have a holiday? Surely he couldn't afford three, especially having the time off work. And obviously the relationship would have suffered even more as as he would have had to watch what he spent to afford them. Not that I allowed him to pay my way of course.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 13:48

I think holidays away are fine when your single, but in a relationship, I tend not to indulge in girly holidays, I'd rather go with my partner. We were meant to be booking to take my dog to the lake district early this year, he was well uo for it. But nothing ever materialised. I would keep mentioning it and he would be like, yeah we will have to look soon, so in the end I just stopped mentioning it.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 13:52

I didn't give him details, I just told he what didn't happen because I honesly don't remember the details.

He went on to tell me how gross his friends behaviour is. I believe this friend has a lot of issues. Wel he does because his friend has spoken in length to me about them. But when all this came to light, he told me that one night he went on POF and aranged to drive to bristol that night to get a bow job in a park of a pregnant black woman. And said that when his friend told him about this, his friend said that the fact that she had another man's baby inside her made it even more thrilling. I told my BF that it made me feel absolutely sick to hear this and I didn't want to hear anymore. He turned that on me and took it to mean that I couldn't bear to hear it because I must still have feelings for him or like him and still want to be with him.

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expatinscotland · 11/02/2016 14:13

'Another thing that bothered me.... He said not only will it be one holiday this yea but two as his mate is having a stag do abroad.

Where does this leave any time for US to have a holiday? Surely he couldn't afford three, especially having the time off work. And obviously the relationship would have suffered even more as as he would have had to watch what he spent to afford them. Not that I allowed him to pay my way of course.'

Why would you even want to go on holiday with him?

People do what works and so, on some level, this is working for you - the drama, the emotional upheaval, the to'ing and fro'ing, the angst. You are getting off on it as much as he is or you wouldn't put up with it for a second longer. You'd send him a text, 'I don't want to be your girlfriend anymore,' and some details about how to get his jacket back and leave.

You don't. Effectively, you don't want marriage and kids. You want dysfunctional shit storms for relationships like this, with utter cock wombles like this. That's the bottom line.

He's not to blame for making you miserable. You are.

I wish you the best of luck. I hope you wake up and smell the coffee before the fertility ship has sailed.

tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 14:13

Reading your latest posts I'm thinking that for the last 6mths you have been "owned", exploited and emotionally abused by a very, very bad man. I might go so far as to say he is highly dangerous and manipulative in ways that are only now being revealed in your posts.

This would explain how you find it so hard to simply walk away, short though this relationship has been. Abusive relationships and boiling frog syndrome are worth reading about. I don't have a link but someone else will.

What say you to this updated view? You've minimised and avoided, made excuses and thrown in chaotic red herrings to escape the actual ending of this vile situation. Your deeply entrenched attachment to it is also explainable in the context of abuse.

He's actually quite skilled to have twisted the breath out of your soul so quickly. But then, you were in great emotional need and he saw that. He has targetted you like the predator that he truly is.

kittykatsforever · 11/02/2016 14:17

Pumpkin- what does it matter now!!!
He probably wouldn't have had another Holliday with you, it was likely another argument going to happen
He puts his lads hollidays before you as he has done everything else because he is a selfish twat who thinks only about himself.
What else do you need to know or torture yourself with! Looking on fb snooping etc will only make you feel worse as the likely good is the other women going at the same time is no coincidence!
He will meet other women but you will likely meet a much better man who you can have a future with the minute you start living the rest of your life by dumping him
You will NEVER figure him out
You willNEVER get the answers you want as to why
It's just life, it sucks but it happens

Livingforlove · 11/02/2016 14:17

Well he obviously likes the older woman op. You don't believe for one moment he met that woman for a stroll on the beach on holiday and then a quiet drink when they got back do you?

ridemesideways · 11/02/2016 14:18

This is excruciating. Why are you ripping the plaster off slowly? He is probably still texting you in the hope that you'll continue to be his Tues / Thurs / weekend (but not Sun pm as that's when he stalks his ex) fuck buddy.

He's a shit. End of. Send a single text:

"We're done. I do not wish to see or communicate with you any more. You may collect your things from (some mutual friend address). I am blocking you after this message is sent. Don't attempt to contact me."

MagicalMrsMistoffelees · 11/02/2016 14:22

He was 'bothered' about you sleeping with the other guy because it's about power for him. It's the same reason he's loving the fact you're at home all upset and he is able to send you texts such as, 'wish I was there to cuddle you and make it all better little one,' like some kind of knight in shining armour.

So anyway - he's miffed about your sexual history. Yet he's in love with his ex and wants her back and will dump you if she ever wants him.

Can you see the discrepancy here? He is a twat.

I think this whole business of being in 'love' with an ex is actually a ruse. I think it is a smokescreen and an excuse for his lack of interest in commitment. He enjoys being single, holidaying with the lads and watching sport paired with flimsy relationships with women who fall at his feet and put up with playing just a part-time role in his life. You know, good enough for a shag and to make pancakes for him but not good enough to meet his family, share a home or have children with.

You really believe he dumped the other 'casuals'? I don't! They wised up to him when they realised how flaky and unreliable he is.

Please, please stop torturing yourself by believing you were anything more than a casual fling for him. Find someone who loves you and wants a normal, healthy relationship based on mutual respect and shared life goals.

Have you dumped him yet? You do know this whole 'waiting to see what he'll do for valentine's day' is nonsense don't you? It is irrelevant to your life and your future.

Ps the bit about him snogging the lady in her sixties because he wanted her to have a good evening is nauseating! He really thinks he is some kind of romantic hero doesn't he? What a condescending little git. Envy