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Just devastated

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pumpkinmoon1 · 08/02/2016 14:29

I have been with my boyfriend for six months. Minor issues about time spent together and effort (or lack of) seemingly put into the relationship from his side. Major issues being that we wanted different things, I want to get married one day and have a child, he doesn't. Another major issues is him alluding to the fact that he was not over his ex after being apart for over 10 years.

We met and clicked, it was great. He told me that he had 'relationships' in the last 10 years, but kept it casual, was always upfront about lettig them know this and the fact that it wasn't going to go anywhere. I should have ran away then, but I stayed. Why? Because he said I was different and he wanted more. He wanted to be exclusive after 2 weeks or datng and soon after wated to label us as in a proper relationship. He did a good job of making me feel wanted and speicla and 'different'. But time went on and things played on my mind.

At 6 months, I still had not met his family. He neevr really told anyone about me unless they found out of their own accord eg saw us together.

Last weekend was a turning point. We were laying in bed talking on a Sunday morning, and he said that he had to go, he always did this on a Sunday. He said that he had to take a keyboard to his parents for his neice as she was having lessons and wanted to practice. So I was a little dissaponted. Not about the fact that he had to deliver the keyboard, but about the fact that I was just sick and tired of being left alone every Sunday afternoon when we could have been doing things as a couple like most normal people. So he thought that I thought he was making excuses to leave. He asked me if I wanted to go with him. This was a first. I thought that we were actually moving forward. I asked him what he meant and said that I bet his parents didn't even know he had a gf, and he said 'nope', but I could wait in the car. I was gutted. Gutted that after 6 months, I wasn't importaant enough to even be mentioned.

Fast forward to this weekend. Sunday again, we wake up and he says he has to go soon. To pick p a TV with his dad and watched the football and rugby AGAIN. I was calm and said that we need to have a talk about this Sunday afternoon stuff and that it would just be nice to do syuff as a couple on weekends. He mentioned the times he saw me in the week (Tuesday and Thursday evenings for about 4 hours each) and I said I understood that but we can't really do anything in the week as we have work the next day, and weekends are better. He then said that maybe hes just not a good boyfried, and that he isn't relationship material. I told him that he could be if he wanted to be.

He then said that maybe because he has been single so long he is jst stuck in his ways and he's used to doing what he wanted. I really can't remember what was said next but we got to talking about the 'casual' relationships he had in the last 10 years becasue he said that the longest they lasted would be about 3 months. I asked who would end them and he said he would for the most part. I asked why and he said that when he tells me I will probably not want to see him again. What I heard next killed me and I am beginning to shake even as I type this. He said that as he was still living in the past as far as his ex of over 10 years was concerned and always had the hope that they would get back together so when she would contact him out of the blue, he would go meet her and that would be how these relationshps ended. He then went onto say that he should have been more honest with me and that he was still in love with his ex, head over heels in love in fact. So I said that he basically fed me a load of bullshit all these months and despite claiming to 'like' me more than these casuals and that I was different to him, he afforded them more decency as he was up front with them. He said this wasnt the case. I asked if he had been texting her behind my back. He said he hadn't but text her at Christmas and New Year but she didn't reply. I asked him if she was with someone and he said she was. I asked him how he knew but he wouldn't tell me. I asked him if she was married (she's 12 years older than him so 52), he didn't say no, but just repeated she is with someone. SO I think she is married and I think she was when she was with him because he absolutely refuses to talk about it. He said that he wouldn't get into her personal life because she has done nothing wrong, so yes, I definitely think she is married. I asked how they broke up but he wouldn't tell me, he knows my views on people who cheat.

So then he said that I'm sure you have a question in your mind. I asked what he meant by this a little while after. He said I was hoping to avoid that, but went on to say that I probably have the question that if she were to text him now while he's still in a relationship with me, would he go meet her, and then he said he would. As if heaving that he was still head over heels in love with her wasn't enough.

Before he left, he started crying and begged me to let him come back later to talk. I couldn't even answer him but hugged him when I could see the tears dripping from his face. He said that he didn't want to lose me but said he knows how stupid that must sound to me. He text me a little later and came back. I couldn't even speak or look at him. He brought cans of alcohol with him which he sometiems does as we usually have a can or two in front of the TV. He asked if I wanted one and I said I didn't, but said he could have one if he wanted, so he did. Then he sat on the sofa next to me put his hand on my leg in an affectionate way and proceeded to make small talk about what was on TV as IF NOTHING HAD HAPPENED?

We didn't talk. I was so so upset and we just hugged for hours and cried. He said that I was so beautiful and could have any man I wanted but I ended up with a fucking idiot like him. He said he was so so sorry and that he was a massive dick for all of this and that it is all his fault. I cried that much and got so worked up I made myself sick. We eneded up falling asleep. I was exhausted from crying all day and not being able to eat anything.

We woke up and he had to leave as he had work the next morning. He usually comes over on a Tuesday and before he left he was hugging me and asked to come over Tuesday but he would understand if I didn't want to see him. I couldn't answer. Eventually I said that it's not like I don't want to see him, then he finsihed the sentence and said, but you think might be best not to and I agreed. He told me to think about it and to let him know. He hugged me again by the door before leaving and said that I mean so much to him. It did not help to hear such things, it just hurt more. When he got home he text me as he usually does and said that he was back home,and that he hopes I sleep well an that he wished he could be with me and cuddle me in his arms all night. I replied and told him that I hoped he sleeps well. He then text me this morning saying, 'Morning beautiful girl. Hope you slept well and that you're feeling ok today. I'm still feeling a bit tired and could do with going back to bed'. I haven't answered. I don't know how to respond to that. How a I meant to feel ok today? I have had barely any sleep. I haven't eaten. I am still in my pajamas, I had to take the day off work because I just couldn't face it. How does he expect me to feel ok? Does he not remember what he said to me yesterday? I know he doesn't want this to be over, but how could he think I could possibly stay with him? How could I let him come here Tuesday (like usual) and just be able to carry on? I'll be perfectly honest, I don't want it over either but I really have no choice. Even if he cheated on me, they may somehow be a way around that, but there is no way around the fact that he is still in love with his ex, and after 10 years+ that is never going to change. How can someone still be in love with someone when they broke up that long ago? nd wich someone they haven't seen for over two years.

I don't know how to proceed. I am a total mess.

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Joysmum · 11/02/2016 09:17

I can't believe anyone in life thinks you're doing the right thing by not being upfront now in telling him it's over then blocking and deleting.

What's the point of waiting? You already know he's a fuckwit, what do you gain from wanting him to continue to show he's a fuckwit? This is hurting you more than you'd be gaining from it.

Rip the sticky plaster off rather than death by a thousand cuts Flowers

var123 · 11/02/2016 10:00

... and, even though you shouldn't care about his opinion, if you do care anyway then your only hope of him remembering with regret the end of his relationship with you is if you finish with him.

If you keep this up much longer, he'll get bored, then you'll quickly start to irritate him and he will cut you loose.

I had a boyfriend when I was about 20. He was much more into me than I was into him. I started out slightly positive because he was a nice guy, but the more intense he got, the more I realised that I'd never feel the same way about him. So, I decided mentally that it was not going anywhere but being young, I put off telling him because I found it awkward. However, from that moment on, he just turned me off more and more. Eventually, everything he did made my skin crawl. So, when I finally did call a halt to it, I had no regrets, just relief to be away from him.

This is how it could turn out for him too. He's already decided and told you that there's no future in it. At first he wanted you to stick around, it currently makes him feel like a man that you are so hurt to lose him but the longer you leave it, the sooner he'll realise that he doesn't really respect you and actually you are a bit annoying with all your moaning about his football and expecting him to find things to say about your artwork, apart from "its nice". (Sorry, but that's what it is from his perspective.)

MagicalMrsMistoffelees · 11/02/2016 10:30

You asked if he thinks he's made a mistake?

Think about it. He's pined after his ex for ten years. Been 'in love' with her for many more. Told you just a few days ago that he still loves her and would leave you immediately if she wanted him.

All he's doing is keeping his conscience clear for when he dumps you! After all, how can you be surprised when he's warned you of his true feelings? When he told you all along you were second best? And he's right - he's made it very clear how he feels and put the ball in your court.

He expects you to continue to put up and shut up because he's kept you at arm's length for the last six months and you've still stayed in the relationship. He doesn't expect that to change now. And you're proving him right by not binning him immediately and by responding to his cringey texts. You've taken time off work, you secretly hope you'll have to see him when he gets his stuff, you hope he'll have planned a valentine surprise. It's all power to him - he has you good and proper!

He doesn't want marriage and children.

He doesn't want to live with you.

He doesn't want you to meet his family.

He prefers watching sport every weekend than being with you.

He can't do basic housework.

And this is all before you consider he is pining after his ex whose name is tattooed on his person. It's obscene!

Just bin the loser! Who cares about valentine's day?!

You seem surprised that he's texting you after what he's told you. I'm not! Why would he give up this easy no-strings relationship that he can vacate in an instant? Especially when you've given him no reason to think it's over.

Come on girl - bin him and move on! If you're fast you might even have met someone else before valentine's day!! Wink

tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 10:58

BIWI - OP said she was waiting to see if bf mentioned Valentines. She also said she would wait til w/e to gather strength to end it. I kind of put the elements together and thought she might be intending to wait out V Day, get hurt again and then ... whatever ... end or not end. Maybe wait for just another few days.

pumpkin it's your life, your choice. Though with regards this cunning piece of lettuce-man you have fewer choices than you think because the game actually belongs to him.

tingon · 11/02/2016 11:06

If he wanted to he could pull out all the stops and get the OP back, he will know this. I think the OP is waiting to see what he does.

He holds all the cards here. Absolutely.

var123 · 11/02/2016 11:10

He will never give Pumpkin what she wants. She knows it and has no doubt whatsoever. So.............?

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 11:45

Thanks all for all of the support and words.

I realise that everyone has a past and I have never had an issue with this. What I with the songs is that it's fine to remember times and songs, even fondly, I don't even mind when people mention their exes but usually when there is some sort of love song on it leads you to think of the person you are currently with, specific songs because you're happy to be with that person. But for him, it's not about remembering someone he no longer is in love with and remembers, but rather that she is at the front of his mind when he hears songs. I hope that makes sense. Similarly when they're are things on TV, people getting married, he probably imagined that for himself with her.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 11:46

There are things on TV, sorry on my phone at the moment.

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tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 11:57

I'm wondering if you're projecting somewhat? That it might be you seeing a wedding show on TV and thinking of him with you? That it's you hearing a song and identifying him in the lyrics. This thread is so about him when it should be about you. I don't think he's thinking any of this stuff. I think he's wondering when he can next get you into bed on any whimsical pity-me basis and nothing more complex than his own gratification flutters his heart at all. In his world there is only him and his eternal pain. Oddly enough in your world there is only him too.

Can you see where I'm getting this perception from? I think you might need some counselling or RL advice about your very strong attachment to this shitty man-child.

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 11:59

Ladybird, what did you do to get rid if him? Did you divorce him?

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pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 12:01

BIWI - when you say tell him it's over and 'why' it is over what reason do I give as to the why?

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Helmetbymidnight · 11/02/2016 12:05

Just say 'It's over because you're a twat'.

He is.

But if you're happy sucking the cock of a man who has the name of the woman he 'really' loves tattooed on his thigh, then you're being a bit silly too.

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 12:12

Tipsytrifle - seeing stuff like that on TV just made me think that there was no way that's gonna be me and it made me sad. I haven't been able to watch anything with babies or weddings for some time. Two people at work brought their new babies into work and I couldn't even bare to get up to go over to look.

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var123 · 11/02/2016 12:13

Well why are you finishing things? he's given you a 100 different reasons each of which is good enough by itself. Pick the one that bothers you most and say that.

My choice, in your shoes would be I don't want to be with you. I will end up hating you because you will prevent me having the life I want. So, goodbye. Please don't contact me again as I want to get on with my life.

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 12:15

You're right helmet. I saw the tattoo obviously and thought it was from his past because people do make silly mistakes like that but I have no idea he was actually still in love with her.

I'm also worried about his friends some of which are mutual friends. If they ask me what happened? What am I meant to say knowing that he likes to keep things private and wouldn't want them knowing anything, I also wouldn't want him telling them what happened, not that I think he would, but the reason this ended is just mortifying and I am embarrassed about it if I'm honest.

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var123 · 11/02/2016 12:15

pumpkinmoon1 - but you only went out with him for 6 months. You weren't even with him in July last year. When did you start getting anxious that he wasn't going to be your husband and you'd never have a baby?

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 12:16

The reason that bothers me the most is what he said about her and the marriage and kids thing but I feel stupid saying that that to him because to that he can say, well it's true bla bla bla and it will just make me feel worse.

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tipsytrifle · 11/02/2016 12:20

pumpkin why can't you look at that puky stuff on TV and imagine it for yourself in the future with a partner who actually loves you? You're holding on to this bounder for grim life, it seems. Your life should be about YOU. Not. Him.

Have you considered what else you might achieve as a precious, unique being or is absolutely everything about marriage and babies? I know a forum like this can only ever contain snapshots, but really ... there's a vast horizon out there for life's journey. If you don't step out of your current cave-of-waiting you'll miss it all!

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 12:21

When he dropped the bombshell that he never wanted to ger married and have kids. I know relationships aren't guaranteed, and I could have been with someone for a year who did want those things and it might still have ended for whatever reason but the fact that he was the first person in a long time that I had any feelings or attraction toward, and the fact that we got on do well right off the bat, I saw potential in the relationship for it to lead that way. When he said those were things he didn't want I thought I would give it some time to see if he ever changed his mind. That was silly now I realise. I am glad that this all came our with his ex though because if it hadn't, I worry that I wouldn't have put aside my life goals and dreams in order to stay with him. Of course, in my mind I thought when it gets to a certain time and if he still hasn't budged on the ideas of marriage and kids, I would just end it but now I would if I would have. I'm that pathetic. I don't know why I am like this. This is obviously the reason that I got to 34 and I still haven't got what I wanted.

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Helmetbymidnight · 11/02/2016 12:24

You can say to mates, 'We wanted different things'. If you want to give details, give them details!

It's fine to want a partnership and babies. Accept that you won't have that with him and move on.

expatinscotland · 11/02/2016 12:31

'BIWI - when you say tell him it's over and 'why' it is over what reason do I give as to the why?'

This isn't hard. You just text him: 'I want different things in life.' As for mutual friends, why do you need to justify things to them? You have only been going out with him for 6 months, it's not like you're calling off a wedding. 'We wanted different things in life so it didn't work out.'

By staying with him, you're passing up on the things you say you want: marriage and family.

Ask yourself, do I really want marriage and kids? Because your behaviour is not indicative of that. Sometimes we tell ourselves we want something, but sabotage it with our behaviour because in essence, we really didn't want we told ourselves.

It's fine not to want marriage and kids, but it's far better to admit that to oneself that continue in a pattern of destructive behaviour.

BIWI · 11/02/2016 12:36

You really have to ask what reasons you need to give?!

Tell him that you don't like playing second fiddle and that you deserve more.

His friends have no need to know anything beyond it just didn't work out. Or you could also tell them, just to get the message through, that he was still holding a flame for another woman and you weren't prepared to take second place.

Because you deserve more

var123 · 11/02/2016 12:47

This is not that difficult! It really isn't.

Surely you can communicate a simple message?

I do not want to be your girlfriend any more. I do not like what has happened and the future is even less attractive. I don't want to carry on. So please consider our relationship to be over. There is nothing more to say.

Now practical things: I have your jacket. You can collect it at 7pm on Tuesday night. i will leave it outside the door for you. Just pick it up and go. Do not attempt to speak to me.

Good bye.

pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 12:58

There is another thing that has been bothering me for months. JUst want to get this out there to get some opinions. About a month and half after we got together, he found out I had briefly dated on of his friends. Well he didn't find out, I had to tell him. This was before I had even met him or knew he existed, and after we started dating I didn't even know he knew him, at least not well anyway.

So one Saturday night when he was here his phone started ringing. I caught the name on the screen and it was the friend I had dated briefly.

I panicked and went out into the kitchen but could hear them talking, and there was something said about some women. I heard my bf say something like the one you got off with or something to that effect. For weeks after I ws in turmoil about telling him. Some friends said not to tell him because it was none of his business, some friends said to just tell him because it was before I even met him.

I suffer from a cyst that keeps coming back. Back in September it came up over the weekend. I could barely walk. On the Sunday when he was leaving he asked what days I wanted to see him, he said he couldn't do the webnesday as he had band practise and couldn't do Thursday but didn't give a reason why. So we settled on Tues. On the Tuesday I went to the doctor because the cyst just got worse. The doctor sent me straight to the hospital, I called my friend who came with me. I told him where I was going and he offered to come to the hospital but i said there was no need as my friend was there. So I was at the hospital for 4 hours, they wnated to keep me in but i couldn't stay because I had noone to take care of my dog. They were not happy about this but told me to be at the hospital the next day at 7am to be booked in for surgery. That night when I got home, still not even able to walk, he came over. He then said... that he had been having trouble with his penis, nothing major, but that the 'tip' was always moist and it had been like this for a week or so and that he had been to the STD clinic and got tested. He said the nurse there said that it was a classic sign of chlamidia. So then he said that the last person he had slept with was in the May, and he had had no trouble since then, only now so started asking me questions about the last person I slept with. I had to tell him who it was, and he seemed really devastated. Kept asking me all sorts of questions about it. Interrogated me about why, what we did, what positions, where to bla bla bla. Asked me if he had taken any photos of me or vidoes because apparently this is something hie friend does before showing all of his mates in the pub. So he left about 1 in the morning. Np affection. He did keep asking how I was that week and the next day I was having surgery. Thursday I heard nothing ffrom him at all and then on the Friday, he asked if he could come over on the Saturday afternoon to see how I was, see if I needed and shopping and to tlk about things.

So he came over. That week when was still recovering he asked more and more questions. Saying things like I must prefer his friend more than him, must have been more comfortable with him and so on. I told him everything i remembered of it even though it was none of his business really. He was gutted about it and said that if it had been anyone else he would have just ended it and it wouldn't have bothered him so much, but I was different. So I said that I didn't even realise you knew him only until his name popped up when he rang his phone. He said what they were talking about when he called that night. The boys have a yearly holiday, a load of them go... during one of the holidays 2 years previous he and this friend met two woman who were in their 60's! They went down to the beach with them in the night. His friend and one of the women dissapeared, and he and this other 60 yr old woman up the other end of the beach. He said nothing happened other than some kissing and cuddling and that he wouldnt have done that (still ewww in my book) as he would have been 38 at the time and this woman was actually OLDER that his mother. He said that he just wanted her to have a nice night. She had jst got out of a bad mariage and said that she had never put her feet in the meditteranean so they did that. And he said I know it sounds condescending but he wanted her to have a nice night as she had never been abroad before.

Anyway.... He said that she had contacted him to say that she was visiting family in our city, she is from way up north. So they met for a drink and a catch up. So this must have been that Thursday whern he said he was busy and the night where I was bed bound, bleeding and unable to walk, the Thursday before he came down on thre Saturday to talk. This has bothered me for so long and I just think it was totally wrong.

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pumpkinmoon1 · 11/02/2016 13:02

Sorry about all the typos in that.

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