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77 replies

needingsomehelp1 · 18/12/2015 10:48

Hi, new to this so but I wondered if anyone can please give me some advice - long long and unpleasant story but I separated from wife and two children, then 6 and 10 - horrendous situation but basically they moved to New Zealand and I have had no contact with them for 14 years - I have recently seem picture on Facebook of my son, and want to make contact but am petrified as I was the villain I just know they will freak and not want contact - but I have to try. Anyone out there got idea son the best approach - so I simply Facebook or seek some other way - would appreciate help.

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lazymoz · 20/12/2015 11:23

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Muddlewitch · 20/12/2015 11:26

You need to be led by them though, don't go in with excuses/blame just a simple but heartfelt sorry and that if he ever wants to make contact you then you will be ready whenever he is, and give him your contact details.

If he chooses to get in touch then you will have the opportunity to answer any questions he may have and give your perspective. Even then though, I wouldn't stick to facts and no assumptions/accusations, just state what happened for you and how you feel, as factually as possible. Whatever you think of her actions, their mum has raised them, and their loyalty will understandably be with her. Don't say anything that could be interpreted as 'getting at' her, however hard that may be, or you will alienate them. Plus we never know what goes on in other people's heads, she was clearly very very hurt by what happened and you do not know what she might have gone through after your affair. You need to just tell them what happened for you and steer clear of anything about other people, although I appreciate that might be frustrating. They are adults now, they will work out what happened for themselves once they have all sides of the story, and make their decision about how they feel about it.

I say all this as a parent of a nearly 16 year old whose father has never bothered with him. It has affected him, especially in recent years as he got older, it hurts him quite deeply to think he doesn't matter to someone who is supposed to love him. Tread carefully. Good luck.

summerwinterton · 20/12/2015 11:38

I think you sound too angry to get in touch. You seem determined to blame everyone else but yourself. Perhaps your motives are not the best at present and you should wait until you are calmer and willing to accept some responsibility for what has happened.

R3alxmastr33 · 20/12/2015 13:35

You can request a third party to find your family or relatives

I believe the way it works is, they find the people
If found,
They ask the people if they want to make contact
You recieve a reply whether they are willing to make contact

I believe that there is a cost involved

Here is one suggestion, but you could probably find more on the internet www.look4them.org.uk/salvation-army.html

Have you thought how you would feel if they are found & do not wish to make contact with you ?

elizadofuckall · 20/12/2015 13:47

I don't know what the answer is but I know what it isn't as my ex husband hasn't seen my children (now adults) for 9 years. They absolutely hate getting unwarranted messages from him or his wife as they are full of self pitying explanations and tales of ' I thought about you every day'. This just really angers my DC. I would think that they would react better if he just said hi and that he would like to keep in contact etc and just start slowly.

MadisonMontgomery · 20/12/2015 13:55

Does the initial contact have to come through Facebook, could you write a letter or something to them? My dad left my mum for someone else & didn't bother to contact me for 5 years - if he had sent a message or friend request on Facebook I would have just deleted it. He initially got my aunt to give me a Christmas card from him with a letter explaining how he knew he had acted badly & that he would like to build a relationship, with photos of his pets, new house etc. Do your sons have any family on your side that they have kept in touch with?

Also even though my dad was bitter towards my mum (she didn't keep me from him but she told a LOT of people what he had done etc) he has never spoken badly about her to me - in the end he was the one who cheated etc & he has always taken responsibility for it. If when we had made contact he had said anything about how hard done by he was I probably wouldn't have wanted anything to do with him.

FredaMayor · 20/12/2015 14:48

Op, I really would urge caution at this stage, and for you not to make FB contact without preparation. There are ways to open dialogue that may have a chance of success and there are ways that may not. I class FB in the second group.

You have been getting advice here from posters who I fear may not understand the issues facing you, however helpful they themselves may think they are being. Please take informed, experienced advice before you do anything.

kungfupannda · 20/12/2015 14:57

I don't know what the answer is but I know what it isn't as my ex husband hasn't seen my children (now adults) for 9 years. They absolutely hate getting unwarranted messages from him or his wife as they are full of self pitying explanations and tales of ' I thought about you every day'. This just really angers my DC. I would think that they would react better if he just said hi and that he would like to keep in contact etc and just start slowly.

I agree with eliza's post.

I had no contact with my father for 20 years. If he had sent me a Facebook friend request I would have pulled this face Shock and deleted it. It's an incredibly frivolous way to initiate contact.

As it happens, contact was eventually initiated by me, after DS1 was born. It was purely a matter of courtesy on my part and I had no real stake in whether or not he replied. As it happens he did, and we now have a cordial, if extremely distant relationship. He sends presents to the kids, and we visit - in a neutral setting - once or twice a year. He has changed slightly with age, but not enough to make me want a closer relationship.

Sometimes I get intensely irritated with him. Cutesy, over-familiar 'daughter' cards are one thing. Faintly accusing voicemail messages about not having heard for a while and being worried - usually followed up by another one 5 minutes later, since he clearly hasn't figured out that voicemail messages aren't transmitted directly into the recipient's head the second they are recorded - are another. Perhaps these are unfair reactions on my part, but it is what it is. He didn't bother for 20 years and I was the one who made the initial approach, and yet he can't wait 5 minutes for a response.

I would approach with extreme caution if you don't want your children to react in a similar way. I would not have reacted well to a casual friend request on Facebook. I would not have reacted well to a self-flagellating 'woe is me' type approach. I would have reacted extremely badly to any attempt to justify or blame others for his long absence.

If you are serious about building bridges then I would suggest a formal, matter-of-fact approach. A letter would be best. Just provide your contact details, acknowledge that a great deal of time has passed and things ended badly for the family relationship, and ask them to make contact if they wish to do so. Make it clear that you will not push the issue if they choose not to pursue a relationship but that you would be pleased if they did, and that any contact will be on their terms. Nothing that could be taken as undue pressure or emotional blackmail. Not too much about how sad it makes you feel. Keep it simple and honest.

And you need to be prepared for the fact that, even if they make contact, you may never have anything more than a cordial relationship. Sometimes that ship has just sailed. Children can be far more resilient than we might expect. I was. I was sad for a while, and wondered why my father didn't love me as much as my friends were loved by their fathers. And then I got over it and moved on.

Sorry if this isn't the soft-focus, lovey-dovey sort of personal story you were hoping for, but you need to be realistic about the fact that there are several ways that this could go - and not all of them involve happy endings. Your children are the wronged parties in all of this, and now they are adults and they have the right to choose the shape of any relationship they have with you. From the tone of your posts I do have some concerns about how you might approach the situation, and how they might be made to feel as a result.

Tread very carefully.

RaptorInaPorkPieHat · 20/12/2015 15:07

I wouldn't personally contact via FB. I'd dig deeper (you know what name they're using, they may have their hometown listed in their details) and try and find their address and write a proper letter.

Getit · 20/12/2015 15:09

I hope your kids tell you to piss off!!
You clearly have no understanding of what you did to them and how your actions changed their lives and shaped their personalities forever.
You chose an affair over them.

RaptorInaPorkPieHat · 20/12/2015 15:10

Although, thinking on it, if a relative I had no contact with sent a letter out of the blue to my home address it would proper freak me out that they know where I live.

Maybe through an intermediary would be better.

honeyroar · 20/12/2015 15:20

Getit we don't know anything about what went on. One of my best friends has a son who doesn't see his dad. His dad is pathetic and didn't try hard enough, but my friend was pretty awful herself and did everything possible to make it difficult for him. Same with another friend. If you throw in thousands of miles of distance and an awkward parent it must be even harder. To me, to punish a partner by taking the kids, moving 1000s of miles and making contact difficult does not make the story one sided. I'm not siding with him, but the mother played a big part in the children losing their dad too imo.

I'm also on another forum where there is a 20yr old girl desperate to know something about her dad and make contact again. If the guy on here doesn't try the children will never have the chance to decide for themselves, even if it's in the future..

Getit · 20/12/2015 16:07

I know how my kids feel and how it changed them!
I know how my youngest has severe separation anxiety as she believes that people / families can just disappear from your life. And I know how my eldest has so much anger and hatred to a man that helped create her. And lets not start on the lack of trust ......

I

Getit · 20/12/2015 16:09

The op has done too little too late

manandbeast · 20/12/2015 16:29

Just write to them and apologise.

Don't make excuses but tell them you can explain if they want you to. Tell them you know you behaved badly and that there will be no real explanation that makes it ok. Tell them you didn't want them to leave and tried to fight to keep them but it was the wrong thing to do.

Tell them you understand they might be angry, but that you want to try to have a relationship with them. Tell them that you always have.

Let them know that you are prepared to give them all the space and time they need to come to a decision.

Let them know you are prepared for them to be angry and / or ask a lot of questions. And that you'll do your best to answer honestly.

You'll need to be very clear with your partner that you need to do this in your own way and in a way that is right for your kids. Be strong in that.

They will no doubt wonder when you do t want them any now and I'm sure even if they seem angry initially they will be glad you so want a relationship with them after all.

elizadofuckall · 20/12/2015 17:37

manandbeast when my DC get messages like that... 'He understands they will be angry, may have questions' etc they just switch off and delete it. They do not care if he understands and they don't need permission from their father to feel what they feel. ( I am telling you this from the view point of my children, not my own)

This is a real go slow thing. Initiate contact if you want, then wait for the response. They may or may not be pleased to hear from you.

Elendon · 20/12/2015 18:49

Your children are now at the age where they may well want to find out who you are. I'd wait until they contacted you. If they don't want to contact you then you have to accept it.

I'd advise you to wait. They are adults now.

Elendon · 20/12/2015 18:54

Also get two cards, write down your apologies to each child, date it and photograph it. Do it tomorrow. You can show them this when/if you get in contact.

It's entirely up to them. They might actually really love their step dad very much and feel that to be in contact with you is to be disloyal to him.

needingsomehelp1 · 20/12/2015 21:35

Thanks to everyone - all I'm trying to do is find the best way to contact them without making it worse - I doubt there will be a fairy tale ending, that I'll ever see them, but if I do nothing where does that get me, or as someone said, them - just to know that I do care. To all, thanks. Yes I will heed the advise, seek out other forums and try to do this slowly and correctly which is why I started this - I don't know what to do, so I'm seeking advice and help.

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FredaMayor · 21/12/2015 14:52

I wish you fair tides and following seas, OP.

manandbeast · 21/12/2015 17:02

eliza

You may be right actually.

I was thinking of when my own dad left what words he used with me - but perhaps I did switch off to those platitudes.

manandbeast · 21/12/2015 17:05

But one thing I would say is this:

It hurts when your dad leaves at 8, but it doesn't stop hurting when you're 28 or 38 and for that reason it's never too late to make contact.

Better that they have an explanation and contact now than never.

I'm speaking about my own experience really - and completely see that others might have had different experiences , or felt differently about absent dad's.

WhoooshFlooosh · 21/12/2015 17:43

But... But.... If the DCs wanted contact with the op surely they would have contacted him?

They are young adults, tis a small world even when thousands of miles away. With all this social media & t'internet won't it's very easy to trace people.

I hope to God op does not send a Fb message to his Dc a few days before Christmas. It may well appease his guilt - a truly selfish act, but in his op he acknowledges that they would freak out & not want contact.

WhoooshFlooosh · 21/12/2015 17:49

Why now?

TimeToMuskUp · 21/12/2015 18:01

It's a slightly different backstory but I was raised in foster care and then adopted at 10. My birth Dad had opportunity to care for me when I was in care and refused, no contact for years until he became dreadfully ill with cancer 18 months ago (I'm now 34) when he announced - via Facebook - that he was a) dying and b) hoping to see my young sons (he'd looked through my profile photos and, essentially, watched them growing up through my profile).

I can't even begin to explain the utter madness, but suffice to say if I'd wanted contact I'd have initiated it. Coming through Facebook was incredibly, crass, incredibly intrusive and not a little trite, as though you can simply friend request a child you simply gave up on years ago. He died last summer and even now, I haven't had a moment of regret at refusing contact. My Dad is the man who took me on, raised me with love, kindness and honesty and spent his life making sure I had every chance at happiness. Not some bloke who walked away without a backwards glance.

It's easy to judge you and say what a mess you've made, and you've had enough of that, op. But I hope, for your children's sakes, that they've had a good, stable, happy life without you, and that they are able to deal with what you are going to bring to their door without finding it too upsetting. Take it slowly and don't expect anything; just tell them how dreadfully sorry you are, and that if ever they want to take the time to know you, you'll be there waiting.