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I'm not sure if I'm being manipulated, abused, or if I'm crazy. Lately I don't enjoy being around him

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Dorsetmama · 07/12/2015 09:20

I'll try to keep to the relevant information here.... Some back story is needed.

Years ago, 15 to be exact, I suffered a trauma. My mental health was affected and nothing was ever resolved relating to the trauma. I self harmed for years since then. I was also physically and emotionally abused by my mother and stepfather. More so from my stepfather.
I met the father of my children when i was 20, shortly fell pregnant so I finally had a good reason to move out. I was with my ex for 6 years and we had 4 children - sadly he was abusive in other ways. No respect for me, wasted all of our money to the point of eviction and then almost a second eviction before i finally got rid of him, after he cheated on me with a school mum.

A year later, i met my DP. convinced i had finally found the one. He wasn't phased by my 4 unruly kids, all 6 and under, and he seemed to adore me.

He accepted my self harm and mental health problems. Coaxed me to open up to him, tell him all. I did. Then he said the problems were too big and i needed professional help. I sought it, only to get let down by the system... Long story short my paperwork was lost. I waited a year from then for treatment to start. In the meantime things got quite bad. He was continuously wanting to know my every thought, the reason behind every mood. He knew I suffered badly with PMT but could never let me be. He would go into these long sulks where he would disappear into the bedroom for days just leaving me to suddenly cope on my own. He became really strict and controlling over my kids. Which i tried to believe they needed a firm hand... But when it got to him making them pick up lentils from the floor as a punishment i knew it had gone too far.

He smoked too much weed.

We booked a holiday to Italy his home country, for the following summer. And then i fell pregnant. I was quite happy. In the good moments, we had talked about a baby and he said i was the only woman he'd ever wanted to have a baby with in his life, so not even his ex wife! But he was devastated by the news. He said we werent ready. He assumed i would think the same. Then when i expressed i didn't, after alot of arguing he told me if i had the baby he probably wouldn't leave, but he would pretend it didnt exist. He wouldn't help me through the pregnancy. I saw no option. I couldn't be a mother of 4 boys, on my own, with a pregnancy to cope with... And then a baby. It wasn't how i wanted it. So i agreed to abort. But i had to wait until after the holiday. So i had to spend 3 more weeks pregnant getting all the symptoms. It was hell. He came with me to the abortion which i thought was quite supportive. But he complained that the women working there were looking at him badly.

6 months later we moved to a new town. It was hard on everyone. I have one child who is autistic and it was most hard on him.

Things hit rock bottom. We argued every single day. Things got violent though not at each other. Apart from one day. I accidentally hit him when flailing my arms during another heated argument when he was in my face, and he called the police. Then i ended up almost arrested. I think they could tell he lied to them... As he told them i punched him. Walked over to him and punched him.

It all seems to stupid now. He left for a bit after that. Social services got involved but they were satisfied i was okay and the kids were fine.
He was gone 3 months. He stopped the smoking just before he left as i stopped letting him have money for it.

He didn't work you see. As soon as he moved in with me (6 months after we had met) he stopped working.
But he got a job when he moved out. He went 300 miles away. We talked alot and agreed some things needed to change. He came back after 3 months. Promises of no more smoking and getting a job. So far, 6 months later, he smokes again and theres no job. We just live on benefits.

I still want the baby. Some days. I sometimes think it will make me happy enough to not care about the stuff he does.

He is not as strict with the kids now, but some stuff still happens that i dont like. But he says i need to treat him as if the kids are his own, otherwise its not fair. He says i can't just pick and choose when i want his help or advice. He says he doesn't have to check on me so why should I check on him?

He says he wants a baby lots now, we talk about names and everything, but we have to wait. I feel like he uses it as a bargaining tool. Every time i have a bad moment, we have to wait longer for it.

I finally got treatment for my problems, a great psychologist really helped me since we moved, and i feel much better.
But my DP met my psychologist and doesn't like him. Doesn't like the suggestions he made about our relationship problems, and even accused him of fancying me.

I must admit lately, i have been less patient with his moods. Less patient with his lack of activity, and lack of motivation. I get exasperated that he naps every day. I get annoyed that he never does much around here.

I'd like to change my lifestyle, I'd like to drive. I've always wanted to drive. And he never has. Until i express the desire to and now he wants to learn simultaneously... Making it almost impossible to pay for both of us and save for a car.... Maybe it seems trivial?

I hope i didnt jump around too much... Does this all make sense?

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Dorsetmama · 09/01/2016 20:34

I keep meaning to do the freedom programme.

Then we have a heartfelt conversation and i suddenly feel better.
Yesterday i told him i wasn't very happy in the relationship and he couldn't have been more nice about it. Until i brought up the past....

I know he wont change.
I think im scared of being alone, coping alone.

Ive got £100 saved now though, for the escape.

I know what i have to do regarding the tenancy now as well.
I have to somehow sort out the mobile phone thing.

I will have to cancel my bank card when i tell him, as it is linked to some of his stuff, like a Netflix account and Amazon. But thats not hard to do.

Ive got to get through his mum staying with us for 10 days, which is going to be difficult. He is extra worse around his mum, more sulky, more uptight, plus she doesnt speak english.

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summerwinterton · 09/01/2016 20:45

It is the cycle of abuse - no abuser is abusive all of the time. If they were you would never stay. But the nice parts is what keeps you with them. The nice part should be all of the time - not just part of the time and enough to keep you hooked and convinced that you are wrong and the fault is all yours. The way he behaves is calculated to keep you in his thrall and to convince you he is right and you are wrong. And it is still working, but the strength of his control over you is weakening. Hence the thoughtful gifts, the gaslighting, the blaming you for the woes and faults in the relationship. This is all designed to keep you down and under his spell.

Just remember the only acceptable level of abuse is zero.

Just tell him your account has been compromised and the bank are sending new card and pin - and do not give them to him. Or tell your bank he has your card and you want a new one.

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Dorsetmama · 13/01/2016 02:35

He was like a hyperactive child today, playful, energetic.... Ive come to notice he goes through these periods of active hyper happiness, gradually peaking over a couple of weeks at the most, and then he sort of crashes and his mood becomes volatile, challenging, angry, etc

He's going to crash right when his Mother is staying... Right when I will have PMT... It's going to be pretty awful. Everything feels worse with PMT anyway but he's like a heat seeking missile during those times even in his best moods, he will be much worse.

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summerwinterton · 13/01/2016 14:31

can you cancel her visit?

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Dorsetmama · 13/01/2016 20:44

She hasnt seen him since March last year. And she's already paid for her ticket.

I'll have to deal with it.
But tbh, im not afraid anymore of "making a fuss" about the way he treats me.
I keep thinking "i saved £100 in less than one month. I'll definitely be clear £250 by the time she's gone." the bonus is only that the kids really like her, so at least they get to see her one more time

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OnceAMeerNotAlwaysAMeer · 14/01/2016 09:04

you're doing great dorset Really are.

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Barmaid101 · 14/01/2016 12:29

Delurking to say you are doing brilliant! Stay strong

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Dorsetmama · 14/01/2016 14:49

Thank you

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Dorsetmama · 18/01/2016 13:18

God, this morning was another of "those" mornings.

He let me lie in. I never fully take this as a "wow, thank you for thinking of me" moment...more as a way of control. He got annoyed cos the kids woke me up. I never care.

My second born was being a bit of a pain, was all day yesterday tbh....this morning apparently no different. He was sat downstairs playing with a spoon in his cereal bowl because OH had said he must finish all the milk in the bottom. Always a contradiction...I never make him finish it, because it isnt that important plus he hates the sweet taste of milk. OH always insists every crumb has gone from the plate.

I said "just 5 spoonfuls then" and helped him along with it....then OH took them on the school run. Nothing too eventful after that.

We had to meet at the bank and then go to Sainsburys for a top up shop. Was ok, until a weird thing at the checkout. I was chatting about why i was worried I would be late, (putting a wash on, locking up, turning off lights etc) and he commented on how it was a first as I always just forget those things....I took it as banter and laughed and then he told a story of how one day I had forgotten to lock up completely. I hit back (bantery as I thought) with a story just the same, one day he didnt lock up, and he suddenly turned sour and said "well, it was probably your fault. you were probably last out the door that day" Eh, What?? Then, I got the silent treatment all the way home. 30 minute walk. Apart from one look back to me when he said "Hurry up, Im already walking slowly enough"

Grrrrr.............

I wish I could get out sooner. I know, I could just tell him tomorrow or even today I dont want him anymore - but I am too worried where it will leave me financially as I said before.

Im trying my best to be normal with him, and I pretty much managed to force down the negative feelings I have for him and pretend away like the best West End actor youve seen...except when his mood changes, I no longer feel like putting my head down, or trying to appease him - I want to scream at him to get out of my house and never darken my door again.

And Im beginning to hate the way he is accusing me of being the abuser. Every bit of strength i have against him - Im mean. Every disgareement - Im unstable.

UGH. I have had ENOUGH.

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jumpthebroomstick · 18/01/2016 14:27

Hello. Having read all of your backstory and the preceding comments, it is pretty clear that the incident this morning was intended once again to make you feel insecure and in the wrong. Keep on the way you are going, and get your finances in place. You are stronger than you believe, and you can get through this. When it is finally over and he's gone you can start rebuilding your self-respect, and confidence. We're all here to support. Good luck

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OnceAMeerNotAlwaysAMeer · 18/01/2016 15:18

If you can, don't say anything to him in arguments or in kinder moments, either.

If you can, and it's difficult, detach. Observe him as a stranger. Grieve privately for what could have been if he'd been a different version of what he actually is and then deal with him as he actually is.

The less you let him affect you, the better. He'll see you have detached, but that can be dealt with (it might even bring on a romantic wooing phase, which you can equallly detach from because you know that it's not the real him, it's only a phase).

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TrafficJunkie · 18/01/2016 16:13

He's been through that phase already. Twice.

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mum2mum99 · 18/01/2016 16:22

Dorset it seems you are beginning to see through the fog. Well done and we are here for you

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TrafficJunkie · 18/01/2016 16:49

Btw i am dorsetmama. Name change!

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TrafficJunkie · 22/01/2016 12:46

Ehh. What should i do now?? He has taken a turn for the worse re his MH issues.... He keeps saying there is no solution and he has such dark things in his thoughts that if he was honest with anyone about them, they would lock him up in an institution. I've asked him to tell me what these thoughts are and he refuses to. I told him he should be honest with the Steps to Wellbeing people when he goes to his first appointment but he refuses to.

Should i be concerned? About me and the kids? Hes not doing anything odd... But his moods have been more changeable lately. Right now he is in bed. Been there for a couple hours.

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OnceAMeerNotAlwaysAMeer · 22/01/2016 18:40

traffic this is a really hard thing. Really hard.

I think that if he will not engage, you actually can't do much more. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Old boring proverb, but true.

Right now he seems to be doing anything for a reaction from you. The cold treatment, talking about 'dark thoughts' etc. He sounds incredibly manipulative, MH issues or not.

Are you concerned that he might do something to himself or to you?

if it's that you're concerned he might do something to himself then talk to the doctor.

If you're concerned that he might do something to you and the children, other posters may be able to help you more but I think that you should again talk to the GP and maybe to the police? If you are starting to get worried, maybe it's nothing but also maybe it's something.

Whatever else, imo now you need to ensure that your finances are separate and your vital documents are in a safe place and that you make definite plans to separate.

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TrafficJunkie · 22/01/2016 18:55

I have. I've told him its over as of this afternoon. Ive told him I'd like him gone within a week. We haven't discussed it yet, or the particulars pertaining to breaking up.... All thats happened is him calling me every vile name under the sun and telling me i am a nasty, cold hearted little bitch and the worst person he has ever met. Way to go for making me feel like a piece of shit.

Its very emotional for me at the moment. He was talking to his mum earlier but as they are Italian i have no idea what he's doing as yet.

Right now he's in the shed smoking weed.

Tomorrow I'm going out for the morning with the kids, so i shall take some stuff with me that is important and give them to my mum to hold on to.

I've also got to get my phone off him.... Im stuck paying it for another year and a half.

I'll have to hide my bank card tonight in case he takes it and withdraws money.

I wanted to be more prepared than this, but something inside me snapped when he asked if there would be any consequences if he chose to stay upstairs away from the kids this afternoon. Thats when it all happened, after he said that. How dare he pretend im the problem?? Its us walking on eggshells around him, not the other way around.

Hes now saying he thinks he was abused as a child. I don't believe him for one second. I think he is making it up, I can tell by something in his face, and something by the way he tells the story. which is very low not just because I was abused as a child... But because you don't make stuff up like that.

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TrafficJunkie · 22/01/2016 20:34

Bumping for support Chocolate

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TrafficJunkie · 22/01/2016 22:07

Tonight he has commandeered the bedroom. I don't want to sleep next to him. So im on the sofa.
So glad I'm going out tomorrow. I need to make a plan for the following week.... What does anyone think? Should i give him money to help him leave quicker?

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OnceAMeerNotAlwaysAMeer · 22/01/2016 22:42

I don't know if you should give him money or not ... would it work, or would he just try to leech more and more off you and still stay?

You do need to get that phone off him and sort out separate finances as much as possible. He sounds less than stable and could get very nasty.

Planning is probably your best way forward. Take care Flowers

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TrafficJunkie · 22/01/2016 22:50

I dont know how. If he by some miracle leaves tomorrow whilst I'm out thrn he will just take it with him. Maybe i should wait for him to fall asleep and just take it and hide it?? Then I'd have to deal with the fall out though.
If i ask him for it, he will say no.

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FaithAscending · 22/01/2016 23:08

Traffic I've just read the full thread and want to say well done! Well done for seeing him for what he is. Well done for saving up the money you have. Well done for telling him to go.

I'd be careful about giving him money, he could well keep coming back for more. Certainly don't offer it in the first instance. Stay strong now, I suspect he'll do the reverse compliments thing tomorrow I love you - even though you don't deserve it etc. You can see this through and have a better life for you and your kids Thanks

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RunRabbitRunRabbit · 22/01/2016 23:12

If he won't give the phone back then report it as stolen.

Refusing to give you your phone back genuinely is stealing.

Tell him you'll do that and he will probably give it back. Or throw it at you while swearing about what a cow you are for not giving him free stuff any more.

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RunRabbitRunRabbit · 22/01/2016 23:13

What do you mean by deal with the fall out?

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TrafficJunkie · 22/01/2016 23:26

Well.... If i take the phone tonight when he is sleeping, then tomorrow he wakes up without it he won't be happy!! Then he will yell and storm around, demand it back, etc....

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