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I'm not sure if I'm being manipulated, abused, or if I'm crazy. Lately I don't enjoy being around him

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Dorsetmama · 07/12/2015 09:20

I'll try to keep to the relevant information here.... Some back story is needed.

Years ago, 15 to be exact, I suffered a trauma. My mental health was affected and nothing was ever resolved relating to the trauma. I self harmed for years since then. I was also physically and emotionally abused by my mother and stepfather. More so from my stepfather.
I met the father of my children when i was 20, shortly fell pregnant so I finally had a good reason to move out. I was with my ex for 6 years and we had 4 children - sadly he was abusive in other ways. No respect for me, wasted all of our money to the point of eviction and then almost a second eviction before i finally got rid of him, after he cheated on me with a school mum.

A year later, i met my DP. convinced i had finally found the one. He wasn't phased by my 4 unruly kids, all 6 and under, and he seemed to adore me.

He accepted my self harm and mental health problems. Coaxed me to open up to him, tell him all. I did. Then he said the problems were too big and i needed professional help. I sought it, only to get let down by the system... Long story short my paperwork was lost. I waited a year from then for treatment to start. In the meantime things got quite bad. He was continuously wanting to know my every thought, the reason behind every mood. He knew I suffered badly with PMT but could never let me be. He would go into these long sulks where he would disappear into the bedroom for days just leaving me to suddenly cope on my own. He became really strict and controlling over my kids. Which i tried to believe they needed a firm hand... But when it got to him making them pick up lentils from the floor as a punishment i knew it had gone too far.

He smoked too much weed.

We booked a holiday to Italy his home country, for the following summer. And then i fell pregnant. I was quite happy. In the good moments, we had talked about a baby and he said i was the only woman he'd ever wanted to have a baby with in his life, so not even his ex wife! But he was devastated by the news. He said we werent ready. He assumed i would think the same. Then when i expressed i didn't, after alot of arguing he told me if i had the baby he probably wouldn't leave, but he would pretend it didnt exist. He wouldn't help me through the pregnancy. I saw no option. I couldn't be a mother of 4 boys, on my own, with a pregnancy to cope with... And then a baby. It wasn't how i wanted it. So i agreed to abort. But i had to wait until after the holiday. So i had to spend 3 more weeks pregnant getting all the symptoms. It was hell. He came with me to the abortion which i thought was quite supportive. But he complained that the women working there were looking at him badly.

6 months later we moved to a new town. It was hard on everyone. I have one child who is autistic and it was most hard on him.

Things hit rock bottom. We argued every single day. Things got violent though not at each other. Apart from one day. I accidentally hit him when flailing my arms during another heated argument when he was in my face, and he called the police. Then i ended up almost arrested. I think they could tell he lied to them... As he told them i punched him. Walked over to him and punched him.

It all seems to stupid now. He left for a bit after that. Social services got involved but they were satisfied i was okay and the kids were fine.
He was gone 3 months. He stopped the smoking just before he left as i stopped letting him have money for it.

He didn't work you see. As soon as he moved in with me (6 months after we had met) he stopped working.
But he got a job when he moved out. He went 300 miles away. We talked alot and agreed some things needed to change. He came back after 3 months. Promises of no more smoking and getting a job. So far, 6 months later, he smokes again and theres no job. We just live on benefits.

I still want the baby. Some days. I sometimes think it will make me happy enough to not care about the stuff he does.

He is not as strict with the kids now, but some stuff still happens that i dont like. But he says i need to treat him as if the kids are his own, otherwise its not fair. He says i can't just pick and choose when i want his help or advice. He says he doesn't have to check on me so why should I check on him?

He says he wants a baby lots now, we talk about names and everything, but we have to wait. I feel like he uses it as a bargaining tool. Every time i have a bad moment, we have to wait longer for it.

I finally got treatment for my problems, a great psychologist really helped me since we moved, and i feel much better.
But my DP met my psychologist and doesn't like him. Doesn't like the suggestions he made about our relationship problems, and even accused him of fancying me.

I must admit lately, i have been less patient with his moods. Less patient with his lack of activity, and lack of motivation. I get exasperated that he naps every day. I get annoyed that he never does much around here.

I'd like to change my lifestyle, I'd like to drive. I've always wanted to drive. And he never has. Until i express the desire to and now he wants to learn simultaneously... Making it almost impossible to pay for both of us and save for a car.... Maybe it seems trivial?

I hope i didnt jump around too much... Does this all make sense?

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Dorsetmama · 20/12/2015 23:55

Thanks for everyone on here replying and taking time to give me advice.
I just have to get Christmas out of the way where i have to play nic. Its so hard and i feel deceitful.
But I'll be worse off if i am unprepared.

How does anyone recommend getting through his "notice period"? As in, all the questioning, the asking to reconsider, the arguments about property, trying to get my phone back, money talk, etc? Is it better if i have someone around to sort of be my back up?

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Dorsetmama · 21/12/2015 21:52

Today was a horrible day.
He ended the day complaining i dont spend enough time listening to his problems and i have been cold and uncaring the last few months. He reminded me he wants to grow old with me and see my face when i am old. He reminded me he is "there for me" all the time. I started to feel guilty and like a bad person.... Then stopped myself!!! I remembered he is only"there" so he can further manipulate me.

Hes gone to bed early now. Tomorrow we are taking the kids out, hes going food shopping im taking them to see a film, a little pre Christmas treat. Distraction too, for me.
Ugh. Im not going to forget this Christmas in a hurry.

Come Jan, im aiming for £30 a week stowed away on the ruse for new clothes i need, telling him id love a big spree instead of dribs and drabs, seeing as its the equivalent of what he spends on himself i shouldn't meet sn argument about it. Although i will have to dip into it sometimes for stuff for the kids, but i think i can lean on family for that.

When he is gone, i will be at least £50 a week better off, which means finally getting a car i so desperately need around here. (nightmare getting to SN kids appointments)

I feel i will be less anxious about a lot of stuff.
I think i will be worse with some things.
But overall better off. Much better off.
I just have to resist jumping headlong into the next relationship.

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buckingfrolicks · 21/12/2015 22:18

you are doing so well Dorset, I'm really impressed with your clear thinking. He sounds appalling - a user in all senses of the word.

You will be much much better off without him, I believe. Your kids will get over it, honestly they will. You sound like a terrific mother and human being and I wish you well.

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Dorsetmama · 22/12/2015 06:42

Thank you :)
Im glad of the extra support on here.

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DoreenLethal · 22/12/2015 08:34

How does anyone recommend getting through his "notice period"? As in, all the questioning, the asking to reconsider, the arguments about property, trying to get my phone back, money talk, etc? Is it better if i have someone around to sort of be my back up?

I think a good preparation would be to clarify your position on these things here.
A - do you want to reconsider anything?
B - what are the arguments about property?
C - you can tell him that if he doesn't hand it over, then you will simply call it in as lost - his call.
D - what are the arguments about money?
E - have you got anyone to be around as your back up?

Why can you not just tell him to go now? In rental situations, it's not as if you have a mortgage to pay or a property to sell.

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Dorsetmama · 22/12/2015 18:07

Hi... Im a bit worried about finances because he left for a 3 month period, and, as a full time carer to my autistic son, i claim benefits.... During the period he left i changed my claim and it took many many weeks for money to come through. So i wanted to save a bit up first, so i have it.

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Dorsetmama · 22/12/2015 18:13

A - no, but he will ask me to. In desperate times when i have nearly ended it, he persuaded me not to.
B - The usual about possessions. He took alot of stuff before that doesn't belong to him, or I feel it doesnt. I know thats trivial compared to the circumstances.
C - OK, i can do that. I still end up paying for something that he can still potentially use.
D - HE WILL tell me that he is entitled to some of the cash that comes in whilst he is still here. I can't change the claim until he moves out, because it would be illegal.
E - Not really. Its not easy for my family to come here, and certainly not at the drop of a hat.

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Dorsetmama · 22/12/2015 18:14

I meant that before he leaves I'd like to be financially prepared... Plus, its Christmas and one of my DS birthday coming up in January. I didn't want to marr those.

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Dorsetmama · 26/12/2015 23:23

I put aside some money today. First £30.
Christmas Day was quite hard. He got me some thoughtful presents and something meaningful.. A padlock to put on a bridge in a large city we once visited. That made me cry.
He keeps telling me how much he loves me and how wonderful he thinks i am.... I know it's part of the cycle, but I just feel so guilt ridden.

Also, im afraid of being alone. I get anxious alot and although he doesn't offer direct comfort, just another adult in the house can make me feel better.

Sometimes i think i cant meet someone all over again. Also my kids will hate me for my decision, despite it being better for them, they won't see it that way.

I know i need to stick to what is surely the best decision, but im so afraid of the fallout. I hope i can cope. I don't want to be a crying mess around my kids. I don't want to be stressed with them because I suddenly have too much to do. They're going to be a bit wild behaviour wise when he leaves.... I don't know how to cope with that. When he went temporarily i wad pretty lax with the "old rules" and came up with a new plan over a few weeks time...

So many thingd whizzing around in my head.

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buckingfrolicks · 29/12/2015 00:32

I'm not surprised you're anxious - there's a huge amount on your shoulders and most of it is unknown at this stage. You kids will NOT hate you, they will understand even if it takes some time. Part of being a parent is doing the things that are right to do, by your kids - even when they don't see it that way

You can do it - you came up with new rules when you were alone, you'll do it again, and then you'l lfind that those 'new rules' and new way of life become your new family rules. There are so many women on MN who leave these kinds of vile men, and who don't regret it - it will get easier and better once things start actually changing for you.

You've done well to save money, that's a terrific start. Flowers

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Atenco · 29/12/2015 03:18

If you like having another adult in the house, is it feasible to get a lodger?

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IDismyname · 29/12/2015 03:42

I've just found your thread, Dorsetmama and I think you are doing a great job. Just keep your head down, and keep saving. We are all right behind you.
He needs to go.

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Dorsetmama · 31/12/2015 16:56

Thanks a lot ladies. I hope I gain more confidence as time goes past.

It means a lot to know i have support on here, even if it is anonymous.
I have told my family exactly what's been happening and they are behind me.
I also told a RL friend, which helped immensely. I can't count on her for much as she lives in a different town, but I think she could help sometimes.

Ive set my goal to the end of February. Really hoping to be sorted by then. If not, I'll still go for it.

Driving will probably have to wait though, despite it being an important part of my independence, it is expensive to start snd impossible whilst saving for my new start.

I think I'll do a lot of my sadness for the loss of whatever good parts I do have with him, before it ends... Which is quite helpful as it means less stress when I have to tell him.

Tenancy wise, tbh i wouldn't want someone i didnt know residing with me and the kids.

Im just apprehensive about how to actually tell him, and how to get him to leave. Im sure I'm over thinking it, and it probably won't be as bad as i imagine... It's just last time, when everything was awful just before he left, he made life pretty unbearable until he went.
And as I can't rely on the children's father to take care of the children so they aren't around when it happens, im a bit stuck.

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Dorsetmama · 05/01/2016 19:28

Ive got £80 now! Thats good isnt it?!
Im finding the game REALLY hard though.
Im trying to keep my head down, but when i need to say something i cant just not.
Plus he keeps on having all these conversations with me about "us" always seeming to want to evoke emotion, i think he enjoys seeing me cry because it makes him feel loved and special or something.

He wants us to go to Relate he announced today. Because we were disagreeing over who should start driving lessons first.... (obviously he doesn't know my plan of escape and that being the main reason for me going first)
When i am in a happy mood he proclaims "ah, you're back!!!"
It feels so patronising.

I just got a bit cross about the way he spoke to one of my kids, and i said I needed 5 minutes and then we didnt have to talk about it, (seeing as i knew i wouldn't get anywhere and my kid was ok) but he wouldn't let it lie. When i told him why, he got quite annoyed and defended himself, justifed himself, told me he wasnt horrid to the kid, then ehen i wouldn't back down, he resorted to reminding me of "the hundreds of times" ive lost my temper with the kid.
Whilst i do sometimes lose control, its not that often.

He looks quite scary when ranting, i would imagine completely different to me, he is a tall man and has a severe face if that makes sense.

Now he is sulking in the shed and texting me so we can talk about it in a minute.

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mum2mum99 · 05/01/2016 19:37

The freedom programme can help you to answer your questions about 'Why do people do this though? Why am i choosing these types? or the book 'Why does he do that by Lundy Bancroft'.
You deserve better Dorset.
Violence, laziness, this is not true love...

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Dorsetmama · 07/01/2016 21:39

Feeling really sorry for myself today. He's gone to the pub to see a friend who travels who he hasn't seen for a year. He never goes out.
Its not that, its that im here on my Todd and I suddenly realised that I'm going to be alone every night for a while soon, and, also, I'm going to miss him.
Is that wrong?? Should i not miss him at all when he leaves!? Does it mean if I do that maybe its all my fault he behaves like he does, and he can't be that bad?
This is confusing me.
These sudden pangs of lonliness, guilt, and sadness at never seeing him again after he has gone are just awful.
Im sobbing into my coconut macaroons.

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OnceAMeerNotAlwaysAMeer · 07/01/2016 21:48

YOu feel as you feel, there's no good or bad about emotions, it's how you deal with it. No one is all bad all the time. You're bound to miss the good bits. But the bad here really sounds like it outweighs the good.

Does it mean if I do that maybe its all my fault he behaves like he does, and he can't be that bad?

You know better than that.

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OnceAMeerNotAlwaysAMeer · 07/01/2016 21:48

But buy in some more macaroons if they help, and curl up with a good book / film / whatever.

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Anniegetyourgun · 07/01/2016 22:01

It's like that peculiar feeling you get when you stop banging your head against a brick wall. You kind of miss it in a way, but you'd be a damn' fool to keep on doing it.

Mm, macaroons.

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Dorsetmama · 07/01/2016 22:08

Thank you, and yes you are both right.

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Dorsetmama · 08/01/2016 00:08

They were mrs crimbles macaroons

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mum2mum99 · 08/01/2016 13:19

Yum!
Take this as an opportunity to do the things you never did when you were with him. Being single DOES have advantages too!
You are doing fantastic by the way.

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Dorsetmama · 09/01/2016 19:28

I am looking forward to it in a lot of ways.

Today was a bit rubbish.
Just had an argument which went from a misunderstanding to me being a "mean spirited bitch, incapable of being nice when it counts" and him telkibg me the appropriate phrases to use whilst apologising. I ended up using one phrase to end the arguing. All the while i felt controlled and guilty.
It was only a flip comment, perhaps a little thoughtless but he knows me well enough to know i would never had meant it badly.

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OnceAMeerNotAlwaysAMeer · 09/01/2016 20:22

sounds like he's rather ramping up the pressure to get you into that Stepford mold ...

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summerwinterton · 09/01/2016 20:22

I a, so glad you are getting rid. His manipulation really is Olympic medal.

Freedom Programme is online too btw

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