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Should I leave with our 6 month old?

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babyoven32 · 12/09/2015 20:53

We argue more than I feel is healthy. If I'm honest with myself I've never felt very secure in his feelings for me. He rarely tells me he loves me and this has always sat uncomfortably with me, despite the excuses I make for him. It's the unresolved issue in our relationship and he usually just says it's because he isn't that way inclined.

Just over a year ago we found out I was pregnant (unplanned). I was scared to tell my DP. 5 days after doing the test, I finally plucked up the courage to tell him. We were living apart having previously lived together at the time. He sold his house and moved back to his parents, whilst I moved into rented so we could buy something together. Our circumstances weren't ideal, but financially we were in a strong position. At first, when I broke the news, he was lovely - gave me a huge hug and said everything was going to be okay and that it was a good thing. We went along to the pub next door for a drink as planned and I left after his first pint to go and finish getting dinner ready. On his return his attitude towards the news had done a 360 and the months that followed can only be described as some of the worst months of my life.

Firstly he blamed me. Said I did it on purpose. Said I'd ruined his life - he didn't want any of this. He threw things and smashed some of my things. He also raised a previous termination that I'd had with a former partner 8 years prior (the other worst months of my life - cheating, lying, scumbag - which I found out after agreeing to terminate our pregnancy) which he knows I consider to be the biggest mistake of my life, a decision that haunts me everyday, and used it as a weapon to attack me with - telling me I'm fucked up because of my past and that I was taking it out on him. He made me feel judged and like a piece of shit. He then walked out.

It didn't get any better. He spent the rest of my pregnancy in a mood, either giving me silent treatment or telling me he hated me and that I'd ruined his life. I kept asking why he didn't just leave if he didn't want any of this and he just said he had no choice. He makes out to the rest of the world that he's this loving, caring man, but unfortunately that isn't the case. He has always been a big drinker and this side of him got worse. I felt lost, lonely and embarrassed. I hid my heartache to start with, but by Christmas I crumbled and opened up to my mum. We took a 2 week break and I wrote him a letter. I didn't want to give up, I wanted my baby to have a family. I couldn't understand why he was being like this and begged him to see a doctor as by now his family had noticed that he had become withdrawn.

Long story short, he got prescribed citalopram and in February we moved into a rented house. I hoped this would help, but he continued to be cold, uninterested and nasty towards me. At times I retaliated - got angry, told him it was over more times than i could keep up with, cried, screamed, begged. Nothing worked. I lived in the hope he would change once baby arrived. The stress eventually caused me to go into labour 6 weeks early. The day before our DS arrived I'd broken down at work. The night before had been unbearable and I didn't want to go home, and ended up wandering around a retail park until 9pm at night, 34 weeks pregnant, after a day at work and suffering with SPD. We were barely speaking when my waters broke the following morning.

As soon as our DS was born, it was clear that he adored him. For this I was grateful and relieved. The novelty however of our newborn soon wore off, and whilst I have no doubt that he loves him, he definitely loves himself more and seems to prioritise beer, work, football etc before either of us.

Since our DS's arrival we have continued to argue. About anything and everything. For a while I resented him for the way he treated me during pregnancy and was angry with myself that he was 'getting away with it'. He blames his mental health and takes no responsibility for his actions and tells me I was awful too and that we both caused the damage. He has never apologised.

In June things reached a head and I felt scared and confused after he smashed a load of things up in the house after a few drinks. He drinks everyday. And refuses to give it up as says he won't be told what to do. That he doesn't have a problem. I left and stayed with mum. I'd only planned to be gone a night, in the hope he would see sense, see what he faced losing, but he didn't once ask us to come home. Eventually after some talking and my desperation for it to work, I went home. After a few weeks, things seemed a bit better. He was drinking less and we were actually getting on again. I made a promise to myself to put the last behind me as it wasn't doing me or our relationship any good bringing it up all the time, but recently the arguments have started up again and so has the drinking.

He is vile to me when he drinks. Calls me a horrible nasty vicious woman if I 'nag' about chores that need doing - because I'm home all day whilst he's out 'grafting'. He seems to think he works harder than anyone else in the world and says a few drinks are harmless. He says my manor is nasty. He insults me. He says I'm abusive. I worry that he has a point. Tells me to calm down all the time, says I talk over him, tells me I need to obey and respect him. I find myself trying to be on my best behaviour to keep the peace, but all the while I keep compromising my own needs. We don't have a physical relationship anymore. At weekends he either works or goes up the pub. And if he does spend time with us, he drinks. He gets angry if I raise this with him - says its not like he's off playing golf all day. Blames his mental health and then I feel guilty. He falls asleep on the sofa most nights and I just leave him there now. Our relationship has become purely functional. Sometimes he can be lovely, but as soon as he drinks it's like he has a personality transplant. He often apologises the next day, but then repeats the process a few days later. In the past when he's agreed to cut back, I have felt suspicious that he's just hid it from me instead.

We recently had an offer accepted on a house. I was hoping that finally buying something we can renovate will help to make him happy. But I am also questioning whether I should be buying a house with him at all, or preparing myself to leave? I've not had a day off since our son was born. I don't feel I can trust him to look after DS without drinking. He's never taken him out of the house without me. I feel so lost and confused and incredibly lonely. I pretend to friends and even my mum now that everything is great, but we argued last night (well he was rude and I walked away) he went out first thing this morning and hasn't come home since.

It's so hard to completely articulate what life is like. Its so hard to put into words how horrible he makes me feel. And because I struggle with this he says he can't really be that bad. He then turns it on me and says I'm the bad one.

I think I know what you are all going to say....I'd say the same, so why can't I find the courage to leave? In my head I know I'm going to buy this house....I'm too much of a coward not to. I'm too embarrassed of what others will think.....why can't I just see sense?! My son is my world....I think that's why I'm torn. I want the best for him but not sure what that is?

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ouryve · 12/09/2015 20:58

Do not buy the house with him. He will not change. It will not get better.

A relationship is a partnership and is supposed to enhance your life. Can you honestly say that, apart from your lovely baby, your life has been in any way enhanced by your time with this man?

Get rid. Move on. You can be a lovely family with your child by yourself. You don't want your child to grow up with a mother who constantly doubts herself because of her emotionally abusive partner.

Zampa · 12/09/2015 21:00

Firstly, you sound miserable. No-one has the right to make you so unhappy. I suspect you will be much happier out of this relationship.

Secondly, whilst he's the father of your baby, you can successfully co-parent after a separation and your DS won't be any worse off. In fact, from the sound of it, your DS would be better off if you left.

Finally, I think you shouldn't be buying a house with someone you are so conflicted about. That will just create more difficulties.

Good luck.

CocktailQueen · 12/09/2015 21:04

So, you've been miserable for just about all of your relationship with this man.

He was vile during your pregnancy.

He's been vile since you had the baby.

He makes you feel like shit.

So can you think of one reason why you deserve this treatment? What if your child was being treated like that? What would you say? Or your friend?

You know what to do. Don't buy this house with him. Leave him. Go far far away. You can manage by yourself and have a much happier life by yourself.

DrGoogleWillSeeYouNow · 12/09/2015 21:06

Give your head a wobble.

You're going to buy a house and continue in this dysfunctional relationship because you're embarrassed about what others will think?

You're both going to seriously fuck your son up if you carry on like this.

MI6Agent · 12/09/2015 21:08

You're not happy and he is the reason for this. Actually, you are the reason for this - only you can walk away.

Walk away OP. You would be better off mentally and financially if you did.

Imagine your life without him. Without the stress. Without dreading on egg shells. Without feeling unloved and worthless.

Good luck OP. I hope you make the right decision for you and your DS.

babyoven32 · 12/09/2015 21:10

I know you are both right, but I'm scared. As soon as I push him away, or tell him to leave, I then desperately crave his attention and find myself apologising to him and begging him to come home after he ignores my texts and calls. I worry I'm responsible for the drama. That I'm the one who creates it? My previous relationships were hardly successful.

I really don't want this life for my son. In some ways I wish he would be violent towards me, as I find myself excusing the emotional abuse. Something needs to push me over the edge.

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category12 · 12/09/2015 21:15

Please leave. What's best for your ds is not living with a drunk who verbally abuses his mother and smashes the place up.

Buying a place isn't going to change him. He doesn't think he needs to change. It is simply weaving you deeper into life together. A horrible unhappy life together. Stop. Turn back.

BeCarefulWithThat · 12/09/2015 21:19

I recognise a lot of what you have said from my marriage. My H was a drinker too, who could see no harm, and would refuse to even talk about it. He also said he didn't like being told what to do. He used to fall asleep every night on the sofa, drunk. I used to tiptoe around him not wanting him to wake because he was often abusive to me when drunk. That was no way to live my life, but I did for years. I was horribly unhappy.

Eventually, I left him. It was hard and I nearly went back a couple of times, but honestly I am so glad I did.

No more tiptoeing around a drunken abusive bastard who stole the best years of my life.

I have just started seeing a lovely man who is making me very happy.

You can do this. Please do not buy a house together. Please value yourself and know that you do not deserve to be treated this way.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/09/2015 21:23

This is no life for you or your child for that matter. Staying with him is no option at all because he is emotionally abusive as well as someone who has a drink problem. Do not buy any property with him.

What did you learn about relationships when growing up?. Do you have co-dependency issues?. Why are you so concerned as to what others may think?. Are your parents responsible for that way of thinking?.

You need to completely reassess your whole approach to relationships and doing the Freedom Programme run by Womens Aid could also help you.
I would also suggest that you contact Womens Aid on 0808 2000 247 because they can and will also help you leave.

babyoven32 · 12/09/2015 21:25

DP falls asleep on sofa most nights snoring. Says he is tired from working, nothing to do with the drink. Funny how even when I was up half the night with DS I managed to get myself to bed each night!!

What made you finally leave BeCarefulWithThat ?

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BeCarefulWithThat · 12/09/2015 21:27

You know what pushed me over the edge? It wasn't his treatment of me. It was when he started laying into our eldest DC. Please don't let it get to that stage for your DS. I stayed too long.

Nanny0gg · 12/09/2015 21:30

He has been violent towards you. He has smashed up your things. (Does he smash up his own?)

Will your parents help you? They must know the situation. Don't let your DS live with this; it's no life for any of you.

babyoven32 · 12/09/2015 21:34

He says I use our son to manipulate and control him.

I don't want my son to have the issues I have from growing up in a broken family full of shouting and violence. It has made me insecure and desperate for people to approve of me and validate my existence.

My son deserves more, I know that, even if I don't have the same respect for myself

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babyoven32 · 12/09/2015 21:35

I don't know why I'm so worried about others opinions. They don't have to live my life!!!

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cestlavielife · 12/09/2015 21:36

Understand that you can't make him happy. Not buying a house giving him a child etc. Nothing. And he can't make you happy.

Go see a counsellor to talk it thru. On your own .
He has been violent smashing things up tells you watch out or it could nbe you...

Get away stay away. Arrange set times for him to see ds. Review in a year. Don't buy house with him.

babyoven32 · 12/09/2015 21:37

My mum will help. I just feel guilty putting on her (my older sister and younger brother still live with her).

My dad lives in Spain and we on,y speak a few times a year. Not close to him.

DP reminds me of my father.

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DoreenLethal · 12/09/2015 21:39

Something needs to push me over the edge

You mean like not waking up because he has strangled you or something?

Yeah, that would be pretty much over the edge. Trouble is, it is too late then.

I can tell you that nobody will care if you don't buy a house with this man. If they want to buy a house with him then perhaps they can crack on. But he is an abusive violent nasty piece of shit and you really should be getting you and your son as far away from him as you can.

babyoven32 · 12/09/2015 21:42

He says I'm violent. I do get angry and shout too sometimes. I get so frustrated. I hit him once too. And he always reminds me of it and says I'm the one with all the problems, he's really smug about it.

The most he has done is pushed me, shout right in my face and pretended to go for me to shake me up.

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DoreenLethal · 12/09/2015 21:52

OK OP. Do it for his safety then, eh?

Oh and by the way, that's what they do. Wind you up to the point of breaking and then - oh gosh what a coincidence - it all just happens to be your fault.

What are the chances eh?

CalmYourselfTubbs · 12/09/2015 21:54

leave.
you already know this.
do it before he hits you. that's what he's gearing up to.

babyoven32 · 12/09/2015 21:57

I guess so DoreenLethal, but I still feel awful about it. Why is it 'okay' that I've hit him....as it's completely unacceptable the other way round.
Ive been pushed to breaking....but he thinks I push him?! I don't know what to think.

Either way it's unhealthy.

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Patchworkpatty · 12/09/2015 21:57

Relationships take a lot of time. Spend two or three years with a person and you will know if they are right for you. Sadly you,didn't do this. Had you done so, you would have run a thousand miles before tying yourself to this waste of space by having a child with him. There are 7 forms of contraception and 2 methods of dealing with accidents, at some point you made certain decisions in full knowledge of how he would be. What is done is done and who can ever regret a child when they are born? However he has never changed. He will never change. He is still the feckless knob he has always been. He is consistent in his behaviour at least. Discount him from your life and move on. Nothing will ever change with him. Forge a life for yourself and show your dc how to be strong.

babyoven32 · 12/09/2015 22:05

We've been together for nearly 6 years Patchworkpatty - so I knew full well what he was like. I didn't leave then and now we have a DS it feels even harder to go.

I was on the pill when I fell pregnant. I love my DP and I'd experienced a termination in a previous relationship and knew I could NEVER do that again. I knew the love I had for my baby was enough, with or without DP. I just hoped he would change.

My DS is everything to me. His happiness is my priority and I know leaving is what's best. I just need to work up the courage to do it.

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SolidGoldBrass · 12/09/2015 22:17

Get away from this useless shitbag as soon as possible. With any luck he will not push for contact with DS and you can pretty much cut him out of your lives. (Tell DS, gently and in age-appropriate ways, that some people are just not very good at being parents etc).

DoreenLethal · 12/09/2015 22:24

Good at playing the victim i would say.