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Should I leave with our 6 month old?

74 replies

babyoven32 · 12/09/2015 20:53

We argue more than I feel is healthy. If I'm honest with myself I've never felt very secure in his feelings for me. He rarely tells me he loves me and this has always sat uncomfortably with me, despite the excuses I make for him. It's the unresolved issue in our relationship and he usually just says it's because he isn't that way inclined.

Just over a year ago we found out I was pregnant (unplanned). I was scared to tell my DP. 5 days after doing the test, I finally plucked up the courage to tell him. We were living apart having previously lived together at the time. He sold his house and moved back to his parents, whilst I moved into rented so we could buy something together. Our circumstances weren't ideal, but financially we were in a strong position. At first, when I broke the news, he was lovely - gave me a huge hug and said everything was going to be okay and that it was a good thing. We went along to the pub next door for a drink as planned and I left after his first pint to go and finish getting dinner ready. On his return his attitude towards the news had done a 360 and the months that followed can only be described as some of the worst months of my life.

Firstly he blamed me. Said I did it on purpose. Said I'd ruined his life - he didn't want any of this. He threw things and smashed some of my things. He also raised a previous termination that I'd had with a former partner 8 years prior (the other worst months of my life - cheating, lying, scumbag - which I found out after agreeing to terminate our pregnancy) which he knows I consider to be the biggest mistake of my life, a decision that haunts me everyday, and used it as a weapon to attack me with - telling me I'm fucked up because of my past and that I was taking it out on him. He made me feel judged and like a piece of shit. He then walked out.

It didn't get any better. He spent the rest of my pregnancy in a mood, either giving me silent treatment or telling me he hated me and that I'd ruined his life. I kept asking why he didn't just leave if he didn't want any of this and he just said he had no choice. He makes out to the rest of the world that he's this loving, caring man, but unfortunately that isn't the case. He has always been a big drinker and this side of him got worse. I felt lost, lonely and embarrassed. I hid my heartache to start with, but by Christmas I crumbled and opened up to my mum. We took a 2 week break and I wrote him a letter. I didn't want to give up, I wanted my baby to have a family. I couldn't understand why he was being like this and begged him to see a doctor as by now his family had noticed that he had become withdrawn.

Long story short, he got prescribed citalopram and in February we moved into a rented house. I hoped this would help, but he continued to be cold, uninterested and nasty towards me. At times I retaliated - got angry, told him it was over more times than i could keep up with, cried, screamed, begged. Nothing worked. I lived in the hope he would change once baby arrived. The stress eventually caused me to go into labour 6 weeks early. The day before our DS arrived I'd broken down at work. The night before had been unbearable and I didn't want to go home, and ended up wandering around a retail park until 9pm at night, 34 weeks pregnant, after a day at work and suffering with SPD. We were barely speaking when my waters broke the following morning.

As soon as our DS was born, it was clear that he adored him. For this I was grateful and relieved. The novelty however of our newborn soon wore off, and whilst I have no doubt that he loves him, he definitely loves himself more and seems to prioritise beer, work, football etc before either of us.

Since our DS's arrival we have continued to argue. About anything and everything. For a while I resented him for the way he treated me during pregnancy and was angry with myself that he was 'getting away with it'. He blames his mental health and takes no responsibility for his actions and tells me I was awful too and that we both caused the damage. He has never apologised.

In June things reached a head and I felt scared and confused after he smashed a load of things up in the house after a few drinks. He drinks everyday. And refuses to give it up as says he won't be told what to do. That he doesn't have a problem. I left and stayed with mum. I'd only planned to be gone a night, in the hope he would see sense, see what he faced losing, but he didn't once ask us to come home. Eventually after some talking and my desperation for it to work, I went home. After a few weeks, things seemed a bit better. He was drinking less and we were actually getting on again. I made a promise to myself to put the last behind me as it wasn't doing me or our relationship any good bringing it up all the time, but recently the arguments have started up again and so has the drinking.

He is vile to me when he drinks. Calls me a horrible nasty vicious woman if I 'nag' about chores that need doing - because I'm home all day whilst he's out 'grafting'. He seems to think he works harder than anyone else in the world and says a few drinks are harmless. He says my manor is nasty. He insults me. He says I'm abusive. I worry that he has a point. Tells me to calm down all the time, says I talk over him, tells me I need to obey and respect him. I find myself trying to be on my best behaviour to keep the peace, but all the while I keep compromising my own needs. We don't have a physical relationship anymore. At weekends he either works or goes up the pub. And if he does spend time with us, he drinks. He gets angry if I raise this with him - says its not like he's off playing golf all day. Blames his mental health and then I feel guilty. He falls asleep on the sofa most nights and I just leave him there now. Our relationship has become purely functional. Sometimes he can be lovely, but as soon as he drinks it's like he has a personality transplant. He often apologises the next day, but then repeats the process a few days later. In the past when he's agreed to cut back, I have felt suspicious that he's just hid it from me instead.

We recently had an offer accepted on a house. I was hoping that finally buying something we can renovate will help to make him happy. But I am also questioning whether I should be buying a house with him at all, or preparing myself to leave? I've not had a day off since our son was born. I don't feel I can trust him to look after DS without drinking. He's never taken him out of the house without me. I feel so lost and confused and incredibly lonely. I pretend to friends and even my mum now that everything is great, but we argued last night (well he was rude and I walked away) he went out first thing this morning and hasn't come home since.

It's so hard to completely articulate what life is like. Its so hard to put into words how horrible he makes me feel. And because I struggle with this he says he can't really be that bad. He then turns it on me and says I'm the bad one.

I think I know what you are all going to say....I'd say the same, so why can't I find the courage to leave? In my head I know I'm going to buy this house....I'm too much of a coward not to. I'm too embarrassed of what others will think.....why can't I just see sense?! My son is my world....I think that's why I'm torn. I want the best for him but not sure what that is?

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UnbelievableBollocks · 12/09/2015 22:24

Leave, leave, leave.

You will never be able to experience happiness while you are with someone who makes you so unhappy. Your child will not thank you for making him grow up with two people who treat each other badly.

I know it's hard, but it's got to be easier than living like this.

DoreenLethal · 12/09/2015 22:24

Him, not you.

ouryve · 12/09/2015 22:45

I don't know why I'm so worried about others opinions. They don't have to live my life!!!

Exactly this!!!!!

Besides, the people who don't breathe a sigh of relief for you, when you set yourself free, aren't worth knowing.

thefourgp · 12/09/2015 23:06

If you could relive the last two years of your life over, and over, and over again for the rest of your life would you want to see do it? If the answer is no then you need to change your life. You're the only one who can do it. I bet you're a lot braver and stronger than you give yourself credit for. You know that your son deserves better. Take action and prove that to him before he gets old enough to be affected by such a toxic environment. X Flowers

Quietlifenotonyournelly · 12/09/2015 23:33

What thefourgp said.
If you can't be brave for yourself, do it for your DS. Flowers

BertieBotts · 12/09/2015 23:39

There is a brilliant book called Why Does He Do That, by Lundy Bancroft. If you can get hold of it and read it without him seeing/finding it, it's well worth doing.

It explains the hitting thing plus about a million more things - it will suddenly make your life make sense.

ChilliAndMint · 12/09/2015 23:51

What is there to salvage?

Leave, you know you have to. He can still be " dad" to your dc but you staying together is damaging to everyone.

IsItIorAreTheOthersCrazy · 12/09/2015 23:57

my ds is everything to me

One day, you will lose your temper and tell dp he's a crap partner. He will tell you you're crazy and bullying him. You will argue. He will pick something up to throw / smash and somewhere along the line a random bit of debris will hit your son.
Or you will be broken and stay there forever, and one day your ds's girlfriend will come around crying because your ds is calling her names / screaming in her face.
Or you will stay and when he is 14/15 your ds will stand in the middle of you and dp. Will he stick up for you or take his dad's side and berate you? Do you want to find out?

Do any of those situations sound like staying is the best for your ds?

You only get one life and your ds only gets one childhood. Get yourself out. It'll be horrible for a while and then you'll realise you've been holding your breath for a very long time and feel relieved that you no longer need to Flowers

mylovelylife · 13/09/2015 00:03

I feel so sorry for you.My ex was a drinker but not abusive just completely unrealiable and like you I felt I would be judged for leaving.The reality is some people (who didn't know the full story) may have judged me however I can look at my child and know I did the best for them.They are 100 times happier/secure/safe without having to live with a drinker.

It's likely you tolerate your partner because of your childhood and feel as if you don't deserve more.You and your son do..and I wish we (on mn) could get you to see that.

Leaving can feel too overwhelming, so break it down into little steps.The first is maybe to acknowledge this will be your life and your sons life unless you chose otherwise.Maybe you tell your mum as another step...just work through the process and promise yourself you will do something to move forward tomorrow.

You sound lovely, don't tolerate the intolerable and break the cycle so your son can learn a different way of living.

Misnomer · 13/09/2015 00:09

Please leave him. He's a horrible person and he's worn you down so that you believe that it's your fault. You do have some support so take it and get out. Take care.

Atenco · 13/09/2015 00:39

Oh OP, life doesn't have to be like this. Your child is probably already being damaged by this, though if you leave now that can be reversed. My dd and her partner had a horrible, horrible fight when there baby was two months old and for the next two weeks we could hear the anger in the baby's crying. Fortunately they split up with the fight and she is a happy easy-going two-year-old now.

And no, violence in either direction is wrong, but just goes to show that you should not be together

NameChange30 · 13/09/2015 00:47

He is abusive. DO NOT BUY A HOUSE WITH HIM! Please follow the good advice on this thread: read the book, get counselling, contact Women's Aid, do the Freedom Programme. Those things will help you see things more clearly and feel strong enough to do what you have to do. Good luck.

BeyonceRiRiMadonnna · 13/09/2015 00:51

"I don't want my son to have the issues...." Staying will ensure your son DOES have these issues!

"........growing up in a broken family full of shouting and violence...."

Leaving will stop history repeating itself!

You brought your son into the world, he didn't ask to be born, love him enough to protect him....LEAVE! If you won't protect your child who will?

MissMarpleCat · 13/09/2015 01:37

Definitely leave. Children growing up in abusive households are much more likely to have emotional problems.

Sighing · 13/09/2015 05:12

Leave and your son will get to see a calm home as normal.
Leave and you'll stop having to further subdue your own needs.
He chooses to drink. Perhaps he prefers the drunk in him.

KwaziisEyepatch · 13/09/2015 07:30

You know that leaving is the right thing, for you and ds. But you're also worried that if you do it you're too entwined in the abuse to be able to stay away, so you'll go back to him. On that basis can you tell your DM so she can stop it happening? If she knows exactly what he's like and how much you want to be able to resist returning, perhaps if you're staying with her in the short term she can talk you out if it when the moment comes that you're tempted to go back.

Honestly, you have to remove your DS from the situation. You know that. You only have one life - now is the moment you get to choose the right path in it.

As a first step, DO NOT buy the house. If you can't leave now, it will be so much more difficult then.

category12 · 13/09/2015 07:38

It's not ok for you to shout and scream and hit him either. But can't you see, that's more of a reason to leave? That's not the person you are or want to be, is it? The relationship is bad for all of you. Break the inertia, it is bad enough to leave.

HopefulHamster · 13/09/2015 07:42

Buying a house with him would be the worst mistake you could make.

Please leave.

Imagine a life where you are not stressed every day!

babyoven32 · 13/09/2015 08:57

He came home this morning wreaking of alcohol with that look in his eye I know all too well. I asked if he'd been drinking and he said no. I told him he stank of booze but he still denied it. He was then prepared to go as far as swearing on our DS's life that he hadn't drunk a drop yesterday.

Alarm bells. Alcohol is more important to him than his son.

I calmly asked him to leave. His parents are away, so told him to shower, eat and have a sleep there. He was reluctant to go but went.

5 minutes later he returned, saying he felt suicidal, not right. Said he wasn't in a good way. I reiterated that going and sorting himself out was the best he could do - if not for me, for DS.

I asked him about 10 more times if he'd been drinking. He finally admitted to a couple of beers yesterday afternoon, but I'm not stupid, I know it was far more than that as the living room still smells and he's no longer here!

I feel so guilty. I feel like I should be helping and supporting him to get better, not leaving him when he is at his worst. He said maybe it would be better if he just disappeared.

OP posts:
RomComPhooey · 13/09/2015 09:00

Direct your love, support and energy towards your son and yourself. This man plans to suck you dry for his own needs and ends. Wake up!

RomComPhooey · 13/09/2015 09:02

He said maybe it would be better if he just disappeared.

He's right, by the way. Don't give this veiled threat another moment's headspace.

sadwidow28 · 13/09/2015 09:11

Well I make no apologies for posting the same link on two threads this morning. I believe it should be compulsory reading for all posters who question their relationship:

RealityIsMyOnlyValentine had her great post made into a sticky ^^ up there by MNHQ after our appeals.

Please read it OP:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/698029-Right-listen-up-everybody

DoreenLethal · 13/09/2015 09:14

He said maybe it would be better if he just disappeared.

Yes yes yes - again playing the poor victim. It's what they do. And the suicide threat. Of which the only response needs to be 'crack on mate'.

Please read the thread that Sadwidow posted. It's all part of the script.

babyoven32 · 13/09/2015 09:34

The sad thing is, even his mother defends him and makes excuses for him. She even had the nerve to tell me to see my GP as I was low, after getting terribly upset that he'd gone AWOL all weekend and wasn't answering my texts or calls. DS was just 10 weeks old.

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ijustwannadance · 13/09/2015 09:57

Never thought i'd type this but LTB!

Get the fuck out now. DO NOT buy a house and complicate things more.

DO think about the damage your unhealthy relationship will do to your son.

I think you have issues too that you probably need counseling for. Self esteem issues maybe? From a broken home yourself? You went from one arsehole to another. Just because this one hasn't cheated on you, doesn't make him less of a twat. Why do you think you deserve to be treated this way? Why are you so desperately clinging to a relationship you know is so so wrong?

It will NEVER work as he will always resent you. He has his own issues that you cannot 'fix' and will just make worse by staying. He is just attention seeking and trying to guilt trip you.

Pack your stuff and go to your mums or pack his stuff and send him to his mums.
Either way you need to realise enough is enough.

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