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Should I leave with our 6 month old?

74 replies

babyoven32 · 12/09/2015 20:53

We argue more than I feel is healthy. If I'm honest with myself I've never felt very secure in his feelings for me. He rarely tells me he loves me and this has always sat uncomfortably with me, despite the excuses I make for him. It's the unresolved issue in our relationship and he usually just says it's because he isn't that way inclined.

Just over a year ago we found out I was pregnant (unplanned). I was scared to tell my DP. 5 days after doing the test, I finally plucked up the courage to tell him. We were living apart having previously lived together at the time. He sold his house and moved back to his parents, whilst I moved into rented so we could buy something together. Our circumstances weren't ideal, but financially we were in a strong position. At first, when I broke the news, he was lovely - gave me a huge hug and said everything was going to be okay and that it was a good thing. We went along to the pub next door for a drink as planned and I left after his first pint to go and finish getting dinner ready. On his return his attitude towards the news had done a 360 and the months that followed can only be described as some of the worst months of my life.

Firstly he blamed me. Said I did it on purpose. Said I'd ruined his life - he didn't want any of this. He threw things and smashed some of my things. He also raised a previous termination that I'd had with a former partner 8 years prior (the other worst months of my life - cheating, lying, scumbag - which I found out after agreeing to terminate our pregnancy) which he knows I consider to be the biggest mistake of my life, a decision that haunts me everyday, and used it as a weapon to attack me with - telling me I'm fucked up because of my past and that I was taking it out on him. He made me feel judged and like a piece of shit. He then walked out.

It didn't get any better. He spent the rest of my pregnancy in a mood, either giving me silent treatment or telling me he hated me and that I'd ruined his life. I kept asking why he didn't just leave if he didn't want any of this and he just said he had no choice. He makes out to the rest of the world that he's this loving, caring man, but unfortunately that isn't the case. He has always been a big drinker and this side of him got worse. I felt lost, lonely and embarrassed. I hid my heartache to start with, but by Christmas I crumbled and opened up to my mum. We took a 2 week break and I wrote him a letter. I didn't want to give up, I wanted my baby to have a family. I couldn't understand why he was being like this and begged him to see a doctor as by now his family had noticed that he had become withdrawn.

Long story short, he got prescribed citalopram and in February we moved into a rented house. I hoped this would help, but he continued to be cold, uninterested and nasty towards me. At times I retaliated - got angry, told him it was over more times than i could keep up with, cried, screamed, begged. Nothing worked. I lived in the hope he would change once baby arrived. The stress eventually caused me to go into labour 6 weeks early. The day before our DS arrived I'd broken down at work. The night before had been unbearable and I didn't want to go home, and ended up wandering around a retail park until 9pm at night, 34 weeks pregnant, after a day at work and suffering with SPD. We were barely speaking when my waters broke the following morning.

As soon as our DS was born, it was clear that he adored him. For this I was grateful and relieved. The novelty however of our newborn soon wore off, and whilst I have no doubt that he loves him, he definitely loves himself more and seems to prioritise beer, work, football etc before either of us.

Since our DS's arrival we have continued to argue. About anything and everything. For a while I resented him for the way he treated me during pregnancy and was angry with myself that he was 'getting away with it'. He blames his mental health and takes no responsibility for his actions and tells me I was awful too and that we both caused the damage. He has never apologised.

In June things reached a head and I felt scared and confused after he smashed a load of things up in the house after a few drinks. He drinks everyday. And refuses to give it up as says he won't be told what to do. That he doesn't have a problem. I left and stayed with mum. I'd only planned to be gone a night, in the hope he would see sense, see what he faced losing, but he didn't once ask us to come home. Eventually after some talking and my desperation for it to work, I went home. After a few weeks, things seemed a bit better. He was drinking less and we were actually getting on again. I made a promise to myself to put the last behind me as it wasn't doing me or our relationship any good bringing it up all the time, but recently the arguments have started up again and so has the drinking.

He is vile to me when he drinks. Calls me a horrible nasty vicious woman if I 'nag' about chores that need doing - because I'm home all day whilst he's out 'grafting'. He seems to think he works harder than anyone else in the world and says a few drinks are harmless. He says my manor is nasty. He insults me. He says I'm abusive. I worry that he has a point. Tells me to calm down all the time, says I talk over him, tells me I need to obey and respect him. I find myself trying to be on my best behaviour to keep the peace, but all the while I keep compromising my own needs. We don't have a physical relationship anymore. At weekends he either works or goes up the pub. And if he does spend time with us, he drinks. He gets angry if I raise this with him - says its not like he's off playing golf all day. Blames his mental health and then I feel guilty. He falls asleep on the sofa most nights and I just leave him there now. Our relationship has become purely functional. Sometimes he can be lovely, but as soon as he drinks it's like he has a personality transplant. He often apologises the next day, but then repeats the process a few days later. In the past when he's agreed to cut back, I have felt suspicious that he's just hid it from me instead.

We recently had an offer accepted on a house. I was hoping that finally buying something we can renovate will help to make him happy. But I am also questioning whether I should be buying a house with him at all, or preparing myself to leave? I've not had a day off since our son was born. I don't feel I can trust him to look after DS without drinking. He's never taken him out of the house without me. I feel so lost and confused and incredibly lonely. I pretend to friends and even my mum now that everything is great, but we argued last night (well he was rude and I walked away) he went out first thing this morning and hasn't come home since.

It's so hard to completely articulate what life is like. Its so hard to put into words how horrible he makes me feel. And because I struggle with this he says he can't really be that bad. He then turns it on me and says I'm the bad one.

I think I know what you are all going to say....I'd say the same, so why can't I find the courage to leave? In my head I know I'm going to buy this house....I'm too much of a coward not to. I'm too embarrassed of what others will think.....why can't I just see sense?! My son is my world....I think that's why I'm torn. I want the best for him but not sure what that is?

OP posts:
MatildaTheCat · 13/09/2015 10:01

You say that you had a chaotic childhood filled with shouting and fighting but are reluctant to avoid the very same situation for your own DC. Think about the damage caused to children by this toxic environment. If you cannot face the 'your fault 'my fault' arguements and endless fighting just consider one thing: is it good for your son? Clearly the answer is no. And that's enough. Enough to say, stop. This isn't working and we need to stop.

Your ds will thrive, you can be a great parent. Your partner will in all likelihood remain a flakey, unreliable parent but that's his choice. He can chose to change and step up but he probably won't. The fact is that the writing has been on the wall a long time and bits time for all of your sakes you started to read it and take action.

Leave, don't listen to any more self pitying crap, no more chances. This man will NEVER make you happy but even worse he will damage your child and you do have control over that.

Good luck.

Saltedcaramel4 · 13/09/2015 10:11

Your son will grow up to behave like your partner if you stay with him. Your son will become an abusive depressive alcoholic. You need to leave and to have a better male role model in his life. Doesn't need to be a partner, could be a nice grandad or male football coach or male teacher. Leave for your sons sake. Put your sons needs first.

Saltedcaramel4 · 13/09/2015 10:14

You are presently modelling 'relationships' to your son. He will most likely follow the example set and also have dysfunctional relationships of his own. You can change this though

Saltedcaramel4 · 13/09/2015 10:15

Do it soon, those early years are so formative. Leave this week

ijustwannadance · 13/09/2015 10:38

Sorry I had missed one of your previous posts but I could already see what your upbringing would've been like. So you have spent your entire adult life desperately looking in the wrong places for the love you missed out on as a child.

Well now you have a chance to give all your love to your baby. Fuck everyone else.
Do not put him through what you yourself went through or he will grow up just as damaged. Better to be a single parent than have him witness all the shit happening around him everyday. Show him how to be strong and teach him about healthy relationships or like a pp said, in 30 years time he will be just like his dad.

babyoven32 · 13/09/2015 11:32

Thank you to everyone who has replied. I think the advice is pretty clear. The stress is certainly taking it's toll as I've been suffering from insomnia for the last few weeks, which is frustrating when DS is now sleeping through the night. I'm exhausted.

I guess I already feel like a single parent anyway. The only difference will be having one child to care for instead of two. I'm not sure what il do, but expect we'll stay with mum at first whilst we work something out.

I don't need to explain myself to anyone, I just need the strength to do what's best for my beautiful boy - I'd never forgive myself if he grew up with the anxiety and insecurities I suffer from. He deserves to be loved and cherished and taught how to give the same to others.

OP posts:
SolidGoldBrass · 13/09/2015 11:33

Whose name is on the rental agreement? You can have him removed if the house is in your name. If he becomes aggressive, even if it's his name on the agreement, you can call the police to take him away, and you may be able to get a court order to keep him away.
Women's Aid and Social Services can help you keep him at a distance: an aggressive drunk is regarded as a danger to small children as well as to you. Good luck.

Atenco · 13/09/2015 12:38

I'm so glad you have made this decision, OP. As for his alcoholism, you cannot help him or save him, in fact, what you did do, telling to him to leave, was totally the right thing to do. Doesn't mean it would magically change him, but much, much better than enabling him. But it is not your problem any more, thank heavens.

Saltedcaramel4 · 13/09/2015 13:16

Well done OP

ijustwannadance · 13/09/2015 14:44
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pog100 · 13/09/2015 15:12

Well done

petalsandstars · 13/09/2015 15:24

By leaving you are doing the best thing for your DS. Don't let him talk you round. He is an alcoholic or well on the way and will drag you down and grind you into the ground - you already walk on eggshells around him.

Contact your solicitor / estate agent first thing in the morning and pull out of the house purchase - don't get any more tied to him

tribpot · 13/09/2015 15:34

You cannot help someone with an alcohol problem get better. You particularly cannot do it when you have more important priorities, such as keeping yourself and your son safe.

You cannot help him. Don't fool yourself into thinking you can.

ouryve · 13/09/2015 16:19

The expression of suicidal feelings is common in abusers in danger of losing control of their victim, btw. As someone upthread has pointed out, if that's how he really feels, that's his problem, not yours. If he comes out with that again, the most you should say is "oh dear, it sounds like you need to seek professional help with that."

IonaNE · 13/09/2015 16:36

Do not buy a house with this man, op.

Sighing · 13/09/2015 16:48

Well done OP Flowers it is such a positive step for your son and your own state of mind.

KwaziisEyepatch · 13/09/2015 18:30

Well done. You are doing the right thing. You're being the best mother to your DS.

Keep posting here for support as you go through the process.

pocketsaviour · 13/09/2015 18:41

5 minutes later he returned, saying he felt suicidal, not right.

Yes, this is the next weapon in his arsenal - shouting and threats haven't worked, you asked him to go to his parents, he panics because you're seeming stronger. So he pulls out that old chestnut "I'm going to kill myself".

It's textbook abuser stuff, love. Nothing this man tells you is genuine or true.

You know full well he was drunk as fuck and he kept lying to you. Do you really think he was telling the truth about being suicidal? Next time he pulls that one, ring an ambulance. They'll call his bloody bluff.

pocketsaviour · 13/09/2015 18:42

X-post with your last update. Keep strong.

Please look into doing the Freedom Programme, there should be a course near you. It will help you stay strong and recognise his manipulation.

FantasticButtocks · 13/09/2015 21:18

You are doing the right thing. Get free as soon as possible, you can't have your child living with a suicidal out of control drunk. You can't save him from himself. But you can save yourself and your baby from him.

NatalieMc82 · 13/09/2015 21:36

Well done OP!
And fwiw, my exh was a drunken verbally abusive alcoholic too.. He tried the it's all your fault one.. The I'm going to kill myself one.. The you can't manage without me one..
I got help. I left. Me and my dc are very happy. He didn't kill himself. And actually he probably did a better job of sorting his life out than he would have done if I'd stayed with him and kept enabling him.
Good luck and huge hugs OP. xx

MrsOs · 13/09/2015 22:25

Gosh sounds like a horrible relationship. Dont you want better for your ds...
Please dont buy a place with him.. Get out of this nasty relationship as soon as you can and find someone better. You and your ds deserve better.

CalmYourselfTubbs · 14/09/2015 12:09

wowsers - he really is following The Alkie Scriptbook to the letter, eh?
is this a step by step booklet mailed out by the drinks industry to pissheads nationwide?
the crying and the screaming.
followed by suicide threats.
the "You can't live without meeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!".
yawn.

leave him to it - the only people who'll miss him will be the brewery shareholders.

sorry to be so sarky, but i have no time for alkie deadbeat fathers.

derxa · 14/09/2015 16:23

Oh my darling. I rarely post on relationships or say LTB. You must gather your strength and get out of this situation. He's no good.

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