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Can't believe I'm even asking this, but do I have anything to worry about?

81 replies

NeveS · 11/09/2015 20:25

Hi there, just warning you before hand that this may be a bit of a long one, sorry if I ramble on a bit, from the beginning. Me and my dh have been together for 16 years (since we were 16) and married for 10, we have two gorgeous children, dd age 11 and ds age 4. Our youngest has recently been diagnosed with Asd/Spd after three years of battling and dealing with his behaviours and meltdowns, it's been quite tough.

Basically we had our dd and life was rosey, and although we don't regret having our ds, not for a second me and dh as people and as a couple have changed so much. We get absolutely zero alone time, except for a couple of hours of an evening and that's if dh is on his early shift, if he's on lates he doesn't get home until gone 11pm by which time asleep.

Anyway I'd say we are a strong couple but these last few years have been trying and we spent some off time arguing and sniping at each other. Like I said we rarely get any alone time and we are lucky to get a night out together twice a year for our birthdays/anniversary. And although like I said we wouldn't change our family set up we have definitely changed as a couple.

Without meaning to come across as crude we haven't had sex since March! Partly to do with the fact I have a medical condition that makes me have irregular periods, sometimes going four months between them but then having one for up to six weeks! But there has been plenty of time inbetween if you like to dtd but it hasn't happened. I'm exhausted every night through looking after the kids all day and he's tired from working long shifts. When we have had the opportunity lately to be intimate (kids went to sisters once and sils another night for both our birthdays) we get half way in and dh suddenly loses his E! This is obviously emabrassing for him (despite me not making a big deal of it) but it's happened the last few times now and it's getting me down.

So comes the next bit. My dh takes our two kids camping every July with his mum and step dad, our kids love it and have been going for years, plus it gives me a little break. Well this year him and his parents make friends with a woman who's there with her two young kids, she happened to be a special needs link/support worker and she took an instant liking to our ds, fair enough. So this was the second day that they met and according to my dd they spent a lot a lot of time together (as a group) round the campfire, going into town etc. All is fine and they all come back from holiday excited to tell we what they've been up to and dh tells me more about this woman and that she'd love to come up to see us and meet me (as apparently dh was raving on about me to her) again fair enough, she seemed nice and I thought it'd be beneficial maybe to get some advice about ds, tips about dealing with his meltdowns etc.

A few days after dh got back from holiday this woman friend requested him on Facebook and since then her and dh have been talking quite a bit. Don't get me wrong he's been quite upfront about talking with her and he insists she is just a friend, and whilst on one hand I do believe him, on the other I feel a bit strange about it and maybe a bit envious (which I know sounds silly). He tends to talk with her first thing in a morning (when he's on his afternoon shift) and then again around 11pm/12midnight when he's home from work and I'm usually upstairs in bed. Now the only reason I know this is because his messages keep coming to my tablet. On the tablet the Facebook and messenger app are two separate apps so I'm on my Facebook some mornings and I'm getting messages through for dh as he's left his Facebook logged in on google so his messages come straight to me (if you get me?)

I'll admit I had a quick peek and then later read through most of them, they seem innocent but then lately have been getting a bit more personal. It's definitely 50/50 and I'd say she's messaging dh as much as he's messaging her and I don't want to be one of those jealous paranoid types and say he can't have a friend just because she's female but I feel a bit uncomfortable.

And there's more! My dh has "asked" if he can go away the last weekend in September to this music/beer festival up in the Lake District (at the camping site were he takes the kids every year, and we're he met this woman). I said yeah of course as after all I had my break when he took the kids away in July and I know that dh, like myself had been really stressed lately and deserves a rest. For me I couldn't go away on my own I'd be bored to death but il he said if he can sit there at the camp fire with a beer listening to some tunes and maybe go fishing during the day then he's happy.

Well, I found out yesterday that the woman who dh met in camping in July is also going to the festival! Apparently she's booked to go with her sister and a friend and dh has said that he still wants to go (despite me having, shall we say, my reservations!).

Now I just don't know what to make of this! If it was any male other than my dh i already know what I'd be thinking! But my dh, well I know him through and through, and know at the minute he's barely got the energy to manage me, yet alone another woman. This is what my grown up, rational head keeps telling me, ie that it's all very innocent, that he'd never cheat on me etc but my crazy head is taking over my rationale head and keeps saying woah!!!! this isn't right. I've spoken with dh and he insists constantly that if he sees this woman at the festival then he'll obviously speak with her and have a few drinks but that's as far as it will go! He says he has no interest in her sexually but that he thinks she's a nice person, that i'd really like her and get on with her and that our kids get on with hers so why not! Now.....am I being irrationally crazy or should I worry?

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cremeeggboycotter · 11/09/2015 20:36

I don't think you are being irrational, I don't think he's about to cheat either. I think there's a danger of emotional affair in the future possibly. I do wonder if he'd be as chilled out if things were reversed though.

Why don't you go with him? Not to check up but to get some couple time and reassure yourselves? I would hope you get your own 'chill out time' too, not just him.

cremeeggboycotter · 11/09/2015 20:38

The other option is that you trust him and see what happens. If he betrays you he's a giant wanker, he may not though...

donajimena · 11/09/2015 20:38

Oh dear. I wouldn't like this one bit.

Alterego1965 · 11/09/2015 20:39

Have you actually met her yet?

I don't think it sounds right either.

Coolforthesummer · 11/09/2015 20:44

He messages her morning and night, goes on about her all the time and is going to see her on a weekend away? No way would I be cool about that. Even if he thinks she's a 'friend', something is brewing.

SaucyJack · 11/09/2015 20:44

The thing with emotional affairs is that they can quite easily occur without anything sexual ever taking place.

I don't know if that's what's happening here, but if it's making you insecure and trying to second-guess your husband then there's a good chance it means more to all of you concerned than a run-of-the-mill friendship.

If you told him to wind it in a bit a pay your marriage more attention, what would happen?

Blodss · 11/09/2015 20:45

Sorry but that is often said. That the husband is too busy to have an affair.
I think that him messaging her and it getting personal is a big red flag and I would not like where it could be heading. Has he asked you to go? I really would not think it a good idea for him to go away to a place where this woman is going to be and they have planned to meet up. I think I would also be concerned that he is wanting to spend more time with her. He would tell you that he is not interested in her sexually though wouldn't he. What else would he say. Just inappropriate on both of their part really.
I know you don't want to stop him and of course you really cant but I cant see this ending well.

NeveS · 11/09/2015 20:47

I can't go with him as I couldn't leave both my children for a weekend, and that's not me being precious about my kids, it's literally I case of I couldn't leave ds for so long as he wouldn't cope! Don't get me wrong I'm not one of THOSE women who think that there precious darling husband could never and would ever cheat, I meant my get me wrong I hope he never would but as a person I don't think dh had got it in him. He's a lovely bloke but a little shy and isn't terribly sure of himself (I'm the outgoing, high maintencace Bolchy one!) so really I'd say he'd be unlikely to cheat but who knows. I know with men it's not always about the sexual attraction, going for younger blonde, big boobed types etc and that for some they just relish a bit of attention and then it spirals from there!

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/09/2015 20:52

I think they are well on the way to having an emotional affair. They have not slept together but many emotional affairs do become physical.

Your marriage as it stands is in big trouble and he needs to realise that. Will he and you be willing now to talk to a marriage guidance counsellor?.

LeonC · 11/09/2015 20:58

Ok, you trust your DH but do you trust his new friend? Is she making a play for him? What if she sneaks into his tent late at night? What if he had a beer or two too many and ended up in a compromising position with her.
Oh OP, I would not be comfortable in this situation. Even if nothing could happen because he's not that type, would it be on your mind the rest of your marriage?

quicklydecides · 11/09/2015 21:00

Plus if he isnt sure of himself and then she comes in and makes him feel AMAZING about himself, well you can see how he would be drawn to her.
Then throw in some "But shes wonderful with ds and she said if wife just approached him this way and did this thing and was more consistent then he would be so much better...."
Get someone to mind your children.
Book 2 nights away in a hotel and go off TOGETHER

Not many people get warning when cracks appear in their marriage.
You have been warned.
Be open, tell him its tempting, but tell him you cherish him.

bjrce · 11/09/2015 21:02

Hi Neves,

I am going to be very blunt with you.

You were not there last July when all the little friendships were being formed. It was all seen as very innocent that they were there with the kids and now, friends on Facebook, messaging each other daily.
I am telling you now, there is a crush at the very least going on , on both sides, your H can deny this all he wants, but I am telling you, she can't wait until the festival to meet up with him.

This next part is very important.

Under no circumstances would I allow my H to go on a weekend knowing this w was going to be there, hell would freeze over. I don't care how good or trustworthy your H is, I am telling you now, there is definitely an attraction there, they are both pretending they are just good friends, but it will happen. Its staring you in the face.

Make sure you are on that weekend also, get someone to mind you DC. Also, this constant messaging needs to end. Its far too intense.

You need to nip this in the bud, and also you really need to clear this up with your DH.

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 11/09/2015 21:11

Is her coming to meet you first an option? I always think pplare less likely to do anything of they have to look you in the eye. Maybe she could be a friend to you both?

And I take it taking ds with you to festival is out of the question? (I am assuming this is the case)

AndDeepBreath · 11/09/2015 21:15

Well - just how would he feel if this was reversed? It sounds like he wants to get away from the difficulties of your everyday life and live a bit of a fantasy weekend away. Do you get to do that too with some lovely bloke you met and message daily?

You really need to talk to him about this and explain how terrible it's making you feel, and work on reconnecting. My DH has loads of female friends and I'm like you in that in itself isn't a problem, but I'd feel differently in this situation too.

NeveS · 11/09/2015 21:16

I forgot to mention that dh hasn't even discussed this festival with this woman. The reason i know is that I've read all of the messages between them (I know I shouldn't have) and considering it's a new tablet and dh isn't up on technology he doesn't know that you can read text/emails that have been deleted. I checked the deleted section, I checked and there was nothing. So genuinely my dh isn't trying to hide anything (via text/messenger) anyway. He doesn't own a mobile phone other than works mobile and you can't use that to make personal calls only work calls and 999, so everything he says to this woman he is fully aware that i can read on messenger if I want to, so I don't know what to make of it?

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NeveS · 11/09/2015 21:21

Well for the last couple of years when he's taken the kids away I've had a week to myself, it was lovely and peaceful and I started to feel like myself again, so when my dh asked could he go away for a little break I felt like I couldn't really say no, and why would I want to really (before I knew about this woman going). Like I said we've both had a tough few years and despite everything we've stuck by each other when in reality us separating would actually mean we'd get more of a break or more "me" time as I assume if have our kids during the week and him at weekends or vice versa etc.

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raisin3cookies · 11/09/2015 21:21

He is not guarding his heart as well as he should. He may not have any intentions beyond friendship, but he is making you uncomfortable and that should immediately give him reason to pull back.

NeveS · 11/09/2015 21:25

Another point is that who's to say she is even interested in dh? I know that she's only completed her divorce last year, she's lost a lot of friends and family due to this and from looking at her Facebook page she doesn't seem to have a lot of friends! so the thought that maybe she's just lonely has popped into my mind.

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cremeeggboycotter · 11/09/2015 21:26

You need to talk to him about this OP. You will not have a good week if he goes now with ll this on your mind.

AndDeepBreath · 11/09/2015 21:26

Without meaning to make you too paranoid, what about incoming calls? Or a second phone? (Intensely doubtful from the sounds of it, but weirder things can happen, unless you've been checking every message all year?)

I also doubt emotional affairs ever begin intentionally. The very fact that you're having to post on an Internet forum about your worries and having to check up on him is a huge sign that something's wrong.

Are you able to chat to him about things? When can you two next get some time alone? How would he feel if you spent your little time off (and it sounds like you might have more time with the kids than he does and possibly need it more!) with another lovely understanding man who was just wonderful and ever so nice and understanding, at a time when you and he weren't so close? Maybe he hasn't realised at all how this could make you feel.

AndDeepBreath · 11/09/2015 21:28

Oh god yes, I definitely don't buy the "every man and woman who are friends are secretly in love/predatory" stuff, but like you say, this is a bit different. Does he talk about you a lot in the texts?

NeveS · 11/09/2015 21:32

I have spoken with him about this woman and he seems genuine when he says that he's just exhausted and needs a break. To be fair he's been mithering to go this festival for years (it's an annual event every September) but the last few years we've always had something on, weddings, christenings etc, so it's not as though he's mothering toto jaunt because this woman is going, but who really knows. And about the second phone thing, he doesn't have one, obviously I can't be 100% sure but considering we are saving up to buy another house, saving for a once in a lifetime holiday etc I'm literally keepin track of every penny that goes into and out of our account, so if he bought another phone i'd soon spot it.

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NeveS · 11/09/2015 21:36

He has mentioned me a few times but he mainly talks about our kids. But then he's talked about his past a few times and then there's the general banter about everyday life. It probably looks very innocent when reading it but it's the fact that this woman messages him so frequently and how dh is quick to reply.

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goddessofsmallthings · 11/09/2015 21:37

Is there a music/beer festival taking place in the Lake Distrct at the end of September or is it a small event staged by the campsite he went to which marks the end of the season?

Go with him and take the dc with you - it'll be a chance for you to meet this wonderwoman and your dh can have a break later in the year.

TheoriginalLEM · 11/09/2015 21:41

emotional affairs are worse than sexual affairs imo