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Can't believe I'm even asking this, but do I have anything to worry about?

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NeveS · 11/09/2015 20:25

Hi there, just warning you before hand that this may be a bit of a long one, sorry if I ramble on a bit, from the beginning. Me and my dh have been together for 16 years (since we were 16) and married for 10, we have two gorgeous children, dd age 11 and ds age 4. Our youngest has recently been diagnosed with Asd/Spd after three years of battling and dealing with his behaviours and meltdowns, it's been quite tough.

Basically we had our dd and life was rosey, and although we don't regret having our ds, not for a second me and dh as people and as a couple have changed so much. We get absolutely zero alone time, except for a couple of hours of an evening and that's if dh is on his early shift, if he's on lates he doesn't get home until gone 11pm by which time asleep.

Anyway I'd say we are a strong couple but these last few years have been trying and we spent some off time arguing and sniping at each other. Like I said we rarely get any alone time and we are lucky to get a night out together twice a year for our birthdays/anniversary. And although like I said we wouldn't change our family set up we have definitely changed as a couple.

Without meaning to come across as crude we haven't had sex since March! Partly to do with the fact I have a medical condition that makes me have irregular periods, sometimes going four months between them but then having one for up to six weeks! But there has been plenty of time inbetween if you like to dtd but it hasn't happened. I'm exhausted every night through looking after the kids all day and he's tired from working long shifts. When we have had the opportunity lately to be intimate (kids went to sisters once and sils another night for both our birthdays) we get half way in and dh suddenly loses his E! This is obviously emabrassing for him (despite me not making a big deal of it) but it's happened the last few times now and it's getting me down.

So comes the next bit. My dh takes our two kids camping every July with his mum and step dad, our kids love it and have been going for years, plus it gives me a little break. Well this year him and his parents make friends with a woman who's there with her two young kids, she happened to be a special needs link/support worker and she took an instant liking to our ds, fair enough. So this was the second day that they met and according to my dd they spent a lot a lot of time together (as a group) round the campfire, going into town etc. All is fine and they all come back from holiday excited to tell we what they've been up to and dh tells me more about this woman and that she'd love to come up to see us and meet me (as apparently dh was raving on about me to her) again fair enough, she seemed nice and I thought it'd be beneficial maybe to get some advice about ds, tips about dealing with his meltdowns etc.

A few days after dh got back from holiday this woman friend requested him on Facebook and since then her and dh have been talking quite a bit. Don't get me wrong he's been quite upfront about talking with her and he insists she is just a friend, and whilst on one hand I do believe him, on the other I feel a bit strange about it and maybe a bit envious (which I know sounds silly). He tends to talk with her first thing in a morning (when he's on his afternoon shift) and then again around 11pm/12midnight when he's home from work and I'm usually upstairs in bed. Now the only reason I know this is because his messages keep coming to my tablet. On the tablet the Facebook and messenger app are two separate apps so I'm on my Facebook some mornings and I'm getting messages through for dh as he's left his Facebook logged in on google so his messages come straight to me (if you get me?)

I'll admit I had a quick peek and then later read through most of them, they seem innocent but then lately have been getting a bit more personal. It's definitely 50/50 and I'd say she's messaging dh as much as he's messaging her and I don't want to be one of those jealous paranoid types and say he can't have a friend just because she's female but I feel a bit uncomfortable.

And there's more! My dh has "asked" if he can go away the last weekend in September to this music/beer festival up in the Lake District (at the camping site were he takes the kids every year, and we're he met this woman). I said yeah of course as after all I had my break when he took the kids away in July and I know that dh, like myself had been really stressed lately and deserves a rest. For me I couldn't go away on my own I'd be bored to death but il he said if he can sit there at the camp fire with a beer listening to some tunes and maybe go fishing during the day then he's happy.

Well, I found out yesterday that the woman who dh met in camping in July is also going to the festival! Apparently she's booked to go with her sister and a friend and dh has said that he still wants to go (despite me having, shall we say, my reservations!).

Now I just don't know what to make of this! If it was any male other than my dh i already know what I'd be thinking! But my dh, well I know him through and through, and know at the minute he's barely got the energy to manage me, yet alone another woman. This is what my grown up, rational head keeps telling me, ie that it's all very innocent, that he'd never cheat on me etc but my crazy head is taking over my rationale head and keeps saying woah!!!! this isn't right. I've spoken with dh and he insists constantly that if he sees this woman at the festival then he'll obviously speak with her and have a few drinks but that's as far as it will go! He says he has no interest in her sexually but that he thinks she's a nice person, that i'd really like her and get on with her and that our kids get on with hers so why not! Now.....am I being irrationally crazy or should I worry?

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cowbag1 · 11/09/2015 21:43

But if he knows you can see the messages, he's not going to have arranged to meet at the festival via that medium is he? They could have spoken on the phone for intance. To suggest them both being there at the same time is a coincidence is too far-fetched for me I'm afraid.

The phrase 'hiding in plain sight' springs to mind. If nothing's going on, all the texting is still far too intense.

NeveS · 11/09/2015 21:46

Sorry, yes it's on the campsite that he takes the children to, kind of an end of season bash, but from looking at it online it does look like a good laugh, but definitely an adult's only event so me taking the children is not an option. I just don't know what to do as I've never had a reason to doubt my dh and I've never been the type of woman who is obsessive, jealous, paranoid etc to the extent that i'd think he's up to something in all likely hood he actually isn't.

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IDismyname · 11/09/2015 21:53

I agree with pp upthread in that you ought to meet the OW. She'll find it much harder to have an affair of any sort, once the two of you have met.

cowbag1 · 11/09/2015 21:54

Just tell him you think his intense communication with this woman is inappropriate. Unless he would be happy for you to have a similar relationship with a man?

If it's making you uncomfortable and he's as decent as you say he is, he won't have a problem reigning it in a bit. If he does object, I think that would be a red flag for me.

NeveS · 11/09/2015 22:00

But like I said he doesn't own a mobile plus he's at work all the time and he dared to be so blunt as to use my phone then it would show up, even if he deleted the call as I have an app that shows hidden calls.

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goddessofsmallthings · 11/09/2015 22:01

As it's a small event which will more than likely only be attended by those who've stayed at the campsite and maybe a few locals, he doesn't need to arrange to meet her as it's inevitable that they'll see each other at the venue.

Since she hasn't made good on her statement that she'd "love to come up to see us and meet me", your dh must see that she is most probably setting her stall out for him and it would be singularly inappropriate for him to put himself within temptation's reach in a situation where he'll be spending a few days/nights in close proximity to her without you being in attendance.

shoelovingfinn · 11/09/2015 22:08

In all honesty... we can try to make rules and make people (partners) behave in certain way.. No use.
We can't control people and love is pure chemistry and we all must remember that from the past. Relationships only work as long as they are meant to work. No relationship will work forever.

NeveS · 11/09/2015 22:12

No relationship will work forever?......seriously. I mean ok, I might be all confused about the situation at hand with my own dh but I do know of relationships that have lasted "forever" until one or both of the people have died, so how on earth can you make such a sweeping statement just like that?

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RandomMess · 11/09/2015 22:15

I think you are both individually in a very tough place and both vulnerable to having emotional affairs.

I really wouldn't want him going and I would want him to cool his contact with her and to start investing those 2 x 10 mins per day into your marriage. Not because he is out looking for something but because you've understandably drifted due to difficult circumstances.

Blodss · 12/09/2015 00:10

He doesn't have a private mobile phone?

goddessofsmallthings · 12/09/2015 01:19

It's not your 'crazy head' that's saying this is isn't right as it's entirely rational that you should feel uneasy about him meeting up again with a woman you haven't met.

As she's only seen him as a single parent it's easy for her to overlook the fact that he's married and, relieved of the grinding grounding responsibilities of his everyday life, it will be all too easy for him to dance to a seductively different drum round the campfire.

Granted he takes the dc camping every year but he has his dm and stepdad to help him and, while this may enable you to have a break, you're spending the time in the family home where you no doubt catch up on various bit and pieces of housework that you can't manage when he and the dc are around.

If you were living it up on the Costas with a girlfriend it could be said that he deserves an equal amount of 'me time' but, as it is, it seems to me that you are best advised to spend what free time you have recharging your batteries together as there's too much at play, and at stake, for him to catch up with his recently acquired friend later this month.

Regularhiding · 12/09/2015 01:50

I don't see a problem with your DH and this woman
I am utterly shocked at comments about " not letting him " go to this festival.
you're not his jailer or his mother

VeryFoolishFay · 12/09/2015 02:30

Nip this firmly in the bud and make it clear that you are not happy. He then has a choice but he will be clear about the potential consequences.

I stood by and dithered in a similar situation, a sort of 'affair in plain sight'. I wish I had stated my own boundaries much earlier and stood by them.

Intheprocess · 12/09/2015 04:42

OP, it sounds like neither you nor your DP are particularly happy in the relationship. You can pin the blame on tiredness, kids, his work etc but maybe it goes deeper than that. An emotional affair (which I think this is) is often a symptom of, rather than a cause of, a relationship breaking down.

I think something has to change in your relationship / life together. If you're at the point of spying on DP it doesn't actually matter if anything is happening with him and possible OW. It shows a basic lack of trust, either caused by him deceiving you or you not respecting him as a person (or both) and either way is a sign something is badly wrong. I wonder what the difficult times you've been through are? Is there anything beyond the issues with DS?

Think about what can be changed in your lives. Do you work, if not could you find part-time work so DP can work less and do more at home and so you can gain some independence? Can your DH change his job / shift patterns? Can you get family to take the kids on a regular basis to get a break? Have you discussed relationship counselling?

Also consider this - this is very tough but needs to be done as a marker to where you both are right now - should anyone be expected to stay in a relationship they don't actually want to be in any more?

And one last thing, you say you are saving up and so DP could not get a phone in secret even if he wanted to. I don't think it's healthy for a relationship if neither of you are able to spend any money at all without the other one knowing about it / giving approval. We all need a bit of "me" money, even if new house or special holiday needs to wait a little longer.

FaceFullOfFilleronthe45 · 12/09/2015 05:10

I would be very,very concerned about this habit that's developed of private messaging one another each morning and last thing at night. If this were just a harmless, normal friendship he'd not be doing that. People don't do that speaking every day at the same time thing with their platonic and/or same sex friends unless there is something intense going on. They do it with people they feel very emotionally connected to or reliant upon, or infatuated with. Whether he admits it to himself or not yet, there is an affair brewing here.

Does she constantly have a dialogue with your parents in law as well, if they were all such great mates together? Ill bet she doesn't.

MalloryTowels · 12/09/2015 05:55

My dh fell into a completely uncharacteristic emotional affair with a woman at work. It started as a friendship and he failed to guard his heart. The thing is when I found I kept thinking "I should have listened to that tiny, tiny voice that said 'don't they talk a lot'". Please stop this now. He may be thinking he's completely innocent in enjoying a friendship but who knows what she is thinking; and which of us isn't susceptible to some flattery or intimacy. Stop it now and find ways of investing in your relationship. For your kids' sake as well as your own

ListenToYourHeart33 · 12/09/2015 07:02

I wouldn't like this.

I think you coming on here to ask what people think is enough proof that you feel in yourself that this situation is not good.

You mentioned something that they haven't discussed the trip on facebook messages.

However if they are facebook friends I bet she has posted somewhere that she is going on her wall.

There is no reason for him to be messaging her at all different times.

I'd say to him you don't want him to go and that if possible you would rather you both do something together, date night/date weekend etc

see what he says and take it from there.

I wish you all the best.

NeveS · 12/09/2015 08:21

I can hand on heart say that up until two years ago before all this started with our ds me and dh were absolutely fine. We've never been one for arguing all the time and are usually on the same page when it comes to, well everything! Unless you have a child with additional needs then you just wouldn't understand. Like i said our son is everything to us, as is our daughter but his behaviour has impacted on the whole family in ways you couldn't imagine.

He's only four bless him but he's damaged our house beyond recognition so much so dh has had to work extra hours in order to pay £1000's out to plasterers, decorators and to buy new furniture. Our dd is so distressed by her brother's behaviour that she's started to blame us even though it's not our fault and like I said we have virtually zero family support.

We have been doing our best but are now at a stage were we are exhausted and yes, understandably a little down about the way things are, because let's face it when it comes to our son we can't change the way he is and whilst on one hand we wouldn't want to because that's who he is, on the other hand we are living on pins trying to keep him happy and calm so that he doesn't have another meltdown. Unless you've got children similar this then you have no idea how much effort and energy you need to just get through the day. So no! The problems with me and dh don't go any deeper than this, we have had a lot to deal with these last few years and we are finding it hard to come to terms with the fact that our lives have changed and will never quite be the same again.

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mrstweefromtweesville · 12/09/2015 08:30

The DH is having or planning an affair. Is he worth the effort of talking, trying to make the relationship work? Assess that, and make your decision accordingly.

NeveS · 12/09/2015 08:37

I know I've posted asking for advice but I all I asked really was am I over reacting, being paranoid, not if people think dh is going to cheat! Deep down in my heart I don't think that he'd actually cheat on me however that doesn't mean that I don't have the right to feel uneasy about him and this woman talking so often. My dh is really approachable and after 16 years together I can usually tell when he's lying or trying to cover something up, and this isn't me being deluded or in denial by the way, if you knew him you'd see what I mean, he couldnt lie to save his life. And as for making the relationship work well he knows that things aren't quite what they used to be but he's said his feelings haven't changed towards me and that we are just going through a bad patch. We are both trying to make that bit more effort but when we have no one to regularly mind our kids and he's working all the time and I'm studying, time just isn't a luxury we seem to have these days.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/09/2015 08:43

Things may have been fine two years ago but they are clearly not now and this woman is and has become the third person in your marriage. There are many problems within this relationship; you spend very little time together at all and how understanding for instance has he really been about your gynae problem?. (I hope you have already sought medical assistance for that issue).

The fact that you have a child also with additional needs does and will put an additional strain on your marriage. Where is your support for your son's additional needs; I would also suggest you post about your son's needs and the reaction of your DD to him on the SN Children's forum on this website because they would certainly understand and could give you some counsel.

Your DH is seeing a way out from his everyday mundane life and he wants to take things further with this woman. It will have consequences and you may well separate as a result. He is putting more emotional investment and time into this than he is into your relationship; he is susceptible to flattery and emotional attention (He probably feels he deserves some me time). She seems ready to start again too.

bendybootpumpkinpatch · 12/09/2015 08:43

Well then you've decided to answer your own question. You've talked yourself round and disagreed with posters who have experience and knowledge of this. So let him go then!

bendybootpumpkinpatch · 12/09/2015 08:44

He is putting more emotional investment and time into this than he is into your relationship; he is susceptible to flattery and emotional attention (He probably feels he deserves some me time). She seems ready to start again too.

This! !!!!!!^^^^

bigmouthstrikesagain · 12/09/2015 08:49

You are exhausted and under pressure as a couple. This woman understands the pressures that a child with additional needs puts on a family, I have a dd and ds on the spectrum as well. The problems you have in your relationship are to do with needing to regain intimacy and this will require effort and support so you can both feel secure in your relationship. I am in no position to judge if your dh is on the verge of being unfaithful but if you are insecure then you need to make him understand what is at risk here. He needs to put your relationship first and make an effort and possibly so do you.

I went up north for an overnight stay recently and stayed ravage house of a man I regularly chat with online, but he is a friend I have known for 26 years and dh knows there is nothing to worry about. I have many male friends as dh and I share a love of music and gig going but these days I go out more so my gig buddies are generally male. Dh has trust and our intimacy is not affected, this is the key. Try and meet this woman and see how she is and who she is. Good luck.

bigmouthstrikesagain · 12/09/2015 08:50

Ravage? Overnight!

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