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Can't believe I'm even asking this, but do I have anything to worry about?

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NeveS · 11/09/2015 20:25

Hi there, just warning you before hand that this may be a bit of a long one, sorry if I ramble on a bit, from the beginning. Me and my dh have been together for 16 years (since we were 16) and married for 10, we have two gorgeous children, dd age 11 and ds age 4. Our youngest has recently been diagnosed with Asd/Spd after three years of battling and dealing with his behaviours and meltdowns, it's been quite tough.

Basically we had our dd and life was rosey, and although we don't regret having our ds, not for a second me and dh as people and as a couple have changed so much. We get absolutely zero alone time, except for a couple of hours of an evening and that's if dh is on his early shift, if he's on lates he doesn't get home until gone 11pm by which time asleep.

Anyway I'd say we are a strong couple but these last few years have been trying and we spent some off time arguing and sniping at each other. Like I said we rarely get any alone time and we are lucky to get a night out together twice a year for our birthdays/anniversary. And although like I said we wouldn't change our family set up we have definitely changed as a couple.

Without meaning to come across as crude we haven't had sex since March! Partly to do with the fact I have a medical condition that makes me have irregular periods, sometimes going four months between them but then having one for up to six weeks! But there has been plenty of time inbetween if you like to dtd but it hasn't happened. I'm exhausted every night through looking after the kids all day and he's tired from working long shifts. When we have had the opportunity lately to be intimate (kids went to sisters once and sils another night for both our birthdays) we get half way in and dh suddenly loses his E! This is obviously emabrassing for him (despite me not making a big deal of it) but it's happened the last few times now and it's getting me down.

So comes the next bit. My dh takes our two kids camping every July with his mum and step dad, our kids love it and have been going for years, plus it gives me a little break. Well this year him and his parents make friends with a woman who's there with her two young kids, she happened to be a special needs link/support worker and she took an instant liking to our ds, fair enough. So this was the second day that they met and according to my dd they spent a lot a lot of time together (as a group) round the campfire, going into town etc. All is fine and they all come back from holiday excited to tell we what they've been up to and dh tells me more about this woman and that she'd love to come up to see us and meet me (as apparently dh was raving on about me to her) again fair enough, she seemed nice and I thought it'd be beneficial maybe to get some advice about ds, tips about dealing with his meltdowns etc.

A few days after dh got back from holiday this woman friend requested him on Facebook and since then her and dh have been talking quite a bit. Don't get me wrong he's been quite upfront about talking with her and he insists she is just a friend, and whilst on one hand I do believe him, on the other I feel a bit strange about it and maybe a bit envious (which I know sounds silly). He tends to talk with her first thing in a morning (when he's on his afternoon shift) and then again around 11pm/12midnight when he's home from work and I'm usually upstairs in bed. Now the only reason I know this is because his messages keep coming to my tablet. On the tablet the Facebook and messenger app are two separate apps so I'm on my Facebook some mornings and I'm getting messages through for dh as he's left his Facebook logged in on google so his messages come straight to me (if you get me?)

I'll admit I had a quick peek and then later read through most of them, they seem innocent but then lately have been getting a bit more personal. It's definitely 50/50 and I'd say she's messaging dh as much as he's messaging her and I don't want to be one of those jealous paranoid types and say he can't have a friend just because she's female but I feel a bit uncomfortable.

And there's more! My dh has "asked" if he can go away the last weekend in September to this music/beer festival up in the Lake District (at the camping site were he takes the kids every year, and we're he met this woman). I said yeah of course as after all I had my break when he took the kids away in July and I know that dh, like myself had been really stressed lately and deserves a rest. For me I couldn't go away on my own I'd be bored to death but il he said if he can sit there at the camp fire with a beer listening to some tunes and maybe go fishing during the day then he's happy.

Well, I found out yesterday that the woman who dh met in camping in July is also going to the festival! Apparently she's booked to go with her sister and a friend and dh has said that he still wants to go (despite me having, shall we say, my reservations!).

Now I just don't know what to make of this! If it was any male other than my dh i already know what I'd be thinking! But my dh, well I know him through and through, and know at the minute he's barely got the energy to manage me, yet alone another woman. This is what my grown up, rational head keeps telling me, ie that it's all very innocent, that he'd never cheat on me etc but my crazy head is taking over my rationale head and keeps saying woah!!!! this isn't right. I've spoken with dh and he insists constantly that if he sees this woman at the festival then he'll obviously speak with her and have a few drinks but that's as far as it will go! He says he has no interest in her sexually but that he thinks she's a nice person, that i'd really like her and get on with her and that our kids get on with hers so why not! Now.....am I being irrationally crazy or should I worry?

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HellKitty · 12/09/2015 08:51

But you're not both making an effort are you? You're upstairs reading his messages and he's downstairs writing them.

Dating and flirting have changed in the 16 years you've been together. When I was dating the 'morning' and 'goodnight' texts mean a lot, give you a warm glow that you know someone is thinking about you just before you go to sleep and first thing on their mind when you wake up. I have no idea if he's cheating or if he's going to but I think this is easily heading into emotional affair area. What would happen if you friended this woman on FB?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/09/2015 08:52

You've known each other since you were 16 and although you are still committed to him he is not on the same page as you are.

No you are not over reacting. You are perhaps minimising instead because the truth is that their friendship has crossed boundaries that should never be crossed. There is far too much emotional investment on both sides and you have a right to be bloody angry with him. She is no friend of your marriage but he's the one you need to talk to and now.

He does generally seem like a decent sort and he probably is but people do lie and he is not being fully honest with his own self, let alone you, here.

Will he go to marriage counselling with you?.

reasonstobecheerful123 · 12/09/2015 08:57

I agree with VFF - Nip it in the bud now.

"I know that she's only completed her divorce last year, she's lost a lot of friends and family due to this and from looking at her Facebook page she doesn't seem to have a lot of friends! so the thought that maybe she's just lonely has popped into my mind."

Not your or your husband's problem.

Coolforthesummer · 12/09/2015 08:59

I do understand as I have two dc similar to yours and I'm afraid my marriage didn't survive. And it was as a direct result of the stress and strain this puts on day to day life.

You are not overreacting re his texting.

His over-investment in this 'friendship' is completely separate from the issues you have at home.

Coolforthesummer · 12/09/2015 09:00

You are asking, do I have anything to worry about? Most of us are saying, yes you do.

NeveS · 12/09/2015 09:02

Sorry, I do appreciate all the advice and comments and I'm sorry if it seems like I'm taking them on board, I am trust me, I'm just really confused and don't know how to feel.

Attila, hi yes I'm on medication for my medical condition, be had it for years now so dh is used to it and before now it's never even been an issue. We always found ways of being intimate when it's that time of the month and we've both been happy with it. Regards to my ds he is quite newly diagnosed so support is currently being put in place. We've got the money to pay a babysitter and have used one twice but ds didn't cope and both times we were back home within two hours so there's no point trying that again. Dh's family are great but his parents are a lot older than mine and his sister's work non stop so we don't like to lean on them too much and my family/parents are hopeless and like to play the doting grandparents/aunties/uncles etc but actually have never babysat and do sod all for us despite knowing that we are struggling.

And yes, i do agree that my dh wants to escape his life for a bit but I do understand that feeling as when things are bad I could run away myself and not come back! I don't want to be the nagging wife who dictates what he can and can't do, I've never been that type of person, so what do I do? Because I don't know.

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HellKitty · 12/09/2015 09:05

Hmm..if this woman is a care worker with SEN children the. Maybe you could ask her to babysit while you both go away?!

Seriously, friend her on FB. Ask her advice. Don't build her up to be this imaginary man stealer when she could be innocent. I do think that these late night chats need nipping in the bud though.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/09/2015 09:14

Hi NeveS,

re your comment:-
"Attila, hi yes I'm on medication for my medical condition, be had it for years now so dh is used to it and before now it's never even been an issue. We always found ways of being intimate when it's that time of the month and we've both been happy with it".

If you are not already under the care of a gynae you should be. This is a matter for them, not the GP. Do you have a diagnosis of the problem (I have very irregular periods and the cause in my case was PCOS). Pills are all very well and good but they do not address the underlying cause. Also bleeding for a great length of time if it keeps happening could make you become anaemic. Your comment in your initial post stated that you have not had sex since March, this problem needs further addressing now.

"Regards to my ds he is quite newly diagnosed so support is currently being put in place. We've got the money to pay a babysitter and have used one twice but ds didn't cope and both times we were back home within two hours so there's no point trying that again. Dh's family are great but his parents are a lot older than mine and his sister's work non stop so we don't like to lean on them too much and my family/parents are hopeless and like to play the doting grandparents/aunties/uncles etc but actually have never babysat and do sod all for us despite knowing that we are struggling"

What support is being put in place for him particularly with regards to school?. Where is your support generally; have you spoken to the NAS?. Do you claim DLA/PIP for your son?. If not this needs consideration. Do post on the SN Children's forum re your son; you will get further advice there from people who have indeed been there. You also need to find a SN babysitter or ask his parents to babysit their grandson at your house. Lean on these reliable people a bit more, this is your marriage that is struggling on here partly because of the day to day pressures you are both under and his emotional affair could well bring about its collapse completely. Your DH is overtly sharing with another woman partly because of the stress that your marriage is under.

"And yes, i do agree that my dh wants to escape his life for a bit but I do understand that feeling as when things are bad I could run away myself and not come back! I don't want to be the nagging wife who dictates what he can and can't do, I've never been that type of person, so what do I do? Because I don't know".

Never consider yourself the nagging wife here. He would undoubtedly be unhappy if his wife was emotionally overinvesting with another man. This woman is no friend of your marriage; if she was she would have backed off long before now. There is an attraction between them.

rainbowstardrops · 12/09/2015 09:24

I really feel for you Neve. Your life sounds incredibly tough right now and this situation with your DH isn't helping at all.
Only you know him and whether you can trust him, so you just have to trust your gut instincts.
For me, if I found out my husband was messaging another woman first thing in the morning and last thing at night then I wouldn't be at all comfortable with that. To me, that goes beyond the boundaries of a purely innocent friendship. Sorry.
It clearly bothers you too, so I'd ask DH to reign in the messages a bit and if he is truly on the same page as you and can see it's unsettling you then it shouldn't be a problem to him. After all, surely he's more concerned in your well-being as opposed to a mere friend he's met once?
I think it's a huge coincidence that they're both going to this festival if I'm honest and it's inevitable that they'll meet up. That would make me feel very uncomfortable.
Maybe she's just lonely and enjoyed his company/text friendship and maybe he's flattered by some attention in his otherwise hectic life but I would be very, very wary.
Do PIL's live near to the festival? Could they have dc's for a few hours so that you can go too?
You need to talk to DH and tell him exactly how you're feeling. If there's nothing to worry about then I hope he'll do all he can to reassure you.
Hope life calms down for you soon Flowers

NeveS · 12/09/2015 09:50

Thank you, i know you are right. Me and dh need to sit down and talk properly, it's hard riding the time but it has to be done. Forgot to mention that thes last few months I've been feeling really low anyway so I've been put on anti depressants! This isn't something I wanted but I got to a point were I wasn't coping well with every day life so I felt I had no choice. I'm guilty in the fact that I've probably not been paying dh as much attention but I've been feeling that tired and lethargic I've just not been myself so I feel partly to blame.

As for the support with our son well apart from portage service everything else is still being putting into place. He started school last week but doesn't go full time until October. I already feel that dh's family do enough for us and all they can so don't feel like I can ask for more and my family, like I said "don't do babysitting" so unless we find a really good sn babysitter we are stuck for getting some alone time.

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AndDeepBreath · 12/09/2015 09:56

This is me asking a very inexperienced and probably stupid question ... but is there any chance at all that it'll take a while (longer than 2 times) for your boy to get used to babysitters? Or is there anyway you could hire a babysitter and then go sit upstairs together? (I'm thinking as I write this that its probably not, and I'm sorry if those are stupid thoughts).

I really feel for you too, and as for the poster up thread who said they couldn't believe someone could be controlling like this, are you kidding? They're texting every day all day! That's not "regular" friendship - I don't do that with anyone except husband - not BFFs or family. This isn't about attacking a bloke's friendship with a woman, it's about trying to prevent the end of a marriage.

And yes, relationships can last "forever". They change of course and so will the people in them, but they're not instantly over because of problems like this, and the OP has a right to work on this.

AndDeepBreath · 12/09/2015 09:57

Ah, cross post, sorry!

Re feeling awful, have you had iron, b12 and thyroid tested? I'm on various pills at the moment since quite a late miscarriage to build up from anaemia and they're helping!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/09/2015 10:04

NeveS

Its no shame at all to take anti depressants.

Its a given that you and DH have to start talking to each other. DO not be at all afraid to lean on his parents further particularly as they are helpful, infact he should be doing that now to help you and he. Does he not realise that his marriage is heading headlong towards crisis point also partly because of this other woman he's been incessantly messaging as well?. Again this woman is no friend of your marriage.

Re your son what else are they suggesting re support for your son at school?. Portage is good but he will need more than this. Has anyone suggested an EHCP to you?. This is a legal document that will set out your son's needs and support. You can yourself apply for this from the LEA in question.

You may be interested in something like this as well:-

www.snapchildcare.co.uk/

If you have not yet applied for DLA/PIP consider doing so as well.

NeveS · 12/09/2015 10:04

Hi, no I've not had any of those tests, I am quite over weight though so I think it's something to do with this. Now before anyone assumes that dh has lost his attraction for me due to my size, well I was this size when we first met so I'd be surprised. Anyway I've been unable to get my diet and weight under control because I felt so low but now that I've started on the anti depressants I feel a bit better and I've managed to lose a stone this last month, so it's going in the right direction.

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NeveS · 12/09/2015 10:09

Sorry, yes school are putting in place one to one supper for him and they have mentioned the ehcp. As for my dh he's quite an intelligent man on the whole but is a typical man and isn't always aware of the emotional side of things and can be a bit oblivious sometimes unless I directly point something out. I don't think he understands how confused and unsettled I feel about the whole thing, he just keeps saying he's lost a lot friends (we both have due to never going out anymore) an that he just finds her interesting to talk to and that she knows a lot about SN and she's been helpfull giving him advice regarding our son!

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Intheprocess · 12/09/2015 10:15

NeveS

Understand a bit better now, I can't imagine how hard things are for you and your family. Perhaps your DP would benifit from some solo counselling? He may be unable to deal with the stress and also unable to express his feelings to you, and is reaching his limit. If left unresolved, the stress may make him ill or eventually lead to him having some kind of affair. It would be better for all concerned if he was talking to an independent professional instead of a single woman who may have a romantic interest in him.

AndDeepBreath · 12/09/2015 10:34

Just to reiterate what Attila said, there's absolutely no shame in antidepressants. They help restore chemical balances, it's nothing to do with fault! Likewise no matter what your weight is, it's definitely worth getting tested for other issues, especially the iron one which can be caused by or symptom of period problems.

And yes to the family helping out especially now ... You know the dynamics so much better than any of us can, but could you explain you feel like you're reaching a crisis point and you urgently need extra help?

AndDeepBreath · 12/09/2015 10:35

Ps you sound like an awesome mum and I hope as your son starts school that things might get a bit easier for your whole family Flowers

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/09/2015 10:36

"Sorry, yes school are putting in place one to one supper for him and they have mentioned the ehcp"

Re the EHCP, mentioning it and actually applying for it are two very different things however. They could sit on such for ages, you really therefore need to apply for this yourself and asap. You are truly best placed to fight his corner for him, this is also because no-one else will.

You need to firmly start pointing out your own unhappiness to him and deal with this as a couple through counselling; both together and separately if needs be. Your marriage is on the line here and he is investing his own self emotionally elsewhere.

Your DH now needs to step up properly for both himself and his family that he has also created. This woman is no friend of your marriage. He needs support from a professional organisation like the NAS; not a woman who may also be developing an attraction to him due to common interest and circumstances.

AndDeepBreath · 12/09/2015 10:44

Come to think of it, you do have to wonder a tiny bit about this woman's professionalism - she must know how hard this situation is on relationships, and she must know herself how close they've become. Is anyone really that oblivious when daily texting a guy they know is married, and planning to meet up?

BeyonceRiRiMadonnna · 12/09/2015 11:23

If you trust your husband I really don't see what the problem is.

You are his wife and not his keeper. You need to trust him to do right by you. If he doesn't, it's his choice and nothing you do will stop him from cheating! It could be with this woman, or it could be with someone else. If he wants to cheat, he will.

Not all men are cheaters, not all men follow a script. Sometimes MN can create issues where there aren't any.

AndDeepBreath · 12/09/2015 11:39

Beyonce, that's a bit like saying "if there's no problem then there's no problem". Actually, whether anything whatsoever is going on or not (and I agree and have said before on MN that I don't buy the "all men/people are cheaters" line), there IS a lack of trust caused by this friendship which is pretty intense, and it's one of the things which Neve and her DH need to work on. She's not being neurotic to worry about things. That doesn't make her DH a cheat.

LucySnow12 · 12/09/2015 13:24

In the past, "friendships" developed openly and gradually. With the advent of FB, email and instant messaging, "friendships" now can grow in a very secret place only accessible to the two participants - giving that "friendship" an undeserved but intense intimacy. Added to the mix, is the ability for constant and endless contact which can become like an addiction.

Neve, I really feel for you and I think you need to discuss, right now, the worry you have over your husband's correspondence with this women. Especially as you say, it is becoming more personal.

Having children, is a challenge to any relationship and even more so if a child has SN. You both sound really worn down and disconnected with each other - that happens in marriages. The good thing is you have recognised it but now you must act. You really have to start making time as a couple and focussing on each other just in your day to day lives.

Start being kind and generous to each other. Meet him with a smile. My H and I have just come through a rough patch. It can be done. Here's an article my H shared with me about how to keep your relationship healthy:

www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/06/happily-ever-after/372573/

Right now, your H is getting a lot of positive feelings from his correspondence with this woman. Her constant emails make him feel special, wanted, desired as a person, worthwhile. Her attention makes him feel good as it would anyone.

But the thing is, YOU and HE should be supplying these feelings to each other.

He can be friends with her but you need to establish boundaries. I would not find it right, if the first act of my H in the morning and the last of the evening was to message another woman. That's something couples do when they are dating.

As for intimacy, get in bed together kiss and touch each other, hold each other. You don't have to have full on sex to be intimate.

I really wish you well. Reach out to each other, share your feelings, tell him you love him.

FaceFullOfFilleronthe45 · 12/09/2015 14:01

If you felt that your child was on the road to getting themselves in trouble with the police you wouldn't sit back and say nothing on the basis that so far they haven't been arrested, would you? If someone you seems to be hurtling towards some kind of disaster you say something to intervene before the shit hits the fan, surely.

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 12/09/2015 16:49

I teally, really would see if she can come and visit. She needs to meet you so she can see you are a real genuine person who is married to her friend.

Also say that you understand he feels he has lost friends but you feel like you ate losing some of his friendship, do perhaps she can be a friend ro both of you and a slightly less intense friend to your dh. Perhaps he would like to send you a message every morning instead (sounfs bonkers when you are in the same house but it takes thought to send a msg. Thought that it easy to forget to.put in when you take someone for granted)

Yes it is hard to think of doing more work when you work so hard already but you both need to work on your rs.

Perhaps if she visits she can babysit for a few hrs and you can go out. (I know babysitters are tricky and I have very little experience of SN in children but is there not a case for saying he will have to get used to it even if it is distressing as he will be going to school and will need to be used to it there. Apologies if this is totally wrong but she as a SN worker may be better placed to help)..

Try to make her an ally now before she becomes the enemy.

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