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Need some words of wisdom re new man and my own attitudes

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beaglesaresweet · 23/08/2015 02:38

I suppose it's a question re old 'head vs heart' dilemma, or head vs lust for that matter. Sorry it's going to be long and going round in circles, but I feel I need to get to grips with either the need to change myself, or to stick to my ideals (but are they as important as I think).
I've been single for a few years now and for a while been really keen to meet someone as while it's nice being free and single, I had enough of it now, I also feel I've learned a lot and would be a better partner to someone than previously (used to be too demanding of attention/emotionally, still not perfect but much better).
Anyway so for the last few years a few men that I could see myself with were not single - some showed interest in me but I wasn't going to get involved with a married man. I have quite a clear picture in my head as to what my OH should be, and hat includes not just personality but also compatibility on a social/intelligence level - and that is my current problem.
For the first time in ages someone got really interested in me (at least the signs are there that he is genuinely into me) who is free. He is separated and lived apart from the ex for two years, they will be divorcing once the house sells.
Anyway I do like him a lot. Firstly I really fancy him, and hat hasn't happened for a while with others. Secondly I like the fact he noticed me first and then has built up our contact and initiated helping me (met through work related activity) and just been openly interested and no games etc, but also respectful even though after I first invited him in on friendly basis he got a bit enthusiastic with texts and a little too ken - but that calmed down and is ok now. I also like that we share a strong interest related to work which is for both of us is quite a passion, not just work. He's also my age - again recent years it was interest from much older or younger guys (online and in rl).
We've moved on quite a bit after a few friendly meet-ups, and it's getting very steamy now (but I'm just managing to resist the actual DTD). I feel like once I go there, I'll really get involved and even fall for him but based on amazing physical compatibility. And the fact he likes me a lot generally. He told me jokingly I'm his perfect match and a future mrs, but then said I'm just joking when he saw my jaw dropping (this was back a few dates). We've been out too and he tends to treat me and take me out when we both have time, so it's not just the kissing. Last two dates were mainly us nearly having sex.
So what's the problem? He's not my 'picture' that's been in my head building up while I was single and not even the type I ve ever got involved with before - and I'm not sure whether it's silly to stick to one, or is it actually wise. Basically it's a difference in lifestyle, habits and education. I'm not from an elite class by any means but I've put a lot of time and effort into education on my favourite subject and I also an from an academic family so I've read a lot as a child. I like articulate men - he isn't! My exH was vey similar to me in tastes and was very articulate but the irony - we were not a good match sexually at all. He's intelligent but in a limited way - e.g. it's not much use voicing any concerns or hinting or using a metaphor even when it comes to our budding relationship - he doesn't get it or just ignores what I say and sort of goes on to something else. He's generally very unexpressive and I like hearing a man talk a bit of his feeling to me. But he is practically helpful. I'm just not feeling the strong romantic element myself. He does seem a genuine and warm hearted guy though I don't really know him yet - but judging from what he's like at work and with people generally. He already tried to introduce me to his friends on a second date - and told me he felt like boasting to then about me. I did say let's slow down - so he did listen but did introduce me t a few without warning so to speak. think this is lack of experience/intelligence, he's in his 40s!
Then it's his habits - he eats quite a lot of unhealthy food, his work is partly physical so I know he wants chips and sugary stuff but when I talked about it being concerned for his health. he is just dismissive ion a good natured way. I'm used to be quite fussy and with all the exes went to restaurants/cafes, he's a lot of beer in a pub man. I'm not at all saying it's wrong -he's a great guy in many ways, but he's not someone who would just change if someone told him to, not subservient, and I feel like I would hae to fall in with his habits more, especially as his social life is entirely centred around the pub and I'm new to the area so will be going along. Otoh I admire how he is part of a community (something I haven't seen much as I'm from london) and is liked and feels confident there etc.
His taste in entertainment/cultural stuff again are different (though we both like music).
Basically I'd love a friend like this, so it's not being snobbish. But in this case I happen to really fancy him (and he fancies me of course as he chased me) and it's very hard to resist and just stay friends. But the point I really really want an LTR so I don't want a fling (I can't do casual sex now or fwb) and I have to switch my head on before getting involved. I ve decided last time I saw him that I will be firm and kissing is as far it goes, but I already got carried away and got more involved the next time and pretty much having sex.
I also realise I've been feeling very lonely lately and such attention and attraction from an available guy is hard to resist. I feel like stopping it now is not quite justified, like my reasons sound feeble? BUt when I really step back and not see him for a few days, I think it's obvious that we are not going to work long term as breaking life time habits is so hard. But maybe I should completely open my mind? Or am I right to think that it's unrealistic for either of us to change and both are actually comfortable with their choices/tastes! But then I think - what of all the exes or dates I've been that hadn't led to anything lasting so far for all the other reasons (not a nice person, attraction not strong enough) that this guy has?
The problem is also a complete lack of decent single guys of the cultured sort of type that I like, it's this sort of age, the ones out there are invariably much older, plus I'm not perfect by far and those single wouldn't be jumping to get together with me necessarily. Even though a number of men still notice me, I'm not in a stable group where I meet many people so something can build up. It's hard. And I need my OH to be a good reliable person, and this guy is likely to be that. I just don't know - I wish I could take it much slower but whether knowingly or not he got me really going physically now and I feel pushed to make a decision soon one way or the other. Maybe he is more clever than I think in the sense of influencing someone - I thought the way he sounded confident that I was his match was a bit cocky but what if he is actually right.
Whoever had the patience to read - you are a saint!

OP posts:
TheStoic · 23/08/2015 04:34

I don't think you sound compatible.

When you ask if it is unrealistic if 'either of you' change, you clearly mean him.

Take him as he is, or move on and allow him to do so too.

(And honestly, if someone I was dating commented to me about my diet, I would see that as a huge tex

TheStoic · 23/08/2015 04:35

*red flag.

ThisIsFolkGirl · 23/08/2015 04:37

I think you're overthinking it a little.

You can't analyse absolutely everything someone does - we all get things right and we all get things wrong on occasion.

I wonder if there's a sense of you (maybe subconsciously) seeking approval because you're anticipating disapproval from your peers and it will make you stronger to resist the shame. If that makes sense? A bit of educational/intellectual/cultural snobbery, maybe..?

Because if he's a nice guy, you get on and you fancy him, why not just see how it goes? There are no guarantees with any new relationships - it could work out/not work out with any one for any reason.

And, lets face it, your current type hasn't worked out well so far.

(I'm intelligent and educated - as are my friends - they include doctors (medical and academic), business owners, head teachers etc and we all manage to have intelligent conversation over a very nice real ale. Pubs aren't the 7th circle of hell, you know Wink)

daisychain01 · 23/08/2015 05:34

Are you getting yourself in a bit of a spin because you are putting pressure on yourself to "have to" decide on your feelings about this guy, because of the prospect of a physical side to the relationship developing?

It seems like you are getting to that tipping point to and are saying to yourself that you must make up your mind, and quickly!

The fact is you haven't yet made up your mind about him. Chances are that,after the novelty of the physical side has worn off, those things you dont like now, will grate on your nerves. I don't think he sounds like the right person if you are feeling this way so early on.

Shutthatdoor · 23/08/2015 06:27

he's a great guy in many ways, but he's not someone who would just change if someone told him to, not subservient, and I feel like I would hae to fall in with his habits more,

Why should he change? You are expecting him to change for you, but you aren't prepared to do the same.

No one should 'tell' someone to change. For me that would venture into controlling behaviour.

Minime85 · 23/08/2015 06:59

Way over thinking. Just get on with DtD and if things are developing in the next 6 months then have this conversation with yourself. I think you are worrying too early on into it all whether it will be a LTR

Paperblank · 23/08/2015 07:03

It sounds to me like you are looking for an "out" - I have no doubt that you like this chap but you don't like him enough to accept who he is because he doesn't fit your idea.

This your issue not his. Please do not ask him to change. You can either accept his perceived "flaws" or you can't and if you can't accept them then you need to end the relationship.

whatyouseeiswhatyouget · 23/08/2015 07:29

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category12 · 23/08/2015 07:30

I think the pub social life thing would be a problem - for you, the novelty would wear off - for him, it's his friendship group and leisure activity. (I am biased, my ex spent all our spare cash and his free time down the pub). If you think these incompatibilities are big enough that you couldn't happily accept your differences, then do stop. You know yourself.

ThisIsFolkGirl · 23/08/2015 07:45

Ooh I missed that bit anbout him not being the sort to change if you asked him. Shock

Tbh, I think you're flying more red flags here than he is.

Theydontknowweknowtheyknow · 23/08/2015 07:46

He sounds lush. Send him my way Grin

I think you're being a bit picky and if you gave it a chance you might find that he's a good match in that he complements you. You don't have to lose your identity in him (sounds like that is what you're worried about) and it might be a refreshing change to be with someone who is outside your normal zone.

Plus the being reliable and kind is a good thing. Intelligence isn't the be all and end all.

So I say give it a go, accept him, stop trying to change him in terms of diet, mannerisms, and concentrate on getting to know him not shaping him into the person you want him to be. Then in say a month's time see how you feel.

Theydontknowweknowtheyknow · 23/08/2015 07:49

And YY to the red flag about you!! He isn't malleable enough for you?! It sounds like that is part of the problems you had in the past so knock that on the head right now because it sounds controlling!

niceupthedance · 23/08/2015 08:01

I wouldn't go there for the pub thing alone. I think you're not compatible long term but if you fancy him, have sex with him and see where it goes?

swisscheesetony · 23/08/2015 08:10

It's not him, it's you.

You need to rip up that list and grab life by the horns.

What part of the damned attractive, attentive, kind, generous, thoughtful, funny man who you freely admit is a lovely friend and who sets your pants on fire is not what you're looking for?

Perhaps he uses a knife and fork rather than chopsticks - seriously? A deal-breaker?

Give yourself a chance to be happy and stop trying to mould him - celebrate the differences.

DoreenLethal · 23/08/2015 08:10

Could you live with someone who doesn't get metaphors though? Not sure I could. I use them all the time.

WipsGlitter · 23/08/2015 08:17

You're really analysing it. And tbh that makes you sound hard work. Have you had many long term relationships?

ThisIsFolkGirl · 23/08/2015 08:18

Not getting metaphors would be hard for me.

As for the pub, it would depend whether he frequents pubs that show football and drinks lager and pork scratchings, or whether he goes to interesting pubs and drinks real ale.

You never know, you might learn something from him.

DrMorbius · 23/08/2015 08:28

I also feel I've learned a lot and would be a better partner to someone than previously (used to be too demanding of attention/emotionally, still not perfect but much better).

Really! Well I would hate to have read your post from your 'demanding' phase. You sound far too self centred and controlling. On one hand you seem to like being put on a pedestal but then complain about there being a lifestyle, habits and education imbalance.

Why don't you write down on paper exactly how much you would change him (if you had a magic wand) and then perhaps you will see how incompatible you are.

Let him go and find someone who will appreciate him.

Pickedmypoison · 23/08/2015 08:33

Honestly you are way over-analysing it. That is one of the longest op's I have ever seen.

I would take it slowly and see where it goes.

Lightbulbon · 23/08/2015 08:34

You're just not that into him.

Let it go.

You are only dragging this out because you want a relationship not because you want a relationship with him.

IFancyRichard · 23/08/2015 08:38

Lightbulbon has it spot on.

I'm guilty of this overanalysing and "it's not right...but maybe...am I throwing away something good...but I don't see it working" mental monologue. You've just put it into print ????

patterkiller · 23/08/2015 08:39

I would really feel for him if you did decide to get into a relationship with him. He will never meet your standards will he? Imagine yourself in a relationship where you always felt not good enough. Let him go and find someone who appreciates him in his entirety.

IFancyRichard · 23/08/2015 08:40

Beagles. I think a few people will slate you for being too demanding but I'm taking your post as someone who's got a healthy self esteem but badly wants a relationship and can't work out whether compromise is the way forward. Sometimes yes. In this case I think you will make each other very unhappy.

Georgethesecond · 23/08/2015 08:44

Well in the long term it probably won't work because those incompatibilities will bug the hell out of you. But you could have some sex for now.

Cloppysow · 23/08/2015 08:57

He sounds happy with who he is, you don't. Move on.