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Friendship issues over children and infertility - how can I try to keep it ok?

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SallyStarbuck · 03/07/2015 20:06

I'm just at a bit of a loss how to try and keep this friendship going, how to handle it on a day by day basis, and wondered if anyone had any good advice.

My oldest friend is sadly looking likely to not be able to have biological children. They are in the middle of several rounds of IVF. They are unsure if they want to foster or adopt.

I have one DC. We are aiming to try for another very soon, as there is already quite a large age gap and I'm in my mid-thirties.

This is already causing serious issues, which is no surprise at all. She has recently been hugely and bravely honest about how she feels, and how she feels around people with DC. I admire her immensely for sharing this with me, and I have told her that I wouldn't care if she didn't contact me for years because it was too hard - I'll still be her friend, and I'll still be here when she needs me.

It's been complicated by us both moving in recent years so we're a long way apart and can't see each other often at all. It's been six months now. Due to the my job, my DH's job and her job it's almost impossible to get everyone's diary agreeing so I have childcare and can go to hers (far enough away that one of us would need to stay overnight). She used to come and stay at mine, but that is understandably off the cards as my young DC is here and she finds the idea of that too difficult at the moment.

Our calls have dropped off, our texts and emails too. She has told me she feels too awkward - if I don't mention anything about DD she knows I am deliberately avoiding that topic, and that makes her feel terrible as if I am fudging and lying about my life, but equally she finds it too upsetting at the moment to hear about other people's children.

I want to support her, desperately, but I know simply by having a child and by fortunately not having had any fertility issues that there is little I can do. I try texting about random, normal things in life but then feel as though I am ignoring this enormous issue in her life and that must be hurtful - but then if I ask, I feel like I'm bringing it up all the time when she might want to forget it.

I know this sounds a bit "me, me, me" when this situation clearly is not, but I'm just at a loss how to carry on. Things are strained. She texted the other day with a very clear "tell me how things are with you, not with me" and so I did, and her reply was very short, so she is clearly uncomfortable.

My biggest fear is that our planned time TTC may very well coincide with her last round of IVF, and how can I tell her that I am expecting if I do fall pregnant?

I just wondered if anyone had any wise words? I want to be there for her and help her but I don't know what to do. I feel as though everything I do will be the wrong choice, as I know I can't even begin to understand how she is feeling and what she is going through.

Sorry this is rather waffly Blush

OP posts:
Offred · 05/07/2015 10:47

I think that's really ignorant andcake tbh. No-one is saying infertility isn't terrible but personally I resent the implication that women who struggle to conceive have it worse than women who have to deal with raising a child with a rapist.

Bucketandshpade · 05/07/2015 10:47

OPyou sound lovely and you'll probably have to accept that you just can't make it right for her at the moment. Honestly it isn't about you.

I've reported this thread because of the offensive and pig ignorant aggression on it. Really disgusting - and probably reveals more about the poster tbh.

Offred · 05/07/2015 10:47

Some things are just awful and everyone deserves understanding, but not without limits.

Bucketandshpade · 05/07/2015 11:00

Offred no one is implying that because this thread isn't about you.Hmm

Offred · 05/07/2015 11:07

People who posted after I posted what happened to me saying infertility is worse than anything else are I think.

Bucketandshpade · 05/07/2015 11:10

For them, perhaps it is. They will never be mothers, or grandmothers, ever. Their position in society and their usefulness will be questioned, as will the "choices" that resulted in a childless life.

No one is minimising your experience. But there isn't a hierarchy of pain and for many women they would endure ANYTHING for a baby. ANYTHING.

patienceisvirtuous · 05/07/2015 11:11

Who are these 'people' Offred, aside from Cake?

Bucketandshpade · 05/07/2015 11:14

Offred has apparently been regularly targetted for her fertility. Hmm
Aye.

Offred · 05/07/2015 11:14

Well that is really my point. My post was address personally to andcake who stated that nothing apart from cancer was worse. I don't think there is or should be a hierarchy of pain.

Offred · 05/07/2015 11:15

WTAF bucket anaphase?! And you've reported the thread for hate?! Jeez... Yes I have been, on here and in RL. What would you know about it?

patienceisvirtuous · 05/07/2015 11:15

I think infertility is something that many people who aren't infertile dismiss with little empathy, without thinking it through properly.

Put yourself in that woman's shoes and think about what this means for her relationships, her daily life, her family life, the years that stretch out ahead. There's a reason it's such an emotive topic.

Offred · 05/07/2015 11:16

*Bucketandspade

Bucketandshpade · 05/07/2015 11:17

I don't doubt you've been targetted but I don't think it'd be for your fertility.

Offred · 05/07/2015 11:18

Yes patience but empathy should only go so far. It isn't ok to make your burden everyone else's problem to the extent that others have to lie about themselves and keep their problems/lives separate and secret. No matter what the burden is. If that is happening surely the friendship is no longer viable.

Offred · 05/07/2015 11:18

?

patienceisvirtuous · 05/07/2015 11:25

I think it's about tact.

Using the cancer analogy, if you were visiting a friend who wasn't well, you wouldn't go on and on about how healthy you are?

If you are well off and your friend is poor, you don't talk endlessly about your lavish lifestyle.

Unfortunately when you're going through infertility it's mainly played down because most people don't know what to say but you're constantly surrounded by talk of children and family life. In my case usually endlessly and tactlessly - but unlike some I just plaster on a smile and gracefully go along with it.

The OP doesn't sound like this, but a lovely friend, and hopefully has got some reassurance that she is handling things well.

Hissy · 05/07/2015 11:28

The day that our dc constitute an elephant in the room in a friendship, is the day that there ceases to BE a friendship.

Hissy · 05/07/2015 11:30

I agree patience about sensitivity, but there is no evidence the op is being insensitive. The friend even asked how she was, but then was clipped in her reply. It sounds to me that she's stoking the issues here.

Bucketandshpade · 05/07/2015 11:31

What should the OP's friend do Hissy? All she appears to be doing is gently backing away from something she is finding painful

Hissy · 05/07/2015 11:32

Why are people being such utter bitches to offred?

SuckMySquallop · 05/07/2015 11:32

Offred: " It isn't ok to make your burden everyone else's problem to the extent that others have to lie about themselves and keep their problems/lives separate and secret."

Precisely. The pseudo-friend thinks its OK to unload and guilt trip the OP. Not surprising then that the OP says she doesnt "need" her. The values of this "friendship" are evident and its all the OP doing the legwork while her pseudo-friend acts like its the end of the world. And it isnt.

Pseudo-friend should have a good look at the wider world to see that there ARE things more grim than what she's going through. Pseudo-friend isnt a special case and should think herself luck that she isnt living in places like Raqqa/Syria or other impoverished places where staying alive for 24 hours is in itself a life-and-death situation.

Bucketandshpade · 05/07/2015 11:34

It was your posts I reported Suckmysquallop.

You realise you're massively projecting? Get some help.

SuckMySquallop · 05/07/2015 11:36

Report all you like Bucketandspade. I stand by what I wrote - you/others may take offence, but I voiced an opinion as did you and others.

Sorry, I dont kow-tow to the masses, otherwise whats the point of a discussion board?

Feel free to report this one as well if it helps you feel better. Smile

patienceisvirtuous · 05/07/2015 11:41

I said that hissy, that OP sounds like a lovely friend, and in an earlier post, to back away if her friend isn't treating her well. There isn't an excuse for that.

Re the elephant in the room thing, it doesn't have to be like that. You just adjust the topics of conversation to suit your audience, i.e. talk endlessly about DC with mum friends if it suits; tone it down more if you're spending time with infertile friend.

Bucketandshpade · 05/07/2015 11:41

It was your overpowering aggression and vitriol that speaks volumes about you. Deciding that an anonymous third party referred to on an anonymous website is "fucking bitch" etc is downright weird.

To me you don't come off as sepme who "says it like it is" but more as someone who is very unhappy.

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