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Friendship issues over children and infertility - how can I try to keep it ok?

103 replies

SallyStarbuck · 03/07/2015 20:06

I'm just at a bit of a loss how to try and keep this friendship going, how to handle it on a day by day basis, and wondered if anyone had any good advice.

My oldest friend is sadly looking likely to not be able to have biological children. They are in the middle of several rounds of IVF. They are unsure if they want to foster or adopt.

I have one DC. We are aiming to try for another very soon, as there is already quite a large age gap and I'm in my mid-thirties.

This is already causing serious issues, which is no surprise at all. She has recently been hugely and bravely honest about how she feels, and how she feels around people with DC. I admire her immensely for sharing this with me, and I have told her that I wouldn't care if she didn't contact me for years because it was too hard - I'll still be her friend, and I'll still be here when she needs me.

It's been complicated by us both moving in recent years so we're a long way apart and can't see each other often at all. It's been six months now. Due to the my job, my DH's job and her job it's almost impossible to get everyone's diary agreeing so I have childcare and can go to hers (far enough away that one of us would need to stay overnight). She used to come and stay at mine, but that is understandably off the cards as my young DC is here and she finds the idea of that too difficult at the moment.

Our calls have dropped off, our texts and emails too. She has told me she feels too awkward - if I don't mention anything about DD she knows I am deliberately avoiding that topic, and that makes her feel terrible as if I am fudging and lying about my life, but equally she finds it too upsetting at the moment to hear about other people's children.

I want to support her, desperately, but I know simply by having a child and by fortunately not having had any fertility issues that there is little I can do. I try texting about random, normal things in life but then feel as though I am ignoring this enormous issue in her life and that must be hurtful - but then if I ask, I feel like I'm bringing it up all the time when she might want to forget it.

I know this sounds a bit "me, me, me" when this situation clearly is not, but I'm just at a loss how to carry on. Things are strained. She texted the other day with a very clear "tell me how things are with you, not with me" and so I did, and her reply was very short, so she is clearly uncomfortable.

My biggest fear is that our planned time TTC may very well coincide with her last round of IVF, and how can I tell her that I am expecting if I do fall pregnant?

I just wondered if anyone had any wise words? I want to be there for her and help her but I don't know what to do. I feel as though everything I do will be the wrong choice, as I know I can't even begin to understand how she is feeling and what she is going through.

Sorry this is rather waffly Blush

OP posts:
Offred · 05/07/2015 10:03

And I want to add that you can't help...

She has fertility problems, she has to deal with that fact and preferably without making it into everyone else who has a child's problem. If she can't I think you should rethink the friendship because she isn't being a friend to YOU. Being a parent can be tough, if she won't hear anything about your life with DC she is not supportive to you and any support you try an give her will a. Always be wrong because you have DC and b. Never be returned.

Offred · 05/07/2015 10:05

I've never been so inconsiderate of others just because I've been "bang slap in the middle of the worst time of [my] life" because my difficulties have not been the general population's problem. It's like hating black people because one black guy mugged you. Not ok.

SuckMySquallop · 05/07/2015 10:06

So what if she is in the middle of IVF? What has that go to do with the price of bread?

Why should OP have to tread on eggshells worrying about how to tell her pseudo-friend that she may be pregnant?

We all have ups/downs in life - but I fail to see why the OP should pander to the whims of her pseudo-friend when she's being the IVF-martyr.

The IVF issues are NOT the OPs making and that her pseudo-friend cant differentiate that between and the OP's life which does involve her DC, then yes, the pseudo-friend is nothing short of a self centred bitch.

Compassion works both ways - the OP has shown more than her fair share. The same cannot be said about her pseudo-bitch-friend.

Hissy · 05/07/2015 10:09

I couldn't be friends with someone who was upset at my happiness.

This 'friendship' is very one sided.

Iggi999 · 05/07/2015 10:11

No it just isn't like hating black people. The friend doesn't hate the OP's dcs. She finds it painful to talk about them as she wants her own and thinks that isn't going to happen. My dm recently visited - did I talk about that to my other friend who was facing a difficult anniversary of her own dm's death? I found other things to talk about.
I haven't had ivf but have lost babies and during that time coming face to face with a newborn would make me breakdown, an emotional reaction I could not control. So I would avoid. Now no one but a close friend would know this as I kept my feelings to myself.

Iggi999 · 05/07/2015 10:13

Suckmyswallop you obviously have major issues about this given your vitriol toward a person you have never met (and who isn't even posting, so we don't know what she's thinking herself). In general such nasty language toward another woman is uncalled for, perhaps you should start your own thread to sort out your feelings.

SuckMySquallop · 05/07/2015 10:14

LOL @ iggi999

Whatever you say. I like how you made that post about me and not the pseudo-friend. Well done.

SallyStarbuck · 05/07/2015 10:15

She's not a bitch, nor is she a pseudo-friend. She has been an incredible friend to me over the years and has been there for me when I needed her. Right now I don't really 'need' her - life is good, I am fortunate to have no problems at the moment. Whereas she is just realising and trying to come to terms with the fact that something she desperately wanted may never happen for her.

I understand what people are saying about the martyrdom of the situation. But I don't see that that applies right now, when she is in the middle of it all. Hasn't she got a right to be selfish at this very moment in time?

If I was asking this question a few years down the line and she was still avoiding children then that would be a different ball game. But not right now. And what kind of a friend would any of us be if we just brushed her off now because she didn't show slavish interest in the one thing that is incredibly painful to her?

I just wanted some advice how to support her during her difficult time.

OP posts:
Iggi999 · 05/07/2015 10:17

It is all about you Squallop, as you know sfa about the Op's friend.

Iggi999 · 05/07/2015 10:18

OP I really think if you can be in it for the long haul then all will come good. I'd love to think of someone being so thoughtful towards me, though at the time you just wish there was no reason for anyone to feel sorry for you!

SuckMySquallop · 05/07/2015 10:20

So what if shes in the "middle of it all".

Is your life and your DCs any less important to you?

Seriously, you need to focus on yourself and your family - your pseudo-friend comes second, especially when you say yourself you "dont need her".

That in itself speaks volumes. You can support this self centred beast anyway you deem appropriate, but based on your musings and that you dont "need" her, I struggle to see why your caring for her is not being matched by her caring for you - as a friend.

How would she react if you told them that one of your kids was unwell or hurt and you wanted to talk to her about it? Would she brush you off because she cant deal with hearing about your DCs?

Sorry but we all have shit to deal with - her "shit" isnt any more special than yours. You are blinded by your one-way friendship and she remains a user and a pseudo-friend.

SuckMySquallop · 05/07/2015 10:21

Iggi, you also know SFA about OP's "friend" too....pot, meet kettle...

patienceisvirtuous · 05/07/2015 10:21

Suck DFOD.

What OP's friend is going through is utterly soul-destroying. Utterly. I know. But I plug on, in deep emotional pain, working hard at maintaining my friendships. It's not for the faint-hearted.

OP, just let your friend take the lead while she is in the middle of this bloody awful time. If you're finding it too difficult, or she isn't nice to you then back off and leave her to it. Maybe you will be able to pick back up later, maybe not.

Unless you look a childless future in the eye, don't underestimate the hideousness of it. I am of the fake it til you make it school of thought, and my friendships are still good. This comes at a big emotional cost to me though.

Good luck with ttc OP. I hope your friendship does recover.

SuckMySquallop · 05/07/2015 10:24

patienceisvirtuous - you want me to fuck off because I dare to voice an opinion that doesnt match yours?

Perhaps you'd do well to adhere to your own advice and f-off yourself Smile

patienceisvirtuous · 05/07/2015 10:27

Not because your opinion doesn't match mine, but because you are a nasty, goading, piece of work.

SallyStarbuck · 05/07/2015 10:27

I didn't ask if she still sounded like a good friend though, did I? She has been for many years. Now it's her turn to need support.

OP posts:
SuckMySquallop · 05/07/2015 10:28

Thanks for that patienceisvirtuous, thank you. Smile

Offred · 05/07/2015 10:29

Having fertility problems is awful and traumatic yes, but it is not the. Only. Trauma. In. The. World. And it isn't a reason to treat people who have happy lives badly.

SuckMySquallop · 05/07/2015 10:30

Well said Offred - but some may tell you to "f-off" for voicing such honesty! Wink

patienceisvirtuous · 05/07/2015 10:30

I think everyone agrees with that Offred.

cansu · 05/07/2015 10:32

Why all the unpleasant comments? Very strange. I think you are right to be thoughtful, but don't think you can not mention your dd OP, that would be silly and would make your friendship v artificial.

Didiusfalco · 05/07/2015 10:33

OP, there are some crazy responses on here. You sound like a good person, Im not sure you actually need any advice. Trust your own instincts, from what you have written I dont think they will lead you wrong.

Offred · 05/07/2015 10:34

I think that's what I'd like the op to take from this really TBH. It's not her fault that her friend has fertility problems. If she is choosing to deal with that by having numerous rounds of IVF, as I chose to keep the baby after I was raped, it is not something other people should be punished for. Whilst the strength of feeling may be understandable it may stretch the friendship beyond breaking point.

It is good to keep in mind the two way street of friendship and how far it is reasonable to be expected to go for a friendship - being a different person (I.e. Lying about your family life) is too far IMO.

lljkk · 05/07/2015 10:41

IVF is a hormonal rollercoaster, it makes people a bit out of their minds (says my cousin who had it twice with no success).

That said, I think OP is being a saint to have tried so hard. This is my fave advice on this thread "There is nothing you can do, so just be a friend and if she cuts you out accept that it isn't personal.".

Andcake · 05/07/2015 10:42

In the days before I suffered infertility myself I was doing a project looking at illnesses and mental states. Their is only one medical condition which leads to a worse mental state than infertility and that is cancer.

I have had some really horrible things happen in my life but nothing compares to the 3 years I spent trying to conceive and a diagnosis of low ovarian reserve which gave me a 1% chance. I have set in a recurrent mc clinic and got a text from a friend announcing the arrival of her 2nd dd.

I had success but even still the lack of a 2nd child can have me in tears and I have to force myself to socialise with other mums pregnant with their 2 nd for my dc sake.

You sound like an empathetic friend tread gently listen be there.

Tbh I can't think of anything worse that could happen in life other than infertility only the loss of a child or cancer.