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AIBU to think my sister is an utter bitch??? [[names edited by MNHQ]]

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zoelikesjam · 25/05/2015 21:02

Right, so this time last year, well in march,I was invited to go to Australia for my sisters engagement party. Turned out it was a big surprise and they actually got married on that day. I have two other sisters, and S (the bitch from hell) had N and B(two other sisters) as bridesmaids. She totally left me out of the wedding and I was devastated. Anyway, I never said anything as I didn't want t spoil her special day an just left it at that. When I got home, after a month it was my little sister's birthday and they all went out for a meal. S posted something on facebook and because i was ill at the time I took it nastily. She posted about how nice it had been to go out with the whole family etc etc and I took it to heart and pulled her up about it. We got into a little bit of an argument and everything about the wedding came pouring out, about how left out i felt etc etc. S turned round to me and said I had been lucky to get invited as she wasn't even going to invite me so I should have been grateful. I lost my shit, told her she was a selfish cow and blocked her on everything. We've not spoke for over a year.

The this weekend she sent my OH a message saying she was coming over to England and could he arrange for her to spend some time with my three little ones. I wasn't happy about it, but didn't want to upset the children so said to P it was okay. P sent her a message saying, basically, "Z's happy for you to see the children, but I think you should both apologise to one another and kiss and make up"
S then sent P a really snotty message saying that I didn't deserve an apology, she did. And how she had never really liked me or got on with me.

I lost my shit big time, and sent her a message saying we were busy that day 'and besides, did she really think someone who she'd never gotten on with should let her spend time with children who are so much like their mother?'
I know I probably shouldn't have said that, but do you think it deserved this response??? This is what I got back

"Wow! You really are a very low person. I hope you can deal with yourself. One day if you don't poison your children i WILL make contact with them and tell them what you have done and the type of mother you are. I hope for their sakes the NEVER EVER turn out to be just like their mother...I am totally shocked you think this is the right way to behave by punishing your children...I will be telling everyone you have done this and I am sure they will realise you have reached a new low. You should think about that. Oh and just one more thing, just so you know how ridiculous you are, you lost your children and as a result they live with people you don't get along with"

Two years ago I got really sick and my three little ones had to go live with their father, and the youngest went to her Nana's. Last October J&L came back to live with me, as it was made very obvious they were not being looked after properly. Their step-mum had gone back to full time work, and it seemed like Dad couldn't cope, so they came home as I was getting much better health wise and it was apparent they couldn't stay with dad. My youngest has stayed with her Nanny and her father(Who I get on with wonderfully) as she is well loved, well looked after and very settled.

Having spoken to my mother and step-father, they are both in agreement with me that what she has said is vile and I am well within my rights to never let her see the children again. My mum is a little devastated though, she agrees what S has said is some terrible things but, whilst I have to do what I think is right, maybe I should be the bigger person and let her see the children.

So I called mum at 4am(They live in Australia), talked the whole thing through with her and step-dad, and they are very much on my side(Thank god) as the stupid stupid girl forwarded the messages to all of my family(sisters, mum, etc etc) and instead of making me out to be unreasonable she included what she replied to me and all my family is disgusted with her.
I sat down and had a long hard think about it all this morning, and decided I would be the bigger person, so I wrote out this email.

"Despite your vindictive, spiteful, bullying nature, I will prove to you I am not a bad mother. You need to get your facts straight before you start spouting off bile and nasty vile words. I am far from a bad mother. I have brought my children up with respect and manners. An as for my children living with people who I don't get along with, once again you need to get your facts straight. J and L(My two eldest) live with me, and have done for quite for time now. And the only reason A doesn't is because, once again I am a bloody good mother and do not wish to disturb her as she is happy and healthy where she is living. And fyi J(My ex husband) and I get along wonderfully.

J and L ARE busy that weekend, they will be visiting their father, however I was willing to reorganise that so you could spend some time with them. Now, despite your vindictive nature I am still willing to let you spend a little time with them. However you now have a slight problem. When you sent me those sickeningly horrible messages the children were with me when I received them. They are now perfectly aware how much you have hurt and destroyed me. J categorically does not want to see you, and L is undecided. That is your doing, not mine I am afraid. Despite your nasty nature I am still willing to set something up so you can see A and to show I am not the evil bitch you are making me our to be, I will be happy to talk to j and l and try and convince them to spend some time with you.

I will be a grown up, unlike you, and make a profuse apology for the email I sent you last year, however I don't take back what I said. You have hurt me over and over, but I can't say I am surprised, it is after all in your nature.

I don't wish for a response to this message, as it would probably make me change my mind again, and I will feel compelled to stop you seeing the children who are so much like me. That was the main message I was trying to get across, that if you don't like me or get on with me, why would you want to spend time with children who are just like me completely?

As for me not apologising, One, I did send you a Christmas present to sort of break the ice, but on not hearing from you I left it at that. And two, I wasn't going to say sorry for you hurting my feelings, why should I? However, I will be the bigger person and apologise for my attitude and the way I spoke to you.

Anyway, as I said. Don't hold your breath that J and Lwill want to spend any time with you, but I can sort out some time with A."

What do you think? Was that the grown up thing to do? My mum thinks it was, and apparently I wasn't too harsh on her, just told her a few home truths. So with Mum's blessing I've sent that email to her.

Sorry that was so long winded I just needed to get it off my chest and needed a little support. This has just been such a massive set back its unbelievable, This whole saga has devastated me and I never thought she could act in such a spiteful horrible manner. I am, and have utterly broken my heart over this, and it has sucked me further in to the black hole I was just starting to drag myself out of.

OP posts:
zoelikesjam · 25/05/2015 21:45

Happy to continue MN,

An please on't bash me, I don't need that sort of negativity right now. So saying things like 'we deserve eachother' Is rather nasty

OP posts:
AGirlCalledBoB · 25/05/2015 21:46

To be fair, you family situation reads like one from Shameless.

Does it matter, your sister does not like you, you do not like her. Just go no contact, it's not as if she lives on your doorstep.

AllThatGlistens · 25/05/2015 21:46

Ahhh. The OPs second post explains a bit more, and she is unwell, so go easy people.

MrsBigginsPieShop · 25/05/2015 21:47

But after spending 10 minutes wading through the OP, I think posters are entitled to their opinion I'm afraid, whether it's pleasant to read or not....

usualsuspect333 · 25/05/2015 21:48

OP, it must be hurtful to you for your sister to send such horrible emails and for you to feel so left out.

Maybe just step back from it all for a while and look after yourself.

sleeponeday · 25/05/2015 21:48

OP, I would ask MN to delete the names and give non-identifying acronyms for your sisters and kids, and get this moved to Relationships, where it will be read by people who aren't as nasty and vindictive as your sister. Unfortunately some people see AIBU as a venue to vent their own dissatisfaction with life, their own sense of personal inadequacy, and the sense that anonymity allows them to say things they'd be terrified of ever having their name attached to. They are not worth a drop of your piss, and nor is your sister.

I have one strong opinion on this: don't allow your kids to spend time with her! If she's this nasty, why on earth expose defenceless children? Just cut her off, lose her from your life. Genes don't entitle people to abuse you, emotionally or physically. Life is too precious and too short to waste the distress she causes on her, and you'll be happier once you remove her. And she has clearly stated she intends to badmouth you to your kids, which is emotionally abusive towards them, with a background this venomous. No child needs to be dragged into the middle of an adult conflict, and she's just some random aunt from the other side of the world, not a parent. If she were your mother-in-law, the chorus telling you to block her from your and their lives, and tell your husband to man up in supporting you in doing so, would be immense. Why is an aunt somehow exempt?

And to those people thinking being petty, malicious and hostile to someone in distress is clever: are your lives really that miserable, that the only means of boosting your own ego is to kick someone who is down? Why on earth would you actively set out to hurt someone who has done nothing wrong? What the fuck is wrong with you? I mean that literally: what the hell has happened in your lives to make you so utterly nasty as a means of entertainment?

TwinkieTwinkle · 25/05/2015 21:50

Perhaps AIBU isn't the best place to have posted if you want people to be gentle and not so blunt. FWIW I really hope you can solve any problems you have with your family or at least find some way to work around them.

usualsuspect333 · 25/05/2015 21:50

Some nasty fuckers on this thread.

LeoandBoosmum · 25/05/2015 21:50

Yep, too long but the gist for me is that you are both pretty childish in how you approach grievances with each other's behaviour.
Also, did your children really need to see your email from S?

sleeponeday · 25/05/2015 21:50

Just read the MN updates. Glad that's sorted, and honestly OP, ask to get this moved to Relationships.

So sorry you are dealing with so much. Your sister has no right to behave this way to you.

SouthWestmom · 25/05/2015 21:51

Op, don't engage with your sister anymore. Live your life and be content you have your kids back with you (is it three or four, not clear from op) and one is happily looked after with family.
We don't have to love or like out family, despite what society might suggest in its advertising and entertainment.
My sister stopped speaking to me, can't stand me, is wrong naturally Wink and wants to see my children when she comes over this year. Not happening. Why would I let someone who despises me drip poison near them? Yes, we could meet if she would be civil but if she can't bring herself to be in the same room she doesn't get to play normal and nice round my kids.
Let your DP look out for you. Your mum sounds nice.

BoneyBackJefferson · 25/05/2015 21:51

Zoe

I am still going with "life is too short".

  • your health comes first.
sleeponeday · 25/05/2015 21:52

Some nasty fuckers on this thread.

God, aren't there? I couldn't look at myself in the mirror if I ever said half of that to someone. What sort of person is capable of doing that? Just cannot comprehend the mindset - is the least little smidgeon of kindness really so very hard?

zoelikesjam · 25/05/2015 21:54

I didn't let the children read the messages. It was more the fact I broke down crying and was in a real state when i got the message, and the children were in the room with me. They wanted to know what had upset me so much, and as age appropriate as i could, once i calmed down i explained.

MN, any chance you could transfer this to relationships?

Thank you so much for the support x

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Sandbrook · 25/05/2015 21:55

Some pretty cruel replies on here. I don't understand the need for nastiness.

Op, in your position I would go nc & not let her see your kids. She more than likely will badmouth you to your kids so no good will come of it. She sounds like she cant/won't hold her tongue so in this regard I would not allow access.
Your job is to keep your kids happy and safe, this situation might counter that

roundtable · 25/05/2015 21:57

Yes there really is some arseholes on this thread. Lucky op.

Good luck op, I hope you can get some sort of resolution. It sounds upsetting. Talking to someone who is outside of the situation may help and take care of yourself.

Fluffcake · 25/05/2015 22:03

Op I would go NC with your sister and definitely not let your dcs spend time with her. The fact that she contacted your do (who I gather from your post is not their Df) to arrange to see your dcs speaks volumes to me. If she calls, emails etc do not respond as it will only had fuel to the fire.

AntiHop · 25/05/2015 22:03

I'm sorry you're having a tough time with all of this. I'm glad to hear you're close to your mum. I think you need to step away from all of this whilst you're unwell, and concentrate on the relationships with family members who are supportive.

AuntyMag10 · 25/05/2015 22:08

What made your sister suddenly turn on you out of the blue?

wowfudge · 25/05/2015 22:10

I wonder if your sister just doesn't understand your illness and feels embarrassed by it in some way? That says more about her than you and it's not good. However please don't let her upset you like this and don't read her emails - at least for a while.

The response you sent is the kind of thing it can be cathartic to type, to get things off your chest, but that probably shouldn't be sent unless you want to perpetuate the argument. You had the moral high ground
when she forwarded her nasty email to everyone.

I think the consequence that she only sees one of your dcs is fair enough and if you wanted to not let her see any of them I think it would be understandable.

Let the heat go out of the situation now. If she replies and you choose to read the response then at least sleep on it before you respond, if indeed you do. Flowers

TheNameIWantedIsTaken · 25/05/2015 22:21

The way I see it you could either allow her a shirt visit with your kids I'm your presence - out for ice cream for an afternoon that sort of thing, or just cut her out of your life. Whichever makes you happiest

TheNameIWantedIsTaken · 25/05/2015 22:22

crikey, typos everywhere... *short visit in your presence

DampAndRotten · 25/05/2015 22:30

I'm sorry for so. E of the mean responses you are getting.

Which country do you live in? And which countries are you family members in? It is unclear from your post but I think it might be quite relevant.

DampAndRotten · 25/05/2015 22:32

So. E = "mean"

Bloody phone.

sadpanda · 25/05/2015 22:37

If I were you the only message I'd send her would be something along the lines of 'I would like my children to have a relationship with their aunt and as soon as you start treating me respectfully I will happily facilitate that'. Then don't response to any further contact unless it's civil.

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