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AIBU to think my sister is an utter bitch??? [[names edited by MNHQ]]

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zoelikesjam · 25/05/2015 21:02

Right, so this time last year, well in march,I was invited to go to Australia for my sisters engagement party. Turned out it was a big surprise and they actually got married on that day. I have two other sisters, and S (the bitch from hell) had N and B(two other sisters) as bridesmaids. She totally left me out of the wedding and I was devastated. Anyway, I never said anything as I didn't want t spoil her special day an just left it at that. When I got home, after a month it was my little sister's birthday and they all went out for a meal. S posted something on facebook and because i was ill at the time I took it nastily. She posted about how nice it had been to go out with the whole family etc etc and I took it to heart and pulled her up about it. We got into a little bit of an argument and everything about the wedding came pouring out, about how left out i felt etc etc. S turned round to me and said I had been lucky to get invited as she wasn't even going to invite me so I should have been grateful. I lost my shit, told her she was a selfish cow and blocked her on everything. We've not spoke for over a year.

The this weekend she sent my OH a message saying she was coming over to England and could he arrange for her to spend some time with my three little ones. I wasn't happy about it, but didn't want to upset the children so said to P it was okay. P sent her a message saying, basically, "Z's happy for you to see the children, but I think you should both apologise to one another and kiss and make up"
S then sent P a really snotty message saying that I didn't deserve an apology, she did. And how she had never really liked me or got on with me.

I lost my shit big time, and sent her a message saying we were busy that day 'and besides, did she really think someone who she'd never gotten on with should let her spend time with children who are so much like their mother?'
I know I probably shouldn't have said that, but do you think it deserved this response??? This is what I got back

"Wow! You really are a very low person. I hope you can deal with yourself. One day if you don't poison your children i WILL make contact with them and tell them what you have done and the type of mother you are. I hope for their sakes the NEVER EVER turn out to be just like their mother...I am totally shocked you think this is the right way to behave by punishing your children...I will be telling everyone you have done this and I am sure they will realise you have reached a new low. You should think about that. Oh and just one more thing, just so you know how ridiculous you are, you lost your children and as a result they live with people you don't get along with"

Two years ago I got really sick and my three little ones had to go live with their father, and the youngest went to her Nana's. Last October J&L came back to live with me, as it was made very obvious they were not being looked after properly. Their step-mum had gone back to full time work, and it seemed like Dad couldn't cope, so they came home as I was getting much better health wise and it was apparent they couldn't stay with dad. My youngest has stayed with her Nanny and her father(Who I get on with wonderfully) as she is well loved, well looked after and very settled.

Having spoken to my mother and step-father, they are both in agreement with me that what she has said is vile and I am well within my rights to never let her see the children again. My mum is a little devastated though, she agrees what S has said is some terrible things but, whilst I have to do what I think is right, maybe I should be the bigger person and let her see the children.

So I called mum at 4am(They live in Australia), talked the whole thing through with her and step-dad, and they are very much on my side(Thank god) as the stupid stupid girl forwarded the messages to all of my family(sisters, mum, etc etc) and instead of making me out to be unreasonable she included what she replied to me and all my family is disgusted with her.
I sat down and had a long hard think about it all this morning, and decided I would be the bigger person, so I wrote out this email.

"Despite your vindictive, spiteful, bullying nature, I will prove to you I am not a bad mother. You need to get your facts straight before you start spouting off bile and nasty vile words. I am far from a bad mother. I have brought my children up with respect and manners. An as for my children living with people who I don't get along with, once again you need to get your facts straight. J and L(My two eldest) live with me, and have done for quite for time now. And the only reason A doesn't is because, once again I am a bloody good mother and do not wish to disturb her as she is happy and healthy where she is living. And fyi J(My ex husband) and I get along wonderfully.

J and L ARE busy that weekend, they will be visiting their father, however I was willing to reorganise that so you could spend some time with them. Now, despite your vindictive nature I am still willing to let you spend a little time with them. However you now have a slight problem. When you sent me those sickeningly horrible messages the children were with me when I received them. They are now perfectly aware how much you have hurt and destroyed me. J categorically does not want to see you, and L is undecided. That is your doing, not mine I am afraid. Despite your nasty nature I am still willing to set something up so you can see A and to show I am not the evil bitch you are making me our to be, I will be happy to talk to j and l and try and convince them to spend some time with you.

I will be a grown up, unlike you, and make a profuse apology for the email I sent you last year, however I don't take back what I said. You have hurt me over and over, but I can't say I am surprised, it is after all in your nature.

I don't wish for a response to this message, as it would probably make me change my mind again, and I will feel compelled to stop you seeing the children who are so much like me. That was the main message I was trying to get across, that if you don't like me or get on with me, why would you want to spend time with children who are just like me completely?

As for me not apologising, One, I did send you a Christmas present to sort of break the ice, but on not hearing from you I left it at that. And two, I wasn't going to say sorry for you hurting my feelings, why should I? However, I will be the bigger person and apologise for my attitude and the way I spoke to you.

Anyway, as I said. Don't hold your breath that J and Lwill want to spend any time with you, but I can sort out some time with A."

What do you think? Was that the grown up thing to do? My mum thinks it was, and apparently I wasn't too harsh on her, just told her a few home truths. So with Mum's blessing I've sent that email to her.

Sorry that was so long winded I just needed to get it off my chest and needed a little support. This has just been such a massive set back its unbelievable, This whole saga has devastated me and I never thought she could act in such a spiteful horrible manner. I am, and have utterly broken my heart over this, and it has sucked me further in to the black hole I was just starting to drag myself out of.

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BoneyBackJefferson · 25/05/2015 21:29

Just don't bother, from what is posted you both clearly hate each other. Frankly life is to short.

Altinkum · 25/05/2015 21:29

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TwinkieTwinkle · 25/05/2015 21:30

I highly doubt your children so happened to be there when you got a message from her. Sounds like you are both as spiteful and nasty as each other. I would suggest you stop using the kids as a weapon and grow up a bit.

Nevercallmehun · 25/05/2015 21:31

Just go NC. Life's too short to bother with people you clearly dislike, family or not. My best friend hasn't spoken to her sister for 20 years or so. It works for her.

HereNotThere · 25/05/2015 21:32

Wow, impressive editing MNHQ. Smile

Shodan · 25/05/2015 21:33

I agree with those who have said you might want to get this deleted, if you have used real names.

Wrt the situation- no, I don't think you have any reason to let your sister see your children. Your email to her was fine, I think, in the context in which it was written.

You are not under any obligation to have anyone in your life who makes you feel bad, relation or not.

AGirlCalledBoB · 25/05/2015 21:34

It all sounds a bit Jeremy Kyle and unbelievable. You both sound as immature as each other.

Zucker · 25/05/2015 21:35

Did anyone stop to consider what R thought about it all?? I bet not Sad

Flowers and Wine for Y & T.

gamerchick · 25/05/2015 21:35

That is impressive editing Grin

PerpendicularVincenzo · 25/05/2015 21:36

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DayToDayShit · 25/05/2015 21:37

wow, impressed at the editing of the names.

arethereanyleftatall · 25/05/2015 21:37

I did quite well, and got a good half of the way through.

I'm thinking the other point of view in this debacle will offer a very different side of the story.,

YetAnotherHelenMumsnet · 25/05/2015 21:39

Hi all,
we have removed the names from the posts (we think we got all of them!)

arethereanyleftatall · 25/05/2015 21:39

Do you think mnhq actually read it all or just did a 'find and replace' on the names?

IgnoreMeEveryOtherReindeerDoes · 25/05/2015 21:39

I would ignore the sister no reply further and wouldn't think about letting my kids see anyone who threaten or did bad mouth me as their parent, its head fucking to do that to kids.

MrsBigginsPieShop · 25/05/2015 21:41

Either put up and shut up or go NC. Sooo much drama that bores anyone else not immediately involved. None of you come out of that essay very well.

YetAnotherHelenMumsnet · 25/05/2015 21:41

WE READ EVERY WORD.
Anyway, the OP is going to start again so this thread will be going shortly.

Charlie97 · 25/05/2015 21:41

Wow

DoJo · 25/05/2015 21:41

It sounds like you and your sister are too different to enjoy each other's company or to even be civil to one another. I would guess that you have both behaved badly, and although you think that she 'started it', I'm sure she feels as though you have slighted her too in the past. I would suggest that you accept that you are never going to get along and just leave each other be. That way, in time, you might be able to be polite enough to each other to get through family gatherings but not get to each other so much that you continue this intercontinental warfare that is clearly making you both unhappy.

WRT your children, I would explain the situation to them in an age-appropriate way - that you and your sister are very different people, have very different ideas about life and don't really get along. Tell them that this sometimes happens in families, and it's not necessarily anyone's fault, but that you don't want to see each other because you don't want to argue. If they are old enough to have an independent relationship with her, then facilitate it if they REALLY want to, but make it clear that they do not have to put up with or even listen to anything about you or your relationships with anyone else if it makes them feel sad or even uncomfortable.

zoelikesjam · 25/05/2015 21:41

Thanks for the edit MN. And as for needing to grow up, this is only half the story. My sister and I have gotten on wonderfully until her wedding. Yes I felt left out when they all emigrated, however I have my family and partner over here.

I did not wake my mum up at 4am...I was up worrying at 4am. It would have been about 3pm in Australia. I am very close to my parents, which Is why i sent that message back with my mothers total blessing, in fact she helped me write it.
The children were in the room when I received the messages and I broke down. They wanted to know what the hell was going on, and I had to explain it to them. I do not lie to my children.

I have recently been diagnosed with bi-polar and am very poorly at the moment, but was managing to keep it all together, until I received the message from S.
The problem is I WANT her to see the children, they are after all her nieces and nephew.

I thought what I wrote back was rather calm considering.

OP posts:
LotusLight · 25/05/2015 21:41

Sounds like the whole family deserves each other here.

StupidBloodyKindle · 25/05/2015 21:42

Facebook is the root of all evil

DoJo · 25/05/2015 21:43

MNHQ - could the posts from those of us who put time into reading, understanding and replying be carried over please?

YetAnotherHelenMumsnet · 25/05/2015 21:44

Hi there, sorry, we might have cross posted there. Would you like us to delete or are you happy to continue with this thread now that the names are less clear? We're happy to help.

AGirlCalledBoB · 25/05/2015 21:45

i would report all your previous threads as well because you post way too much information. All your kids names, and family members are on previous posts by you.

I really would try not to overshare.