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DH has left again

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AndHarry · 17/05/2015 08:34

Third time in as many years. He sat me down last night and said he was unhappy and thought we should separate. I asked him what he was unhappy about and what I needed to change. It was difficult to pin him down to anything but then it came out: he wants me to do things for him like sew buttons back onto his shirts and fix his trousers when there's a hole in the pocket or the hem has dropped. That's it. He wants to put me through all this again because of a few buttons. It's so incredibly pathetic I would laugh if I wasn't crying.

What it actually boils down to is that he wants to feel respected as the manly head of the household, even if he hasn't put it like that. As I told him last night, it's difficult to respect him when I feel like his mother: organising everything, picking up after him, reminding him of essential things that need doing for the kids, coming into the kitchen many days to find it full of dirty crockery from the day(s) before (I cook, he washes up), struggle to tidy up because the bins are overflowing (his job) and have to cajole him into coming out with the kids instead of sticking on a DVD and lying on the sofa all weekend. I have tried and tried in as many ways as I could think of to make things easy for him and do things for him but get ground down by the sheer laziness of his response. The more I do, the less he bothers.

I said I would do everything around the house if that would stop the arguments and resentment, just to be stonewalled with 'it won't work'. I asked him to try doing the household chores he had agreed to do, consistently, and got 'it won't work'.

I pointed out that I had supported him in going to the gym every morning before work and going out with his friends several nights a week so that he gets his own time. Apparently 'it's not that'.

I said how hurt I was that he had complained about what I cooked so I only made the things he said he wanted but he still orders pizza for himself. How hurt I am that when I did as he asked and made his lunches he didn't eat them, preferring to get fast food instead. 'Shrug'.

The fact is that he has a pretty cushy life but, as he repeatedly points out, he is the 'breadwinner' while I only work because I want to, so anything wrong around the house is immediately my fault for not being wifely enough.

I ended up screaming into my pillow with sheer frustration. He didn't come to bed and this morning he wasn't in the house and his car has gone.

Another fall to the tax office to sort out tax credits tomorrow. Another time trying to keep myself together for the kids, dealing with their anxieties over their dad being gone, pretending that he's in meetings or at the gym every evening. Dealing with my parents' disappointment again.

I'm sorry this is an essay. I don't want anything, just needed to get it out.

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petalsandstars · 16/08/2015 20:09

If there's £2k in the joint account now I'd be taking it to pay back your DM.

AndHarry · 18/08/2015 22:35

I was right about the watch. A Breitling no less. I hope it makes him very happy Hmm

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AndHarry · 27/08/2015 23:44

Back again...

H has now decided that he can't look after the DC on the one day I hadn't booked annual leave to cover for the whole year. I've covered every training day, illness, day, odd day of holiday, for 5+ years and the one day he is asked to do, agreed before the end of last year, he backs out on Angry Now I'm going to have to go begging to my new manager to either work at home or take my last day of annual leave, which would mean that I don't have any left to see DS' Christmas play :( I'm so angry and upset.

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AndHarry · 28/08/2015 15:00

He also brought the kids over this morning without giving them breakfast or telling me so I could get them some. Just, why?!

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Fontella · 28/08/2015 15:16

Why? Because he's a fucking wanker, that's why.

Read your own threads! On a Mumsnet hit parade of shite husbands he'd make the 20, no question.

Don't waste your time questioning and asking why - you know what he is and what he's like - stop letting the fucker get to you. He's going to be a source of upset and anger general angst for as long as you let him.

AndHarry · 28/08/2015 15:22

How do I stop letting him get to me? That's a genuine question. I know what he's like, I know he's a selfish, irresponsible manchild, but when he starts getting sarky with me when he's the one who has done something unacceptable - cheating, hiding debt, failing to care for the DC - my blood boils.

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Rarity08 · 28/08/2015 15:36

Detach from him. As pp have said, he's a wanker.

mrspremise · 28/08/2015 16:03

I've just RTFT and I think AndHarry should write a book "How to get divorced". My new hero Smile

BreakWindandFire · 28/08/2015 16:59

Don't work from home or take annual leave. Have a babysitting agency send someone to your to your home for the day. There are lots of national ones like Sitters who do one-off cover. Or see if a local nursery can offer an emergency cover day.

Yep, it will cost money, but it allows you to carry on, when your ex is trying to sabotage you. And it's less disruptive than taking leave

BrendaandEddie · 28/08/2015 17:10

i love the Mexican house thief

Fontella · 28/08/2015 18:11

I had (have) a niece (I don't see her any more these days). A very unreliable irresponsible niece.

As a single mum I'd use her for babysitting and every time something would go wrong - she'd be late, not turn up, change her plans, do something stupid.

But still I'd use her in the vain hope it would be ok next time, and then she went and let me down so badly I missed a very, very important exam.

I was weeping and wailing to my brother expecting him to be all sympathetic and he just cut me short. He just lost his temper with me and shouted 'you know what she's fucking like, what do you expect?!'

I had no answer ... because he was right.

It's the same with your wanker ex. You know who he is and what he's like and yet you still keep setting yourself up for him to let you down.

If you don't have any expectations of the tosser then you won't be disappointed. Create a life for you and your kids independent of him. Don't rely on him, don't plan with him in mind, don't expect any kind of normal responsible behaviour from him because he's all but incapable of it, and in doing so, you will negate his ability to wind you up.

So he didn't give the kids breakfast? No surprises there. So he spent three grand on a watch for himself? No surprises there. So he's let you down with looking after the kids? No surprises there.

The problem is you are still factoring him into your life, and you need to start factoring him out. His sperm helped create your kids yes, but he's proved himself to be shite husband, a shite father, and a shite person. One who simply isn't worth your anger and angst for a single second longer.

AndHarry · 29/08/2015 09:32

A book? Step 1) hire random poncy solicitor. Step 2) lose your temper and tell STBeXH to F off. Step 3) eat cake... Yup, I'm a pro :o

I've managed to swap my bank holiday around so I'll be at work on Monday but have the day off on Wednesday. I've also emailed H with a list of days to be covered up until the end of 2016, a suggestion of which dates we will each cover and a request for him to let me know when he would like the DC for a week over the next summer holidays. Based on recent experience I'll book time off for those dates anyway so I've covered all bases, then hope for the best.

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ThighsofThunder · 29/08/2015 10:34

AndHarry I have namechanged since, but you were ever so kind to me offering me some reusable nappies when I was pregnant, I think you're pretty great!

I have an ex who sounds in many ways like yours, although we are further down the road, just coming up 7 years since we split. It took me a very long time to stop being affected by his behaviour, it sent me into a downward spiral every time. I realised I was trying to change him, trying to make him care, make him want to see his children. After a particularly horrid handover I had an epiphany of sorts - This doesn't change anything It sounds silly but it really helped. So yes he'd had a big old tantrum which left me really stressed, but it doesn't matter. I know I didn't do anything wrong, and I can't change his behaviour, just my reaction to it. And next time I see him it will be something different. I expect it, and it just doesn't bother me anymore. Unless it affects the children I couldn't care less. We are still divorced, I am still very happy in my new life.

AndHarry · 31/08/2015 14:42

I'd completely forgotten that! I hope you found some you liked.

A downward spiral exactly describes how I feel after an encounter with H. A text, call or face-to-face contact with him either leaves me feeling angry or like I want to curl up in a ball in the corner. I just want to have civil, necessary contact and be able to walk away from it feeling indifferent.

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AndHarry · 04/09/2015 20:12

Well, I think I'm getting better at not letting him bother me. We had a call earlier to discuss his new job and he proposed shifting the childcare arrangements so that he has the DC one evening a week (feeds them and puts them to bed at my house Hmm) and one weekend day. When I said that that wouldn't work for me as I would like to be able to spend fun time with the DC at the weekend, or go away etc., he then proposed him having them every weekend Hmm The conversation ended with his words, "so you can get that idea out of your head", at which point I decided that he was an idiot and I wasn't going to waste my time continuing the call. Up until now, calls like that have left me fuming. Now I just feel faintly bemused by his bright ideas and disgusted at the way he spoke to me.

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tribpot · 04/09/2015 20:20

Definitely good that you feel detached amusement for his stupid shenanigans, but why on earth were you on the phone discussing his new job? You're not friends.

Why would he be doing childcare at your house? I'd suggest every other weekend plus, say, two nights a week, all at his house. He won't be able to keep up with any amount of contact in the week as it will cut into his work. And you shouldn't have to go without them every weekend.

AndHarry · 04/09/2015 20:34

It was a short discussion so that I knew what had happened to the business that we had jointly owned.

The current pattern is every other weekend, with two nights at his house on the same week. He's trying to make me change it because 'otherwise why did we say we'd discuss it in 6 months, if you weren't willing to change anything?" I've pointed out that I've made decisions based on what has been agreed - my working pattern in particular - but he has jumped into a new job and just assumed that I would accommodate it. He doesn't see it that way and is never likely to I suppose.

Doing the childcare at my hosue would mean that he wouldn't have to do the school run in the morning. It would also mean me doing every school run and every night-waking, which of course is totally fair Hmm

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tribpot · 04/09/2015 21:29

So he's trying to force a change just to demonstrate that the timetable is flexible, even though (a) six months hasn't gone by and (b) he is demanding a change around his new job.

Doing childcare at your house would be staggeringly unfair and confusing to your children, and presumably mean you'd have to vacate it two evenings a week. Sounds great.

AndHarry · 04/09/2015 22:38

He's trying it because he hasn't actually considered that he shouldn't do exactly as he pleases. He's still wanting to act the big provider role and made it very clear that he disapproves of me working full-time and even more of me doing so without his permission. Tough bananas.

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tribpot · 05/09/2015 07:33

The big provider with absolutely no financial sense, as I hope you will remind him when he gets too full of himself. So not actually capable of providing at all.

I don't think you can rely on him at all to cover specific dates during the working week (thinking back to your earlier post at the end of August) - I would start planning how you're going to cover those yourself if you have to. It may be a question of begging favours but needs must.

AndHarry · 29/09/2015 17:51

Back again. I accidentally opened a letter addressed to H this evening (we have the same initial). It was from a creditor to his company, saying that he owes them thousands, has failed to stick to the repayment plan, is uncontactable and they are seeking to force a wind-up of the business.

On the one hand, I'm no longer involved in the company and it's nothing to do with me. On the other, if I hadn't started divorce proceedings then no doubt he would be hiding this from me too. Stupid, stupid man. The ostrich behaviour is so exactly typical.

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NameChange30 · 29/09/2015 19:32

Hi OP, I hadn't seen this thread before but have just read the whole thing in completely incredulity at what an absolutely useless pile of shit arsehole your ex is. Everything is about him, nothing is his fault.

I'm also very impressed at how you've handled everything. Keep up the good work Smile

How is the divorce going?

PS I totally agree with the PP who said you should take the £2k for your mum!!!

tribpot · 29/09/2015 19:35

Do you have an address for him? I would advise this company of where he is living and ask them not to use your address any further.

AndHarry · 29/09/2015 20:18

Yes I have an address for him so that's a good idea, I'll do that. I've asked him to collect that letter and an unopened HMRC one Hmm

The divorce is going well, I think. It's with the District Judge to check that it's been proved that the marriage has broken down and then to set a date for the decree nisi.

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AndHarry · 04/10/2015 16:50

Wow, wow, wow. I've just found out that Mutual Friend is a predator who targets vulnerable married women. Today I sat with his girlfriend for 5 hours while she ditched him, helped her barricade the door and arranged an emergency locksmith to change the locks. The things she told me were appalling. She jumped every time her phone went off, my phone went off or he knocked at the door.

I'm shocked and also, selfishly, a bit shaken. It could so easily have been me.

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