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DH has left again

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AndHarry · 17/05/2015 08:34

Third time in as many years. He sat me down last night and said he was unhappy and thought we should separate. I asked him what he was unhappy about and what I needed to change. It was difficult to pin him down to anything but then it came out: he wants me to do things for him like sew buttons back onto his shirts and fix his trousers when there's a hole in the pocket or the hem has dropped. That's it. He wants to put me through all this again because of a few buttons. It's so incredibly pathetic I would laugh if I wasn't crying.

What it actually boils down to is that he wants to feel respected as the manly head of the household, even if he hasn't put it like that. As I told him last night, it's difficult to respect him when I feel like his mother: organising everything, picking up after him, reminding him of essential things that need doing for the kids, coming into the kitchen many days to find it full of dirty crockery from the day(s) before (I cook, he washes up), struggle to tidy up because the bins are overflowing (his job) and have to cajole him into coming out with the kids instead of sticking on a DVD and lying on the sofa all weekend. I have tried and tried in as many ways as I could think of to make things easy for him and do things for him but get ground down by the sheer laziness of his response. The more I do, the less he bothers.

I said I would do everything around the house if that would stop the arguments and resentment, just to be stonewalled with 'it won't work'. I asked him to try doing the household chores he had agreed to do, consistently, and got 'it won't work'.

I pointed out that I had supported him in going to the gym every morning before work and going out with his friends several nights a week so that he gets his own time. Apparently 'it's not that'.

I said how hurt I was that he had complained about what I cooked so I only made the things he said he wanted but he still orders pizza for himself. How hurt I am that when I did as he asked and made his lunches he didn't eat them, preferring to get fast food instead. 'Shrug'.

The fact is that he has a pretty cushy life but, as he repeatedly points out, he is the 'breadwinner' while I only work because I want to, so anything wrong around the house is immediately my fault for not being wifely enough.

I ended up screaming into my pillow with sheer frustration. He didn't come to bed and this morning he wasn't in the house and his car has gone.

Another fall to the tax office to sort out tax credits tomorrow. Another time trying to keep myself together for the kids, dealing with their anxieties over their dad being gone, pretending that he's in meetings or at the gym every evening. Dealing with my parents' disappointment again.

I'm sorry this is an essay. I don't want anything, just needed to get it out.

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AndHarry · 11/07/2015 09:58

Yes, but as a responsible adult, I have some say in the matter. I'm praying to heaven that I don't screw them up.

I got a letter from HMRC this morning saying that my tax credits are being stopped. I got straight on the phone to them and apparently I had two claims running because I claimed last year for the period when H wasn't here, so it was just the ending of the previous claim, not affecting the one I started this year. I don't owe them anything, thank goodness. Way to give someone heart palpitations HMRC!

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Lweji · 11/07/2015 20:21

And as a responsible adult you are protecting them.

He chose to leave and mind fuck you all. All that going and coming back wasn't good for them either.

You can't make make him stay or be a good dad.

All you can do now is support them in their sadness and be the one who is there for them.

AndHarry · 12/07/2015 19:47

H asked me to bring the kids to an activity on Friday and then called last night for a general chitchat. He's going to ask for 'a chat', isn't he? I'm thinking I say no to that one. I don't have anything more to say to him.

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KetchupIsNearlyAVegetable · 12/07/2015 19:59

Just say no. Why isn't he picking them up for the activity? Why are you running to his tune?

AndHarry · 12/07/2015 20:01

It was an activity he was helping to organise and he wanted all of us to go. To be fair, I would have liked to have gone anyway.

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Lweji · 12/07/2015 20:13

But it will be healthier for all to keep the boundaries and avoid cosy chats until it's all resolved and you all know where you stand.

He probably just sees it as an opportunity to talk you around.

AndHarry · 12/07/2015 20:21

Yes, that's what I think too. When we were having marriage counselling it was arranged through church and we had an interview with one of the local leaders, also a family friend. I said to him that there has to be a point when enough is enough, no more. I'm at that point and I don't want to listen to excuses, promises or accusations.

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Jux · 13/07/2015 18:51

I have never heard anything good about marriage counselling which is arranged yheough the church, no matter which church. They have their own agenda and it's not good for the wife. Well done on your determination to do what is right for you in the face of that as well! You really have done incredibly well. As long as you keep on being that true to yourself, you and your children will be fine.

No to cosy chats. You're so right, he'll just be trying to confound you and confuse you again, make you feel guilty and all that trash. Keep away.

AndHarry · 17/07/2015 21:01

H and I managed to have a semi-civilised conversation today about the court papers and the house. He now hopefully understands that I haven't applied for the court to make a decision on a fair financial or child residency split and that agreeing to a divorce on condition of various things will gain him nothing except a whole shower of legal fees and wasted time. From speaking to him today it sounds as though he's in very deep water financially and that he's going to pack up the business before very long. I have to keep reminding myself that if he had been honest with me I would have stepped in to rescue him and worked with him to keep the business on a profitable track, and it isn't my fault that that isn't the case. I can't help him, he won't let me.

My manager told me this week that a payrise and promotion for me have been approved but she needs to firm up the final proposal before she gives me any further details. If/when that happens I plan on taking over the mortgage payments and at least that way I'll have the double win of not feeling any guilt over H's financial situation and standing on my own two feet.

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petalsandstars · 19/07/2015 07:37

Have you seen evidence re the business? Cynical thought but devaluing it and winding it up might be a way to hide/ minimise assets. Or a way to make you feel sorry for him/ not go for your entitlement of assets

Lweji · 19/07/2015 08:52

I agree that there should be full disclosure.
He is a liar and there is no reason to believe him now.
You can ask for it in a non confrontational way suggesting that you want to make sure it's a fair process. If he refuses, then you cold assume he's lying.

AndHarry · 20/07/2015 15:07

I will get a copy of the accounts but it would surprise me very much if he wasn't telling the truth on this one.

Some good news: today my line manager confirmed that I am getting a promotion and a nearly-100% payrise backdated to April this year Shock The bonkers thing is that I still won't be able to pay the full mortgage amount after the extra tax and the loss of tax credits are taken into account, but I am very, very happy. I'll be able to pay half the mortgage and I'm pleased with that. Yay!

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Lweji · 20/07/2015 15:09

can you change your mortgage? Could it be cheaper?

AndHarry · 20/07/2015 15:34

It could be cheaper but it would need to be a joint application with H and I don't know if he'd be up for that. I'll do some digging into what's available and put some ideas together for him.

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MummaGiles · 20/07/2015 16:09

He doesn't sound like he contributes anything to your relationship. Being the breadwinner doesn't mean that he is absolved of all other responsibilities and completely disrespect you and all the work it sounds like you do for your family. I know it is tough now but I think you will see quite quickly that you are better off without him.

Jux · 20/07/2015 18:47

Congratulations on your promotion and hefty payrise! [balloons][bollinger]Grin

springydaffs · 20/07/2015 21:47

You do realise he's not going to easily give up frying your heart and mind - yes?

Just look at this thread, how you have swung to extremes and back - fury, heartbreaking pity... all his doing. He still jerking you around Confused

He won't stop it bcs that's what he does - he jerks ppl around. Though I hesitate to say it bcs I fear your heart will burst with pity. Darling, sometimes love doesn't cover a multitude - and we shouldn't even try. Think how premeditated he has been. He is a cruel bastard.

I've remembered the thought I had when I first began reading your thread tonight: the book 'Men who hate women (and the women who love them) (by Susan Forward, I think). It wasa great help to me when I left my horrible husband. Both of us Christians fwiw. The Christian religion, or culture, can strongly promote the subservience of women. Many abusive men are attracted to the church for precisely this.

You are marvellous btw Flowers

AndHarry · 21/07/2015 20:25

Thanks all. I still have my head screwed on: I do pity him but I don't want to be married to him and I don't want to be beholden to him in any way because there are so many strings attached that I know he will use like a pair of reins otherwise. He blew up the other day because he saw that I was selling an old TV stand. Apparently I should check with him before getting rid of anything. I told him that he has 2 weeks to collect anything he wants from this house and after that whatever is left is mine to do as I want with. I might not have any furniture left by August but we'll see :o I told him I'd prefer him to take the lot rather than to feel that I need to ask permission to manage my own home.

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CruCru · 22/07/2015 17:37

Oh well done.

Jux · 22/07/2015 23:41

He is such a twat.

Atenco · 23/07/2015 00:19

Whoa, he drives around in a Ferrari while his business is going up the spout!!!

I personally could not feel at all sorry for someone like that, especially as he had a wonderful wife and did not have the nous to keep her.

AndHarry · 23/07/2015 12:04

I don't know if he did have a wonderful wife. We've been married for 7 years and I had AND or PND for roughly 5 of them, although I wonder now whether the 'PND' I suffered after having DD was in fact sheer misery at the situation. I certainly had PND after having DS but it didn't feel the same when I had DD. I've felt much better in the past few weeks. Funny that.

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Atenco · 23/07/2015 13:56

I was spared PND, so all I know about it is what I read on here, but it certainly seems to go hand in glove with lousy relationships.

AndHarry · 27/07/2015 11:16

I'm so angry. I've just had a phone conversation with H about the August bank holiday and I can't believe his attitude. He has the DC that weekend and would normally drop them to school and nursery on the Monday morning, then I would collect them in the afternoon. I asked him weeks ago to think about what he wants to do on weekends with a bank holiday attached: see the Monday as an extra weekend day that he would spend with them or deliver them back to me in the morning, but he said he still needs to think about it and he 'might have them sometimes'. He was really reluctant about having them this bank holiday. Is it just me, or if you saw your DC every other weekend wouldn't you jump at the chance to have an extra free day with them?

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Lweji · 27/07/2015 14:42

You are still expecting him to act like you would, or me, or any normal person who loves their children.
From personal experience, it's saner not to expect anything. Not offer anything, and keep to schedule. Let him ask you, and then you decide. Tell him how much advance notice you need.
Every time you offer, you give him the chance to mess with your mind and play his games.

I've felt much better in the past few weeks. Not surprisingly. :)