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DH has left again

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AndHarry · 17/05/2015 08:34

Third time in as many years. He sat me down last night and said he was unhappy and thought we should separate. I asked him what he was unhappy about and what I needed to change. It was difficult to pin him down to anything but then it came out: he wants me to do things for him like sew buttons back onto his shirts and fix his trousers when there's a hole in the pocket or the hem has dropped. That's it. He wants to put me through all this again because of a few buttons. It's so incredibly pathetic I would laugh if I wasn't crying.

What it actually boils down to is that he wants to feel respected as the manly head of the household, even if he hasn't put it like that. As I told him last night, it's difficult to respect him when I feel like his mother: organising everything, picking up after him, reminding him of essential things that need doing for the kids, coming into the kitchen many days to find it full of dirty crockery from the day(s) before (I cook, he washes up), struggle to tidy up because the bins are overflowing (his job) and have to cajole him into coming out with the kids instead of sticking on a DVD and lying on the sofa all weekend. I have tried and tried in as many ways as I could think of to make things easy for him and do things for him but get ground down by the sheer laziness of his response. The more I do, the less he bothers.

I said I would do everything around the house if that would stop the arguments and resentment, just to be stonewalled with 'it won't work'. I asked him to try doing the household chores he had agreed to do, consistently, and got 'it won't work'.

I pointed out that I had supported him in going to the gym every morning before work and going out with his friends several nights a week so that he gets his own time. Apparently 'it's not that'.

I said how hurt I was that he had complained about what I cooked so I only made the things he said he wanted but he still orders pizza for himself. How hurt I am that when I did as he asked and made his lunches he didn't eat them, preferring to get fast food instead. 'Shrug'.

The fact is that he has a pretty cushy life but, as he repeatedly points out, he is the 'breadwinner' while I only work because I want to, so anything wrong around the house is immediately my fault for not being wifely enough.

I ended up screaming into my pillow with sheer frustration. He didn't come to bed and this morning he wasn't in the house and his car has gone.

Another fall to the tax office to sort out tax credits tomorrow. Another time trying to keep myself together for the kids, dealing with their anxieties over their dad being gone, pretending that he's in meetings or at the gym every evening. Dealing with my parents' disappointment again.

I'm sorry this is an essay. I don't want anything, just needed to get it out.

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mix56 · 14/06/2015 19:30

It's almost impossible to remove all the roots, infact they seem to thrive after being attacked, however blackberry jelly is THE best jam that God ever made ! I hope you had s a good Sunday Harry !
re bizarre reactions from friends & acquaintances, some, understand, some judge, some don't abide divorce & think more effort is needed........

You have done everything you can to save your marriage, but one-sided it doesn't work., So don't waste time on fretting over it.
It is what it is, & it is your life, Enjoy it :o)

AndHarry · 14/06/2015 21:56

I dug out everything I could see, covered the ground with blackout fabric and slate chips so I hope they won't come back. I love blackberries but brambles aren't a good look in a front garden!

I don't know about friend. He's divorced so there's no issue with him disapproving of it. He knows too much about me to even be thinking of being attracted to me :o When the divorce is finalised I'll have a chat with him and find out what's going on.

This afternoon I had to drive for 4 hours to collect the DC from MIL. What with that, a long day yesterday and dreadful hayfever I am more than ready for an early night.

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mix56 · 15/06/2015 08:27

Did you have to drive 4 hours to take them to MIL too? I hope the drop off for children is shared, not one sided. You can meet half way, you can do the deliver, he can do the return, or whatever,

AndHarry · 15/06/2015 09:17

It's a bit complicated. MIL works in our home town Tuesday-Friday so she took the DC back to her home 2 hours away on Friday, then I went to get them yesterday evening. The drive is ok but her house is rented and the previous tenants must have had a pet because as soon as I walk in I get an allergic reaction: itchy rash, hot & cold, difficulty breathing, sneezing etc. I can normally control it with antihistamines and an inhaler but I'd already maxed out the medication for hayfever over the past week or so so I felt dreadful on the way back.

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mix56 · 15/06/2015 10:54

If you are good terms with her, maybe she could get the house steam vaxed ?
wash the curtains etc.
Have you seen a doctor for the hay fever? try asking for cortisone nasal spray, (flixonase, Beconase etc.) they are infinitely preferable to antihistaminic tabs.

AndHarry · 15/06/2015 11:09

She's a professional cleaner and has blitzed the house but something is still setting me off. We are on good terms; she's an absolute star.

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AndHarry · 15/06/2015 11:10

Yes I've been to the doctor. Each season we find something that works and then have to go through the whole thing all over again the next year. I'm thinking of asking for those grass tablets that you take over 3 years. It has to be preferable to this!

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mix56 · 15/06/2015 12:07

misery ! sorry, is there a specific tree around her house in flower ? Horse chestnut ? it could be outside the house, not in it ?
de-sensitising can help, get an aptmt with allergist /immunologist

AndHarry · 15/06/2015 19:17

I think it's the carpet in the sitting room. It's been deep cleaned but I definitely get worse when I sit on it.

STBexH dropped some tablets, nasal spray and eye drops round and left them on the doorstep. That was nice of him.

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AndHarry · 15/06/2015 21:38

One of the oddest things about all this is the way the old insecurities have come rushing back. I'm too fat, what do I wear, how do I talk to men I might like without gibbering... on and on. I feel about 17 years old.

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Jux · 15/06/2015 22:56

"This too shall pass" as they say [gron]

AndHarry · 16/06/2015 09:35

Groan is about right.

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AndHarry · 16/06/2015 11:28

I've re-read this and my old thread several times now when I've needed to regain perspective and I'm horrified at what I've put up with. Reading my old thread is heartbreaking. I had a new baby and was walking around in winter freezing cold in shoes with holes in them and a borrowed coat while he spent what I now know to be over £1000 on designer coats and shoes for himself. He knew I was going without and he still thought that was ok.

At the time I blamed myself for any arguments because I was tired from being up all night with the baby and suffering from PND again, and beat myself up about failing to be the kind of wife and mother I wanted to be. I agonised over every failing, felt guilty over every over-reaction and wished so hard to be different.

I still think that there were things I could have done better, but I'm starting to truly believe that I've done enough. I did my part the best I could at the time. Sometimes my best was just surviving and there were plenty of times that I was hanging on by my fingertips, but I could never have lived up to my own expectations, or his.

It's been a month since he left. It feels like a week.

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mix56 · 16/06/2015 13:51

No regrets. Good

Jux · 16/06/2015 17:10

OMG!!! It's you! I remember that old thread, the holed shoes and inadequate coat. I remember you. I have no idea if I posted or not, could have just lurked, but I was appalled at a man able to leave his wife like that while squandering money on himself - with a tiny baby as well.

Surviving is right. I'm so glad you managed to and that you have moved on so far from that poor exhausted benighted woman, and have come out and dumped him. You'll not go back there, just read that thread if you ever doubt yourself again.

Splendid woman that you are. Cake[shoes]Brew

I am so delighted to see you out of there.

AndHarry · 16/06/2015 17:53

Blush Thanks for the shoes! I have some nice ones now and a lovely coat :o It got worse after that thread but I think it's now going to get better.

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Rozalia · 16/06/2015 19:03

Don't remember your thread ( link?), but it sounds horrendous. Well done for getting out.

I'm not long out of an abusive marriage too and I can identify with what you said "I'm horrified at what I put up with".

I feel the same. Distance is giving perspective, I remember things and think WTF? Why didn't I leave when that was happening? Or that? Or that?

It is actually a question well worth asking. Why did we put up with such awful treatment, while we tried to be the best we could be? We need to know the answer and proof ourselves against it happening again.

So glad you are out Thanks

AndHarry · 16/06/2015 19:29

Here it is.

I don't know what the answer to that one is. Perhaps because bad routines and behaviours build up so slowly that your tolerance for them also increases? A bit like the boiling a frog story. A bit of guilt for your own real of perceived failings too and a bit of disbelief that this could actually be happening to you?

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tribpot · 16/06/2015 19:48

It got worse than that? :( I remember the thread too. How could anyone think it was okay to squander cash on designer gear whilst you had shoes with holes in? Did he ever have an explanation? Presumably it was your fault you were on maternity leave (!) and you (and you alone) should have planned better.

On your last thread you said I do think that DH is a fundamentally decent man - I hope that you now accept that this is not the case.

AndHarry · 16/06/2015 20:30

There never was an explanation. I think it's possibly a fundamental difference in attitudes to spending. I feel guilty every time I spend money on myself whereas he is very much about the image he presents and so wants the best, right now. He thought that if I needed something, I would buy it, or ask him for the money to buy it, whereas I would be worrying about how I was going to make the food budget stretch for the month and so wouldn't want to add an extra non-essential expense for something that was just for me. I'm getting better at the guilt thing since I had counselling but it's going to take a lot of work and I'm never going to be a flashy person. I'm in no way miserly and had no problem with him buying himself nice things, I just had a problem with him spending money we didn't have on things he didn't need.

It's difficult to say how it got worse but I know I felt worse IYSWIM. It was a build-up of little things that knocked away at my self-value. Like when I needed new clothes after having DD he gave me vouchers for a shop I don't like instead of money. He deleted call records from my phone and then denied that the calls/discussions had ever taken place, trying to persuade me that I had been imagining things. I caught him out on that one though by looking at my call logs online and finding the supposedly non-existent calls and then sending him the screenshots with a definition of gaslighting. Other stuff that I really don't want to go into here, it's too raw.

I believe that he wants and believes himself to be a decent man. Let's put it that way.

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tribpot · 16/06/2015 21:05

No, please don't feel you have to share anything that's just going to upset you further. But somewhere you should write all these things down - because at some point you will need to remember everything he put you through. Your brain will try to dull it but you need to remember so you are not tempted to go back.

scallopsrgreat · 16/06/2015 22:16

AndHarry I remember your last thread (and posted on it). So glad you are getting away from him. The gaslighting is especially chilling.

I'm sure he does think (in his more deluded moments) he's a decent bloke. But he isn't. He is an utter shit. Truly. And remember he deliberately gaslights you. He absolutely knows he is trying to deceive you and lie to you. It isn't a mistake. Because it so specific. It's likely only to be with you (if it were at work, for example, he'd be caught out much more easily) and about things he promised or said to you that he no longer wants to acknowledge. Very very deliberate.

I'd totally recommend keeping a diary or just writing down all the things you remember, as tribpot said. It'll be cathartic and also a really good reminder every time he turns on the charm.

AndHarry · 17/06/2015 09:54

Writing things down is a good idea. I'm glad I looked up the old thread for reference; it definitely shocked me.

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sofato5miles · 17/06/2015 09:59

OMG at the phone bills. WHat an utterly cruel bastard.

You are wonderful! You have left! What a woman. Grin

Jux · 17/06/2015 15:31

Oh I recognise the utterly convincing denials of something said only a minute before! Or of something done yesterday. It leaves you completely bemused at first, doesn't it, but eventually it's just accepted that one of you has got it wrong and guess which one of you it is! Huh.

I've even worked with a couple of people like that. One of them's a highly respected MP; but I know what she's really like. One day I might even tell Grin