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I AM AN ABUSER

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realtruth · 15/05/2015 16:11

I am an abuser.
It’s something that just dawned on me.

When I was 17 I was in my first ever relationship... My first ever relationship plus first relationship with someone of the same sex. She was a lot older than me. Very clingy, I didn’t even get to walk out the college gates without her being right there to pick me up... I stopped seeing my friends because she wanted me to herself... I liked it... then suddenly her friends came back into her life. And I became very jealous. And insecure. I wanted her to myself. I didn’t want her to have friends. They didn’t like me, so I didn’t like them. I hated her talking to them about our issues. In fact I hated her talking to them at all. I was manipulative. And would get upset anytime she wanted to see them.
I kept breaking up with her because I knew how I was behaving... how we were both behaving was unnsceptable... she used to call me names etc. my dad was physically abusive and my mum was in hospital for the duration of our 10 month relationship, she was all I had, id stay at her house to escape from my dad. And I didn’t want to share her with anyone.

In the end I broke up with her because I couldn’t cope with how the relationship was. She would use her granddads death as a reason why I couldn’t break up with her. (I first tried to break up with her 2 weeks in but she would say “my granddad died a year ago and I’m lonely” and I’d feel bad and stay...

When I broke up with her she stalked me for about a year after...

Then she got with someone else. And my jealousy started again. I told her new partner that she had pushed me down (which she did when she was drunk and angry but I was telling her because I wanted her back) my ex was very big very big and I was very small...

Anyway... looking back now im an adult. I really feel awful for this. And people say people are abusers on purpose. But I’m a good person... and never had any plans to turn into what I did... I loved her so much. And I have always been a jealous person. She said I belonged to her and I was happy with that. I want to belong to someone. So when her friends came back into the picture. I couldn’t take it. There is no excuse. My dad didn’t want me my mum was in hospital. And she was all that wanted me. So I felt like her friends were taking her away from me. Her friends used to call me an n* (racial word) and created a YouTube channel harassing me and making fun of me. So that’s more why I didn’t want her seeing them.

So here I am now. Married and married to an abuser. We separated. And still in the abuse because he is here all the time with the kids... people say what he does is on purpose. The lies the mind games... The getting pleasure in me being ill and he having to look after me... but now I realised. He is insecure. He has had a bad life were everyone has left him... so what if he like me isn’t being an abuser on purpose. Now I feel I should take him back and accept him for who he is. I feel worthless and depressed when he’s around. But he also does everything for me. Again I have gone with someone a lot older than me.
What is love? He is jealous and wants me to himself. And his full of anger when I hurt his feelings.
With my ex I loved her. Was very jealous and didn’t want anyone around her but me.
I know I am a bad person... but I didn’t mean to be. So perhaps my husband doesn’t mean to say what he says or do what he do.

Thank you for reading. I needed to get this off my chest. I had never seen a well-balanced relationship before. As my dad used to knock me into next week and manipulate the crap out of my mum. So when I met my ex I didn’t know how to act. But I don’t think I’ll ever be in a relationship that isn’t dysfunctional because I don’t know how to be.
I would prefer to not be emotionally and psychological abused because it’s very draining. And exhausting. But I don’t mind being owed by someone who really loves me, will do anything for me. Like my ex did. I don’t mind not having a social life like I didn’t with my ex because she didn’t want me to.
And I would prefer physical violence. Because I know what to expect with that. Obvcourse I would prefer to avoid it. But I have resigned myself that I will always be in a dysfunctional relationship with someone who is obsessed with me, very odd. And not normal who would prefer I was ill so I would be all there’s. That is who I attracted
All I know is I have regrets treating my ex the way I did. I was born jealous. I was born very jealous and I will die just as jealous no matter what I do...

Thinking... the person I married moved miles away from his home. And now has no friends. He doesn’t want to make any despite me trying to get him to be more social. But I just realised I probably would be just as jealous if he did make friends if we were together. I’m like a dog that needs to be put down.

Is there an abusers class I can go to to change me? Because I really don’t mean to be this way or calculate anything etc like apparently abusers doo..yet I am an abuser.

I know what people say about abusers so I am prepared for the insults. But I cant change. Without finding how.; to find out how I had to admit the truth. The shameful truth. I never physically hurt anyone. But being manipulative jealous and not wanting her to see her friends is enough. No one has a right to feel they own someone. Yet I felt like she was mine. The same way she felt I belonged to her and would be waiting outside the gates at college so I couldn't go anywhere with my friends. I now know this isn’t normal.. but at the same time.. I know it doesn't bother me like it should.

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realtruth · 15/05/2015 17:28

ashtrayheart. you say im no more abusive than she was. but if how she treated me was abusive then i like it. she did nothing but love me actually. i felt so so loved. sufocated but loved. she loved me so much the second i finnished college she would be inside the gate.. not even outside the gate.. my bestfriend never saw me.. but i had never had that before. she made me feel so so safe. i cant tel you. sometimes for days we would be locked in her room just me and her. and we never argued. the momment her friends or my friends got involved. we were at each others throats. when she looked at me i saw the love in her eyes. she looked after me. and cared for me.

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PacificDogwood · 15/05/2015 17:30

That's co-dependency not love Sad

realtruth · 15/05/2015 17:30

hi sarah i paid that 10pound for the freedom online program. but kicked my ex out so didnt even end up reading it. i would have to clarify my ex( kids dad) do everything for me. apart from talking to me like shit ( he doesnt infront of kids now) apart from that he is a good person. even when i talk to him like shit and tell him to get out if i rang him to get me anything anytime he would. i want us both to get help seperatly ( i dont want to be in this relationship as i am focusing on my kids.

but if i was to ever get in another relationship. i would want him/her to feel i am theres. and i want to feel safe. and not threatened by people around them.

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realtruth · 15/05/2015 17:31

what does that mean pacific? that she didnt love me or i didnt love her?

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realtruth · 15/05/2015 17:31

what is love then? shouldnt you feel safe with someone you love? and feel wanted?

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realtruth · 15/05/2015 17:32

please dont think im stupid for asking because i have no one to learn this off.

what really is supposed to happen in a healthy love relationship? which part of what i said isnt her showing love. because i loved all those things? it made me feel loved?

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realtruth · 15/05/2015 17:34

quit likely go away will you lol your not teaching me anything i dont already know. I SPLIT WITH THERE DAD TO PROTECT THEM. this speech your giving me would have been better when i was still with him.

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PacificDogwood · 15/05/2015 17:35

It is so hard to define, isn't it?

You should feel safe, even on your own, or when somebody else is looking at your partner, or talking to them or even touching them. It is trust and being relaxed around them.
It is being comfortable on your own, the difference between wanting to be with somebody (and they with you) and needing to be with them.
There are of course degrees - it's not black/white or all/nothing.

Don't see your dad just because he tells you he's coming.
Do you want to see him?
Is meeting him going to add something positive to your life?
You decide whether to see him or not, don't just go because of his text.

realtruth · 15/05/2015 17:36

quiet likely - YOu dont know how i managed to enjoy life being the way i am lol

well my children are my joy , but anyway. i havent thought i was an abuser forever. this just came to me today..

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PacificDogwood · 15/05/2015 17:37

You could always do the Freedom Program for your own sake.

My impression is that you have rather dysfunctional view of what a healthy, mutually supportive relationship looks like - sounds like you learnt an awful lot of crappy stuff growing up.

Have you seen Reality's (wise MNer) list? I'll find it for you...

PacificDogwood · 15/05/2015 17:39

Read the OP
And the rest of the thread - 'tis a long one….

BuzzardBird · 15/05/2015 17:40

Love is mutual respect, you treat them how you would like to be treated yourself. The way you love your children (which I know you do) is the way you should treat a partner (without the obvious parenting things like discipline).
You should never feel the need to lie, you should feel you/they can leave and you/they will come back because you/they want to.

Most of all love is being able to rely on someone but not lean on them.

realtruth · 15/05/2015 17:41

wannaBe - wow thank you for sharing this with me, and i am so sorry for how your ex treated you, did you ever find out what happened to him?

I think your right this was the sort of advice i needed because I KNOW he isnt a bad person. his heart is good, and so are his intentions. do you think counselling is the sort of therapy or something else? thanks so much

I am open to doing further counselling also. We have children together, and i know he would be there for me no matter what, the way he is he has been like this since childhood, so I know its not some calculated act of an abusive person who chooses to be this way, thats why as a friend I want him to get help , so he handles things differently, and sees things clearer, you know?

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PacificDogwood · 15/05/2015 17:44

If he seeks help, there's help out there.
You cannot do it for him.
The vast majority of people who act in abusive ways may have reasons in their background to explain why they behave the way they do - IMO true 'evilness' is actually quite rare.

But explaining a behaviour is NEVER a justification.

The acceptable level of abuse is zero.

realtruth · 15/05/2015 17:46

pacific. the thing is im not jelous about someone cheating on me etc. so i dont know what it actually is.. you know? i dont know.. but regarding the feeling safe i do feel safe on my own. but something makes me happy about feeling pretected by soemone else? I am fully capable of caring for myself and prottecting my self.. but want someone else to if that makes sence? I am always the protecter and the one to make others feel safe.

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LimpidPools · 15/05/2015 17:46

Forgiveness doesn't have to mean letting people back in so that they can give you more crap to deal with. It can be more about coming to terms with things that happened in your past. Perhaps somebody had their own problems which they took out on you (still not ok). Or perhaps you just accept that a situation was shit and let go of some of your own anger when you're ready to.

But you don't ever have to put up with continuing to see somebody who is or was unkind to you just because you feel that that is forgiveness and that this "forgiveness" is a necessary part of recovery.

realtruth · 15/05/2015 17:49

paciific about my dad.

Do I want to see him - No
Will it add something positive to my life?- im not sure till ive seen him

I may be happy to see him when he arives.. at the momment i am dreading it.. but everyone diserves a second chance. despite everything he put me thriough. i love my dad. and it hurts me him not being in my life. its time to put the past behind me like i have forgiven him. he has said sorry for everything he did to me and my mum. and i believe he is sorry. he cant change what he did but for the past year he has been trying. and i have been ignoring him and he really has tried to keep in contact. its time i allowed him to have his daughter back in his life.

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realtruth · 15/05/2015 17:51

Buzzard- thank you for explaining that.

What about my partner is this love? He has always said from day one " if you cheat on me dont tell me because it doesnt matter i will never leave you, even if you got pregnant and had someone elses child i would raise them as my own and still love you" - is this more extreem than love? is this normal? i know i wouldnt stay if he cheated..

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LimpidPools · 15/05/2015 17:51

Unless he continues to act like an arsehole towards you. Then you still get to say that no, that's enough. He's had his chances. The decision is yours. At any time. Allow yourself to make it.

realtruth · 15/05/2015 17:53

buzzard- i talked to my ex(kids dad) like crap many times. (usualy around after my births lol) but never the less. it wasnt nice. does that mean i dont love him? and i know for sure he loves me but he talks to me like crap ( not so much now.. but he does love me? and the more i loved him the more the things he said started to effect me and the more angrier my responces were..

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realtruth · 15/05/2015 17:54

my dad hasnt been an asshole to me, he has said some horrible things to my mum this year.. but my mum will be seeing him tommorow so i might as well.

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Anniegetyourgun · 15/05/2015 17:54

The Verbally Abusive Relationship by Beverley Engel is quite a good book for people who know they are behaving abusively and want to stop. The author has been there herself so she does genuinely understand what it can be like.

I do think you have made a good decision by not living with your children's father if you are able to co-parent better separately than together. Also consider, if you weren't a good person you'd just wallow in your faults or find ways to blame someone else instead of trying to improve. It's often said that abusers very rarely change, not because they can't but because at heart they don't really want to. You hate being abusive - and this is why people are reluctant to go along with your labelling yourself "an abuser" rather than "someone who is behaving abusively". Fuck, that sounds pretty patronising, I don't mean to be. Let's put it this way: you have opened your eyes, you know what you're doing, you don't want to carry on doing it, that is the first step that most "real" abusers never manage to take.

I wish you the very best of luck.

Anniegetyourgun · 15/05/2015 17:56

Sorry, I got two books mixed up there, the one I have is The Emotionally Abusive Relationship by Beverley Engel. The Verbally Abusive Relationship is by Patricia Evans, I haven't read that one but have heard good reports.

Anniegetyourgun · 15/05/2015 17:56

Beverly* - d'oh!

realtruth · 15/05/2015 17:56

pacific. what are the minor things true evil people do? and i will ask him if he will think of counselling. he hasnt got a relationship with any of his family, its me that keeps telling him to get in contact with people. so he doesnt just have me and the kids. i feel bad for him. when we met he just spent time all on his own in his apartment. i kow he really is effected by his past. his mum is very strange and lacks emotion. so i know its hard for him to communicate he feels your getting at him if u dont agree with something he says and he just shuts of.

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