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Don't want to leave, have to leave

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SmallPlace · 11/05/2015 14:07

I have been with my partner for five years, we have a 15month DS.
Our relationship has been always up and down, let's say passionate and rich in difference of opinions. My partner is most of the time supportive and loving, I find him attractive and interesting but he does have an occasional problem with controlling his anger.
On Friday he was looking after DS while I was at work. That was the first time he looked after him in months because DP was busy working on an important project, so I took care of the baby and the house, and the meals (with help from his mum two days a week to be fair) on top of my PT work. He would come late, after we were sleep and leave after breakfast. I was exhausted by the end of it and so was he. On Friday I came home and found that the baby didn't have his nap at his usual time because he was taken on an errand that DP had to do (he was asleep in the afternoon which meant that it would take me much much longer to settle him in the evening) and I told off the DP, telling him that he needs to put the baby first. There was a bit of resentment in my voice because the DP has just been sleeping and emailing since the project finished, I honestly didn't have much help from him, or an acknowledgement of how hard I worked to support him. He yawned, I repeated what I said. He lost it then, just in a second, grabbed the sleeping baby, stated to shout, left the room, I went after him and he pressed me against the wall and yelled and yelled in my face (while still holding the stunned DS).
This is not the first time this happened, but has been more than six months and we had counselling in the past. I thought we're past it and were solid together. He never apologised unreservedly when it happened before. He always qualified it with "what did you think would happen when you talk to me like that", and while it's awful that he did that I need to take responsibility for my behaviour. I find it hard to say it's my fault. I have been guilty in the past of escalating arguments but this time I can put my hand on my heart and say that it was him that lost it. Besides, I don't think there's ever justification for agression and physically threatening behaviour.
We tried to talk about it the next day but we had another argument. He won't take responsibility for himself.
It's been quiet in the house since, but I feel that a line has been crossed with him shouting at me like that while holding the baby, and while I don't think my life will be easier or happier without him I don't think I can live pretending this never happened and I don't want my son to grow up with scenes like this.
I'm going to suggest counselling again but I'm so scared if he doesn't take responsibility I will have to leave. I really don't want to do that.

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ShizeItsWeegie · 11/05/2015 19:30

OP - seriously please re-read your post. You are not taking this way seriously enough. For your DC if or no other reason, get away from this VILE appalling man!

Skiptonlass · 11/05/2015 19:48

Don't go to counselling with him. Please!

Try women's aid again a bit later - I hear they are busiest 7-7

goddessofsmallthings · 11/05/2015 19:52

"The friendship comment was about me, that I need to be friendly to him if we're going to do it. And I would be if he said he was sorry. He said he wouldn't do counselling on my terms."

Pre-supposing that hell froze over I was able to bring myself to be 'friendly' towards anyone who manhandled my sleeping baby in the way he manhandled yours, attending a counselling session with such an individual would inevitably give rise to venting my feelings about his behaviour.

How would he react to that eventuality? Would he walk out because I wasn't being 'friendly' enough or would he wait until after the session to punish me for having the temerity to take a less than 'benevolent' view of his behaviour?

Even without taking into consideration the lengths to which abusers will go to manipulate situations to their own advantage, if he was able to control himself within the short confines of a counselling session it's highly unlikely he'd be able to restrain himself after which is why joint counselling is NOT recommended in situations where one party is abusive.

The only form of counselling which may work for him is a course specifically for domestic violence perpetrators, but it should be noted the failures far outweigh the successes.

I have a sinking feeling that you will choose to fly in the face of the wise advice given here and minimise his behaviour, OP. If that is your intention please be aware that, in continuing to live with him, you will be condoning his violence and will be giving him carte blanche to escalate it.

HeyDuggee - as it doesn't appear that the OP's 'dp' is in fact a 'dh', calling the police is unlikely to result in him being removed from his property.

PandaMummyofOne · 11/05/2015 19:52

I'm worried that you think most of his behaviour is your fault. We all argue and fight and at times are all guilty of instigating or pushing it/refusing to drop it. DP and I have Vesuvius style tempers. But will a) never argue in front of DS, just sit in an atmosphere and more importantly b) neither would raise a hand to the other.

I won't patronise you and say leave, it's your choice. But please think about staying very carefully, especially from your LO's perspective. Do you want him growing up seeing that?

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 11/05/2015 20:03

Please ignore Peggy it is an abuse apologist.

HeyDuggee · 11/05/2015 20:19

Oh bloody hell, I didn't realise you weren't married. So he doesn't threaten to ever kick you out of his house or stop supporting you and baby financially when you argue?

SmallPlace · 11/05/2015 20:35

The baby is in bed, I just read all your posts and it's so painful. Dp's gone for tonight, I'll look for somewhere for us to stay tomorrow. I want to cry my eyes out. I thought things were getting better and we had lovely few months. Now its worse than ever. I don't think dp will ever hear me and see how serious this is, he keeps saying I'm drawing the line and giving him an ultimatum and not being kind. He sees this as me playing power games...
Thanks for giving me strength to go through this, i guess when I first posted I knew what I had to do in my hear of hearts

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SmallPlace · 11/05/2015 20:37

And yes he said he's not moving out as its his house and if I want to split it's my decision and my responsibility to find somewhere

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EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 11/05/2015 20:42

And he assaulted you only 6 months ago? Are the incidents getting closer together?

SmallPlace · 11/05/2015 20:45

No, but there were a few incidents when I was pregnant and they stopped when we had counselling. Then he did it six months ago and now again.

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cakebaby · 11/05/2015 20:52

OP he assaulted you and involving the baby is inexcusable and should be ringing massive alarm bells for you. Who the hell does that? Utterly terrifying. This is a MASSIVE wake up call for you waving a huge red flag to boot.

You are not acting protectively to you child and minimising his behaviour, as he is. I've never posted in this section before but you need to leave. Protect your child . Protect yourself. Before this ends in tragedy. Flowers

tipsytrifle · 11/05/2015 21:08

SmallPlace i think you need to call 101 and ask for help with escaping TONIGHT. There are a few hours before closing time at the pub. This is the time to leave. You really should be leaving.

goddessofsmallthings · 11/05/2015 21:17

Aw, honey, have a good cry and wallow in self-pity for a while - and then start counting your blessings; you've got your little ds, your health, your youth, and the strength of mind to walk away from a man whose idea of a relationship is one in which he holds all the power and who doesn't scruple to manhandle a babe in arms to make his point.

Keep trying WA and hopefully you will get through tonight but, if not, go to your local police station tomorrow and ask to speak to an officer from your regional police authority's domestic violence unit who can make arrangements for you and your ds to be taken to a place of safety.

It may seem a big step to take but don't be scared... you'll be met with the type of kindness that will enable you to build a good life for yourself and your ds.

Please note that should your stbxp agree to sign up to a dv course, it is NOT recommended that perps live or associate with their victims until such time as they have completed all of the sessions and have demonstrated that they will not regress.

Sadly, as said before, few are able to overcome their issues to the satisfaction of all concerned - and many pick up jargon which makes them sound convincing when, in truth, they have no intention of changing their ways.

SmallPlace · 11/05/2015 21:28

This is a silly question but what do WA do? I tried them earlier because I thought I would need help finding somewhere to sleep tonight but after that DP said he'd leave and it's better for the baby to stay in a familiar place. Tomo I'll ask a friend from the neighbourhood.

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SmallPlace · 11/05/2015 21:31

I don't think we're unsafe to the point of having to call the police, he's not violent in that way iyswim. He's just playing mind games now.

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cakebaby · 11/05/2015 21:47

OP he assaulted you. He grabbed your sleeping child. He has comitted an offence. You cannot be sure you are safe with him there. You are minimising his actions.

tipsytrifle · 11/05/2015 22:01

He said he'd leave. Has he? What was your response? I'm thinking it should have been "please do, now"

You are for sure minimising and still accepting that he has all the active power. This isn't true but how you feel it is worth more than any prison bar. Spoken from hindsight, of course.

tipsytrifle · 11/05/2015 22:03

101 is not the emergency number. It would get you through to the abuse unit for allocation to an advisor and, well, advice, based on what you describe as to what's going on here. Which is abuse.

SmallPlace · 11/05/2015 23:04

I left a message with WA.
I have the headache of the century and a lump in my throat.

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tipsytrifle · 12/05/2015 08:43

That's awesome, leaving a message with WA, a very brave move!

I'm so sorry about the fear and the very physical effects it brings. The headache, the nausea, the butterflies and panic. I'm sorry you're going through this. But since you made your situation clear in writing to yourself, as well as us, maybe you're kind of getting ready for what you know is going to happen. You do of course have choice about this but it isn't a proper choice when one path (leave) is sane and the other is not (stay).

I'm wishing you to find the best of your courage and strength Flowers

Fooshufflewickbannanapants · 12/05/2015 09:00

He is violent. He picked up your sleeping baby in anger . Well done for taking the first step.but you need to see the violence for what it is.

Namechanger2015 · 17/05/2015 19:14

Hi Smallplace how are you doing? Are you still at home? Are you safe?

SmallPlace · 17/05/2015 22:49

I'm OK. Still at home, still a bit sad and bewildered. Safe yes. Going to see my counsellor tomorrow.

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Namechanger2015 · 18/05/2015 09:35

Smallplace, I"m in a very similar situation - I left my DP in Jan because he assaulted me in Dec last year. I didn't want to leave, but had no choice as our 3 DC witnessed it all, and H is adamant it was my fault, and he will not accept responsibility for it. I don't want to leave, but I think I have to.

I'm also seeing my counsellor on Monday. We will get through this.

SmallPlace · 18/05/2015 15:52

So sorry to hear that Namechanger, it's shit isn't it, and so unfair Flowers

We WILL get through this.

I reached out to WA and they gave me phone numbers and some useful info.

Talking to my counsillor though (I've been seeing her for a while before this, dealing with a bereavement., miscarriage and PND at the same time) she agreed that abuse is a strong word for my relationship with DP, he's been nothing but kind and supportive in my darkest days (and I have not been easy to live with by any means). But she also agreed that what happened is very serious and that I'm right to take a strong line and insist on apology and counselling. He did apologise but it took a few days of talking, arguing, crying to get there and it makes me sad that I had to extract it from him... I still feel we haven't arrived at a closure, hopefully counselling will help. A line has been crossed for me and if I don't feel that he's taken on board how serious and messed up his behaviour was. I'm determined to be responsible and leave, this truly is a deal breaker for me.

I draw my strength from the thought that I'm doing the right and responsible thing for my DS, as you are too.

Have you definitely come to the conclusion that ending the relationship is the only way? Did this happen before? How old are the DC?

Be strong Namechanger, you know and your instinct knows what's right.

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