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Don't want to leave, have to leave

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SmallPlace · 11/05/2015 14:07

I have been with my partner for five years, we have a 15month DS.
Our relationship has been always up and down, let's say passionate and rich in difference of opinions. My partner is most of the time supportive and loving, I find him attractive and interesting but he does have an occasional problem with controlling his anger.
On Friday he was looking after DS while I was at work. That was the first time he looked after him in months because DP was busy working on an important project, so I took care of the baby and the house, and the meals (with help from his mum two days a week to be fair) on top of my PT work. He would come late, after we were sleep and leave after breakfast. I was exhausted by the end of it and so was he. On Friday I came home and found that the baby didn't have his nap at his usual time because he was taken on an errand that DP had to do (he was asleep in the afternoon which meant that it would take me much much longer to settle him in the evening) and I told off the DP, telling him that he needs to put the baby first. There was a bit of resentment in my voice because the DP has just been sleeping and emailing since the project finished, I honestly didn't have much help from him, or an acknowledgement of how hard I worked to support him. He yawned, I repeated what I said. He lost it then, just in a second, grabbed the sleeping baby, stated to shout, left the room, I went after him and he pressed me against the wall and yelled and yelled in my face (while still holding the stunned DS).
This is not the first time this happened, but has been more than six months and we had counselling in the past. I thought we're past it and were solid together. He never apologised unreservedly when it happened before. He always qualified it with "what did you think would happen when you talk to me like that", and while it's awful that he did that I need to take responsibility for my behaviour. I find it hard to say it's my fault. I have been guilty in the past of escalating arguments but this time I can put my hand on my heart and say that it was him that lost it. Besides, I don't think there's ever justification for agression and physically threatening behaviour.
We tried to talk about it the next day but we had another argument. He won't take responsibility for himself.
It's been quiet in the house since, but I feel that a line has been crossed with him shouting at me like that while holding the baby, and while I don't think my life will be easier or happier without him I don't think I can live pretending this never happened and I don't want my son to grow up with scenes like this.
I'm going to suggest counselling again but I'm so scared if he doesn't take responsibility I will have to leave. I really don't want to do that.

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Jan45 · 11/05/2015 17:44

He can tell you black is blue, it's up to you what you want to believe, he's still using the baby to beat you with a stick and confuse you, what a horrible nasty man he is, honestly, don't let an idiot like that brow beat you down, stand up for what you believe in, if he cant even see he has a problem then I'd honestly give up on him.

What exactly does he think the counselling is for - you???? He probably thinks you drove him to it, idiot!

Jan45 · 11/05/2015 17:45

He won't take responsibility for himself.

Yet he accuses you of playing games - it's very handy isn't it to blame you for it all.

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 11/05/2015 17:48

He's an abuser. He's emotionally and physically abusive and he has harmed your baby by waking him like that a screaming in your fac whilst holding him.
You have spent years excusing what is an abusive relationship by calling it fiery/passionate but it's just plain fucked up.

He isn't even sorry! Fucking hell. Protect your baby, get the fuck away from him.

Jan45 · 11/05/2015 17:49

He definitely is not sorry, he actually thinks it's you with the problem and he will go along to counselling, for you! You can't win, I'd stop engaging with him and tell him you want him to leave.

SmallPlace · 11/05/2015 17:52

I do feel brow beaten and like this is my fault and I should support him better. He also said that bit of shouting is not unusual and I am labelling him as abuser unfairly

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SmallPlace · 11/05/2015 17:54

I can't ask him to leave it's his house. And I don't have the energy to pack all our stuff and go somewhere right now. I just want to scream

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Jan45 · 11/05/2015 17:59

If you have a friend go see them and have a break from him, what did you have counselling for before?

Do not underestimate how intimidating and abusive it is to have another person shout and yell in your face, he seems to think it's normal behaviour which is even more worrying.

If you are in a toxic and unhealthy relationship and you recognise it, you can actually change your life, take baby steps, you will get there in the end, if you know deep down this man is bad for you and your child, don't stay out of not having anywhere to go, you will find somewhere or someone that can help.

Conserve your energy, take your time.

HootyMcTooty · 11/05/2015 17:59

I'm sorry you are in this situation.

One thing screams out at me from your posts is his offer for you to have the weekend off. It's a not very clever way of telling you that what he did was your fault because you're tired, so you need a break to sort yourself out. If he can't take responsibility and unreservedly apologise and tell you how he is going to fix his anger problem, I'm not sure what other options you have. Being aggressive around a sleeping baby is bad news Sad

SmallPlace · 11/05/2015 18:09

The counselling was for his uncontrolled behaviour that started when I got pregnant. It was that and issues we both had about becoming parents, neither of us comes from the most functional background. I have my share of issues but I'm not violent. I'm trying to sort it out through counselling

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goddessofsmallthings · 11/05/2015 18:25

"He said he'll do counselling only if approached with friendship and benevolence"

What he's saying is that he'll only see a counsellor who will validate his abusive behaviour and when they don't, he'll twist it around to make out they have concluded that his moods and aggression are down to you.

This man is a danger to you but, infinitely worse, he's a danger to your child. You may be big enough to fight back; your infant son isn't.

The onus is on you to put your ds's safety first before he becomes another casualty of this man's war with those who won't or don't dance to his tune.

If you can't get through to WA on the phone, email them and they'll get back to you.

FGS don't leave your baby with this man again.

springydaffs · 11/05/2015 18:28

Call women's aid at night, 7pm-7am. Or email them. They will help you.

Google the Freedom Programme, click 'find a course' to get contact details of course facilitator near you; leave an urgent message. They will help you.

You need to be out of there instantly. Counselling went nowhere last time, it'll go worse than nowhere this time. The above orgs will help you make a quick move, even if it's temporary, and will support you with all logistics. Trust them.

It is vital you get you and ds safe immediately. It is down to basics now op, no space to ignore the very ominous reality. I can't state this more strongly.

Be brave, you can do this. You won't be the first or the last; the above orgs will help you every step of the way because they will recognise how vital it is that you and your son need immediate protection.

This is a very serious situation op.

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 11/05/2015 18:29

It's not your fault
Raised voices occasionally is not unusual - screaming in your partners face whilst holding the baby you just woke up is completely unusual
He is an abuser
Abuse often starts during pregnancy
You have a baby to protect and by staying with him you will be failing utterly in this task

SmallPlace · 11/05/2015 18:33

The friendship comment was about me, that I need to be friendly to him if we're going to do it. And I would be if he said he was sorry. He said he wouldn't do counselling on my terms.

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springydaffs · 11/05/2015 18:36

Actually, to speed this up you can call the police and ask to be put through to DV unit. This would be the appropriate action in the circumstances.

I know its hard but be brave. This is a child protection issue at the very least. I dont want to spell it out but you must pull out all the stops xx

magoria · 11/05/2015 18:36

Counselling is not the answer.

Does your baby have to be nice to him not to be roughly grabbed, awakened and screamed near?

What about as your baby gets a little older and has a mind of their own? What can he do your baby if he plays up?

Your relationship has always been 'passionate' which is always the word used for argumentative in my opinion.

Just like many abusive man as soon as you were pregnant it stepped up a notch.

Get away before you or your DS is damaged beyond repair.

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 11/05/2015 18:44

Look, if he was sorry he would be begging you to forgive him, not attaching conditions to anything. He's not sorry, he thinks it was your fault.
Protect your baby. He's an abuser.

newstart15 · 11/05/2015 18:47

you poor love..he'a a head fuck trying to twist everything so you take responsibility and sweep this under the carpet. Name his behaviour - he is aggressive & blaming.

If you both had difficult childhoods then it's likely his behaviour is deeply ingrained.Break the circle so your son doesn't become like his dad.

HeyDuggee · 11/05/2015 18:49

I can often be critical of posters on this board crying leave the bastard too quickly.

But I am absolutely horrified at what your husband did, OP. There is no amount of counselling that will explain away his instict to grab a sleeping baby to threaten you and him.

I would be telling him to leave and informing him I am logging this with the police. And next time he dares to try it (because he will) I would let him know charges would be pressed, even if that destroys his career.

Laladeepsouth · 11/05/2015 18:55

Seriously, even if he's already had counseling (a waste of time for many abusive personality types) and "bargains" out his threatening and violent behavior you may headed for an incident in which social services will end up having to solve it for you. I'm not one of those who screams "Get out! You're being abused!" very often. But this man makes no apologies in other words, don't you dare EVER question or remark on anything he ever does because . . . who are you to judge him ?!? I can assure you that you saw the real him; this is a mindset that is very entrenched in him, and you'll see this behavior and worse over and over in stressful situations or when you say the "wrong thing." I'm sure you can't really understand what you're dealing with yet. Picking up a sleeping child to scream in your face the implied threat is terrifying. My God, that makes me furious and sick just thinking about it! I'm so sorry this is happening to you and your child.

popalot · 11/05/2015 19:02

He had counselling already and it didn't change his attitude.

Has the lightbulb moment happened for you yet? The moment when you realise he is a danger to you child and you need to get away for that reason alone?

Thinking about how he treats you, you probably feel a need to 'fix it', which may mean you moderate your behaviour for him. That's why you have stayed with him so long in a 'fiery' relationship that is actually abusive.

However, for me it was the threat against my child's life that made me say 'no more'. It was a lightbulb moment. After he left, we just grew and grew. Now I look back with guilt that I didn't get rid earlier because he let things slip that he'd been doing whilst I was at work and he was looking after her. Like shouting 'shut your eyes' in her face to make her go to sleep. It still leaves me with sadness I didn't protect her then.

So, let the lightbulb moment happen. He endangered your child emotionally and physically. You can never leave your child alone with him again. Your child isn't safe with him in the house even when you are there. His talk of but you did xyz and how unfair it all is is completely irrelevant. Bottomline, your child must come first.

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Laladeepsouth · 11/05/2015 19:06

Didn't preview my post -- not sure what I did: line-out not supposed to be there! I guess I was so intensely focusing on concern for OP and her child.

Allgunsblazing · 11/05/2015 19:15

OP, run like the wind! He's been messing with your head! Anybody grabbing a sleeping baby like that is not normal, god know what he's going to do next.
You're 'annoying' him now, imagine when your baby grows a bit older, they're not easy, they can be really annoying to the point you want to bang your head against the wall. What is he going to do then? Can you imagine?
Please get out, he's an abuser. If not for you, then for your baby.

queenofthepirates · 11/05/2015 19:25

49 posters telling you to go and not one suggesting you stay OP.

Laladeepsouth · 11/05/2015 19:25

OP, every single person who has posted since I read this thread and decided to post has told you exactly the same thing. You MUST take responsibility. It is YOUR responsibility.