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Family feud stressing me out!!

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sugarlips2015 · 04/05/2015 01:32

Hi

I don't have children (a sore point, very much a factor in this story) but I know this is an active forum. I'd appreciate any advice about how to deal with the sister in law from hell and the way she's poisoning family relations.

I've been with my partner for 17 years. For the 1st 10 years I had a great relationship with his close knit family of mum, dad, two sisters and a brother. I have nearly no immediate family so the upset in this dynamic had hit me hard...

When his brother met his now wife relations went down hill within a a few months. Initially, I got cross with her and we had words when she cancelled plans we had with them for the EIGHT time. I'm talking her texting me last min as I'm stepping into a taxi to pick her up. The final time when I told her she was rude was when they were supposed to come visit me when I'd moved away for work, they text, last min, with conflicting excuses and she said 'well why would we want to drive 150 miles to see you when we work hard all week?'. Charming!

A few months went by and Xmas came. A week before I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis aged just 26 which she'd been told about by MIL. We had both told our MIL that we wanted to forget about the words we'd had. But she didn't. She had our in laws visiting two pubs opposite each other on Xmas eve to see their sons separate (she was 5 months pregnant by then and said she it was too much for her to cross the road!!!). Then I got an FB message on Boxing Day calling me a 'sh&t stirrer' keeping the brothers apart because we went to the inlaws in the afternoon (we do every year) and they went round in the evening. I said how dare she attack me when I've just had bad news. She said 'we all have health scares I had precancerous cervical cells but I don't harp on about it!)

A few days later I messaged my bro in law/her boyf to say happy birthday then realised I'd been blocked from his FB. I emailed him and he admitted it was her but he'll stand by her. I called him gutless and told him where to go. I was so upset that people in my family could kick me when I was down and feeling vulnerable right after the bad news I'd had. My boyfriend refused to say anything to his brother, I felt bullied while I was ill - deep down that caused resentment between us.

Right I'll try summarise the following 8 years! ... The two brothers barely saw each other anymore. I'd asked for an apology and she said she had nothing to apologise for. Bizarrely I thought (I felt it was a set up) they asked my boyf to be godfather when first kid was born but as we weren't speaking and we felt she should apologise we never went to the christening. Perhaps we should have but I was hurt over the previous Xmas.

I tried to get along with she did nothing to help me warm to her. For her kid's 1st bday my partner went and I passed on my apologies for not going (I was in work 150 miles away) but bought a present. She sent messages me an attack to say my boyfriend could only be bothered to come for an hour and I could couldn't be bothered at all (charming, you're welcome for the present!). This became a reoccurring theme and we were regularly accused of not making the effort with the kids (that we didn't pop round to see the kids and how nasty she is to us was obviously connected!)

Over the next 4 years or so, we largely didn't speak and the parties/gatherings in this once close knit family grew fewer. One time, on my suggestion, we met up and myself, my partner, his brother all apologised and we'd have moved on but she refused and said her boyfriend had nothing to apologise for either, so another year went by not talking (then they'd moved in opposite us!!). She shouted after us that the whole family inc MIL was on her side!!! Soon after, she came into our MIL's house and she saw me holding her child. She messaged me to say I was not to do that and I said you can't ban me because your kid is often at MILs and I go there. She said she could!

They had a 2nd kid. I made the move to get us all taking again. We went to the christening (partner not asked to be godfather this time even though we're speaking, hmm). They planned their wedding and we read about it 5 weeks before on Facebook. I told her that was kinda rude not to wait till we'd been told in person and it all kicked off again. They'd organised it quick as her father had terminal cancer, but we found out from the best man he knew about it 4 months before. My boyfriend had booked a £500 holiday with friends on the wedding day (wouldn't have if he'd been in the loop). He's have cancelled but we felt so uninvolved/uninformed. Then she had her hen do and invited all girls in the family but me. My boyfriend decided they will never treat us with respect so we didn't go.

Some months later her dad died and I made the first move again and baked her brownies. For 2 years, finally, it seemed we'd put the past behind. We had more barbecues as a family. We even went to their house for some. We played with their kids (we've always bought them Xmas/birthday presents). We weren't best friends but we could chat pleasantly at gatherings. I found out her hubby's friend said to my boyfriend in the pub, 'how come you don't do anything with your nieces, I take them out more than you do!' Clearly slagging us off! Fuming but I kept offering to take them out. She kept saying yes ok but it never happened.

Then, just before Xmas, my partner asked his brother if we could start taking his nieces (now 4 and 2) on days out. The bro said yes and a trip to the park was arranged. Then the sister in law blocked it. We can't ever win! I asked her why and she said she didn't trust us with her kids! I told her how insulting. My partner and I babysat all his sisters kids (my partner is a bit older than me, mid 40s!). She also posted a passive aggressive picture post on Twitter that same day saying "I'm a mother and I will do ANYTHING to protect my children and nothing will stop that". She denied to the rest of family that was aimed at us. My boyfriend is fuming. Protect implies we're a danger!

Then we bumped into them leaving the in-laws as they came in. We all said hi except her. She blanked us completely. Then Xmas came. Again we were the bigger people and bought them all presents. The MIL passed them on. We didn't even get a card back. I saw my bro in law in a shop and he virtually ignored me and a message from me about chipping in for his mums surprise 70th birthday weekend away wasn't replied to.

We've just had enough of this. We told his brother the day we asked about the park trip, that we planned to adopt this summer and we said it would be nice for our future kids, and his kids, as cousins to play together and we told him social services would analyse our family set up and want to meet everyone. He asked for his "support" (I.e. No drama) and he said yes. Now this. Gee that girl likes go kick me when I'm down or stick the boot in at a key time like this!!!

What I'm even more upset by is my mother in law's reaction. I'd detected a long time ago that she was siding with them (as the SIL once told me). Just a subtle tone and the fact she was always defending her. (E.g It was in black and white her banning me from being around her kid but MIL said I'd misunderstood). We're getting married in 6 months and I wrote them the sis and bro-in-law a letter to say we'd like then to be part of it, and we're adopting too, but we need an apology and to be treated with more respect. I also acknowledged we should have gone to their wedding. No reply.

The MIL said she felt awful passing on the letter, but a few weeks before had no qualms ringing up her son, my boyfriend, to say it's a good idea if we spend time around nieces supervised with her to start off with! She reckons SIL is just being 'overprotective' not nasty and we just need to gain her trust. I pointed out she's told me via FB "forget it (seeing the kids) after all the crap we've had from you its never going to happen. Then MIL blurted out 'well look who started this'!!!!!!!!!! She also said SIL said (like it was gospel) she saw my at the shops and waived at me but I blanked her (total lie, she is blanking me, grr! Why can't she see she's manipulating her to pretend she's sweetness and light!!)

My partner stormed out, mad. I went to but she burst out crying, sobbing about how she's stuck in the middle. I was fuming but hugged her! But since I've been too mad to speak and 2 months have gone by. My boyfriend has been to see her on his own and I've asked for her not to call round/the house while I'm still mad about what she said. No apology.

Another thing we noticed. She used to pop in to see my elderly gran (my only family) say once a fortnight and that stopped abruptly 6 months ago. It's like we're being shut out. My boyfriend said this to her and she went to see her since I've not been speaking to her her (still mad though!).

Then she's promised to bake a pie for my boyfriends bday last week. She forgot and he had had to remind her a week later (again, doesn't feel focussed on us). Then she baked it straight away and said he could collect it but his bro and the kids go round every Sunday so my partner said he'd come round after when his bro had gone. Then she huffed and slammed the phone down on him! Like its his fault he feels so uncomfortable!!

I am FUMING. This latest trouble is clearly one person's fault - the sister in law and the mum has her blinkers on. Why? There's only one explanation - she's provided her with two grandkids who she dotes on and we haven't (we can't have kids naturally). It presses so many of my buttons. The trouble caused when we're adopting, that we have less power as were childless (feels like she can get away with murder), that SIL has spoilt so many family gatherings for us (when this is the only family I have). Now MIL has turned on us, we have no other grandparents to rely on. It's not enough with SIL that we don't get on and we could just tolerate each other, she has to poison all relationships, between two brothers, son and mum, me and bro in law, U.S. and our nieces, our future kids will have NO cousins at all. She's obsessed with making out we don't do anything for her kids but truth is we're not allowed and she won't admit that to MIL!!

I'm so angry and I'm shouting at my partner that his mum is banned from our wedding. He agrees and feels so let down but doesn't want to go all guns blazing. I'm just so depressed that this feels like the stress caused by her goes on forever and we can't escape it.

Sorry this is so long, you know when you need a rant! Any advice please?

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Adarajames · 04/05/2015 14:05

You sound like you've got stuck at the self centred teenager part of life op, you need to grow up and deal with things in a mature and adult way, especially if you want to be approved to adopt, Id certainly hope they'd expect you to get some counselling and grow up before they placed a child with you, you'll have to face so many other people who wouldn't do everything your way, can only imagine you'd be a nightmare at the school gate if someone did something you took offense to!

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alwaysstaytoolong · 04/05/2015 14:15

This isn't just about being hot headed, it's above being completely self - absorbed, insightless and refusing to take responsibilty for your behaviour.

If this wasn't such a sad situation I'd piss myself laughing at how many times you said 'I/we was the bigger person/people then giving an example of the smallest, petty behaviour!.

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mynewpassion · 04/05/2015 14:16

I'm sure you could write a book about your SIL and your dealings with her but it the end result will be to either ignore her and not let her get to you anymore or continue battling a losing situation where no one wins.

minimal contact and makeup with your MIL.

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sugarlips2015 · 04/05/2015 14:35

Hissy:


As it stand OP, you are the very last person that should be able to adopt. You are not ready for that level of responsibility

How dare you. Please don't ever become a social worker. You cannot judge my fitness to be a mother from one post and having met me. You need to grow up!

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sugarlips2015 · 04/05/2015 14:40

Adara, I wouldn't be a 'nightmare at the gates'. I've never fallen out with anyone else in my life as it goes . This woman has tormented me!

This problem doesn't define me. This is one aspect. I have lots and lots to offer a child. I've been a loving carer for my nan for the past 20 years etc and you lot don't know any of that so can't judhe me on my suitability to care for children!

Thankalways always for laughing at me. Gee this isn't really a nice supportive place.

To be honest, I think a lot of people replying should take a look at the nastiness in themselves. I came here because I felt ganged up on in my family and I have little family myself. I admit my own shortcomings yet people have torn me apart, even told me I shouldn't be allowed to adopt which is disgraceful.But you always get your keyboard warriors I guess. You wouldn't say half of this stuff to someone's face I bet!

Right I'm signing off now this place is horrid.

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Phoenix0x0 · 04/05/2015 14:50

sugar

I have already posted upthread already.

It's good that you have acknowledged that you have been at fault too.

But ask yourself this, how will you explain the breakdown of your relationship with DP's family to the SW during your homestudy.

If you were to describe the situation as you have above. Then you may encounter some issues.....

A SW job during homestudy is to evaluate your ability to a) parent but to also b) handle the pressure that will come at parenting a traumatised child and c) if the child will bring up some issues within your own life that have not been dealt with (secondary trauma is common amongst adopters).

Just saying.

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Hissy · 04/05/2015 14:52

Don't you dare threaten me, how dare YOU. Who do you think you are? WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!!

I can see from here that you are fuelling the 'feud' that you instigated from having your nose put out of joint. The problem here is at least 50% you. If I can see how unhinged this all is, so can everyone else, and you really do need to grow up yourself and see this. You are not going to be able to provide a safe and stable environment for a child.

You only want to hear you're right.

Well you aren't right. Not by a long shot.

Cop yourself on. Think about what you are doing, and what you can offer, right now, it's nothing but trouble and poison.

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sugarlips2015 · 04/05/2015 15:01

How did I threaten you Hissy?!

I've admitted in the past I've been hotheaded and apologised profusely. The abuse on her part has continued. I'm not sure you've read my post properly. I admit it was too long.

You've no right to judge that I can't provide a safe and stable environment. Nasty person.

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sugarlips2015 · 04/05/2015 15:05

Thanks Phoenix, all good points for me to consider. I have been considering for a long time what I could give to a child and I'm confident I'd be a great mother. I've made mistakes and I'm sure we all have.

Right, well this hasn't been as supportive as I imagined so I really am going to sign off now.

I take on board that I've allowed myself to absorb the negativity and I'm going to work on letting that go. Because I have a lot to offer children.
I've decided to make up with MIL and appreciate she's stuck in the position but will ask her to respect we need to step away from SIL and the brother for our health and sanity.

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Hidingmyidentity · 04/05/2015 15:09

Sugarlips, just make up with your MIL & leave it at that. You keep saying you are the bigger person so show some self awareness & drop the jibes against your SIL.

There is a family at the heart of all this & I bet they can't believe the nightmare behaviour that is going on around them.

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Chippednailvarnish · 04/05/2015 15:25

Right I'm signing off now this place is horrid

Mmmm, I'm pretty sure it's you OP.

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alwaysstaytoolong · 04/05/2015 15:26

I said IF it wasn't such a sad situation I'd be laughing at how lacking in self awareness you are. But it is a sad situation because you're splitting up a family (not saying it's all your fault but a lot of it is).

You're proving with each of your updates that you are unwilling to look at your behaviour and just jump to say it's people bullying you, being horrid etc. Placing yourself as the victim in every scenario.

That it's not you at fault and that life would be just rosy if everyone treated you as YOU demand they do, regardless of how you treat them. Going so far as to PM a complete stranger because you are so incensed that they dare to say something you don't like.

If you were my husbands SIL I would find it really hard to forgive you for keeping his family apart on his wedding day over something so petty. It's not all about you all the time you know, being the bigger person would mean putting aside your nonsense for one day for the sake of many more people - a whole family.

If people who don't know you are thinking you might be in the wrong on the information YOU have given them then maybe you are in the wrong and it's not that every one gangs up on you.

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Kewcumber · 04/05/2015 15:46

If you had behaved with a bit of dignity then what people would notice is her behaviour, as it is you've allowed yourself to be dragged into it and are now behaving every bit as badly and perhaps worse than she ever did.

You didn't go to her wedding, she probably hasn't forgiven you for that and can't believe that you have the gall to ask her for an apology before you get invited to hers?! Not gonna happen in her lifetime or at least any time soon. To even consider not inviting your partners mum to his wedding because you think she might support your SIL is a very serious indication of not very screwed on thinking.

Adoption is parenting plus quite a lot of the time. You have to deal with endless stranger giving you totally inappropriate advice on how to handle your child when they're kicking off and deal with explaining to your family why they can't come and have a cuddle with your new child without totally pissing everyone off - and that doesn't even take into account what your child might be dealing with that takes just that little bit more patience and graciousness than you ever realised that you possessed.

Stop interpreting every comment on facebook and every small thing your future MIL does as a slight and look at yourself and why you can't let your SIL behave as badly as she likes without joining her in the mud.

And SS won't expect to meet your whole family on both sides. Most likely they will just interview your referees. I'm kinda guessing that SIL won't be a referee.

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Adarajames · 04/05/2015 15:54

Your stroppy teenager style of ranting replies to people that don't agree with your assessment of the situation, just back up what the majority of replies have said your level of maturity or rather lack thereof!

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Roussette · 04/05/2015 16:05

If you had behaved with a bit of dignity then what people would notice is her behaviour, as it is you've allowed yourself to be dragged into it and are now behaving every bit as badly and perhaps worse than she ever did.

^^ This. I've found that people that behave appallingly tend to dig a big enough hole for themselves, without any help from me and - although it may time time - show themselves in their true colours if you let them get on with it. By that, OP, I mean - if you can take one bit of advice - leave your SIL alone, don't engage unless its pleasantries, don't retaliate, no tit for tat and in time your MIL may well see her for what she is and you will show yourself up in a far far better light.

But, at the moment, the waters are muddied by both of you being as bad as each other. Support your MIL, don't discuss reasons as to why you are distancing yourself from SIL because by doing so you are inviting comment and just dragging her into it.

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Roussette · 04/05/2015 16:06

*although it may take time.

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sugarlips2015 · 04/05/2015 16:19

Thanks Rousette. It's fair to say I do feel I've let myself down in my reactions. But in my defence, believe me, if anyone else had just had news that you've got a generally progressive brain disease then someone attacks you, it's hard to be all smiles and take a rise above it attitude when you realise there's someone joined your family who gets a thrill in kicking you when you're down.

I have been taken aback by some of the replies (some have been downright nasty and personal attacks on my ability to adopt). After all, they have behaved very negatively this xmas and we were trying very hard to not take the bait but they kept on going.

But I do take away the point that I have a duty to limit the damage and stop reacting. You can't control other people's behaviour and you can only control your reaction. I know I can do better than this.

I will make up with the MIL. I've only stayed out of her way and not showed any reaction to her so I'm sure we can move forward. But she shouldn't be getting stroppy with my partner because we've decided to keep away from SIL/BIL. She has to accept we have a right to protect ourselves and remove ourselves from her behaviour.

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diddl · 04/05/2015 16:28

I think it's great that you will try again with MIL.

Best thing if there is a family get together, just go & make sure that you aren't left alone with SIL!

MIL can't force you to get on, but expecting everyone to behave like adults should be possible.

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RandomMess · 04/05/2015 16:36

I suggest unfollowing them on FB so can't see any of their unpleasantness. I would suggest your dh does offer, again, to take their dc out - if SIL says no, that's her issue not yours.

SIL will eventually drop herself in it if she maintains such nastiness. I'm sorry to read how nasty she was about your dog dying truly awful behaviour.

I hope the adoption process goes well, I understand it can be long & painful with no guarantees.

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sugarlips2015 · 04/05/2015 16:37

Thanks diddl. I'm not sure about being around SIL anymore. We'd got to that stage for two years when I thought we'd reached a mutual understanding that it was bets for everyone if we put aside the blame game and were civil.

That was the plan. What's tipped things over is that we've heard her after two years of peace, we started to step up that effort with an offer to take the kids out. People say saying it's natural for her to not want the kids to have anything to do with us and that's her right. Perhaps it is. But she's not upfront about that. She constantly plays the blame game that we don't make the effort but when we do it's thrown right back in our face. Leaves us not knowing how to react, do we stand back completely and wash out hands or do we carry on buying them presents and play with them at the MILs? (Bearing in mind I've been reprimanded in the past for holding her child when we were't speaking, but the MIL passes the baby to me!).

I'm sorry if I'm getting my back up when people are criticising me. I'm open to constructive criticism about how I'm handling the resentment etc but the replies making out I've brought all this on are ridiculous. My SIL is clearly horrible to me!

I a doing some reading about resentment and this makes sense:

We cling to a futile need to be "right," which overrides the capacity to heal and be at peace with ourselves. We hang on to perceived offences because we don't know any other way of coming to grips with painful feelings of hurt, rejection, and abandonment. We need to learn to let go of resentment, because living with it can only bring us chronic punishment and pain, and prevent us from building up other relationships based on love, nurture, and support. Letting go of a resentment is not a gift to the person you resent. It is, rather, a gift to yourself.

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RandomMess · 04/05/2015 16:42

Just continue you treat SILs DC as equals to all other nieces & nephews because they are innocent in all of this.

Yep learning to deal with the hurt & resentment is difficult, hope you get there soon.

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mynewpassion · 04/05/2015 16:47

That's the right way forward, OP.

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Waltermittythesequel · 04/05/2015 16:54

You're not just 'reacting' to stuff.

You're being a right nasty fucker on your own from my reading.

Sounds like you feel like you've had to share your spot in this family with SIL. She's just as important as you. They're not actually your family.

I don't think you should adopt right now either, to be perfectly honest.

You sound immature, aggressive and I'm sorry to say, a little unhinged.

Give yourself a couple of years to grow up a bit.

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Nellagain · 04/05/2015 16:56

You are as bad as each other. It very much sound slime clash personality to me. Sorry I kkow you didn't want to hear that.

We have similar in our family except that we are the bystanders whilst others botch at each demand respect blah blah.
We are all sick to death of hearing about it and watching the drama. Cba would Sum up everyone else's feelings on the subject.

My advice. ..stop apologising stop discussing it stop taking offence, move on with dignity and that involves being in the same room as each other without high drama. instead of Your feelings try to think about your dp's poor parents in all of this.

Yes you probably will have to let a few comments ride for sometime. So what.

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Roussette · 04/05/2015 16:59

Sugar your SIL is not clearly horrible to you. It is your perception that she is but if you are going to try and repair this situation in any way with that fixed in your head, THERE IS NO HOPE.
Look... my DBro is a bit of a twat at times, he wants help with a family matter but won't take it from me when I offer. I calmly tell him that I'm here to help if he needs it, then I withdraw. I don't then keep banging on about it to anyone who will listen that he wants my help but is rejecting it because family is important to me and I don't want to fall out.

Perhaps she just doesn't want you to have the kids, perhaps she's changed her mind, perhaps she feels awkward about it - who knows. Your last para sums it up - be the bigger person.

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