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Family feud stressing me out!!

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sugarlips2015 · 04/05/2015 01:32

Hi

I don't have children (a sore point, very much a factor in this story) but I know this is an active forum. I'd appreciate any advice about how to deal with the sister in law from hell and the way she's poisoning family relations.

I've been with my partner for 17 years. For the 1st 10 years I had a great relationship with his close knit family of mum, dad, two sisters and a brother. I have nearly no immediate family so the upset in this dynamic had hit me hard...

When his brother met his now wife relations went down hill within a a few months. Initially, I got cross with her and we had words when she cancelled plans we had with them for the EIGHT time. I'm talking her texting me last min as I'm stepping into a taxi to pick her up. The final time when I told her she was rude was when they were supposed to come visit me when I'd moved away for work, they text, last min, with conflicting excuses and she said 'well why would we want to drive 150 miles to see you when we work hard all week?'. Charming!

A few months went by and Xmas came. A week before I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis aged just 26 which she'd been told about by MIL. We had both told our MIL that we wanted to forget about the words we'd had. But she didn't. She had our in laws visiting two pubs opposite each other on Xmas eve to see their sons separate (she was 5 months pregnant by then and said she it was too much for her to cross the road!!!). Then I got an FB message on Boxing Day calling me a 'sh&t stirrer' keeping the brothers apart because we went to the inlaws in the afternoon (we do every year) and they went round in the evening. I said how dare she attack me when I've just had bad news. She said 'we all have health scares I had precancerous cervical cells but I don't harp on about it!)

A few days later I messaged my bro in law/her boyf to say happy birthday then realised I'd been blocked from his FB. I emailed him and he admitted it was her but he'll stand by her. I called him gutless and told him where to go. I was so upset that people in my family could kick me when I was down and feeling vulnerable right after the bad news I'd had. My boyfriend refused to say anything to his brother, I felt bullied while I was ill - deep down that caused resentment between us.

Right I'll try summarise the following 8 years! ... The two brothers barely saw each other anymore. I'd asked for an apology and she said she had nothing to apologise for. Bizarrely I thought (I felt it was a set up) they asked my boyf to be godfather when first kid was born but as we weren't speaking and we felt she should apologise we never went to the christening. Perhaps we should have but I was hurt over the previous Xmas.

I tried to get along with she did nothing to help me warm to her. For her kid's 1st bday my partner went and I passed on my apologies for not going (I was in work 150 miles away) but bought a present. She sent messages me an attack to say my boyfriend could only be bothered to come for an hour and I could couldn't be bothered at all (charming, you're welcome for the present!). This became a reoccurring theme and we were regularly accused of not making the effort with the kids (that we didn't pop round to see the kids and how nasty she is to us was obviously connected!)

Over the next 4 years or so, we largely didn't speak and the parties/gatherings in this once close knit family grew fewer. One time, on my suggestion, we met up and myself, my partner, his brother all apologised and we'd have moved on but she refused and said her boyfriend had nothing to apologise for either, so another year went by not talking (then they'd moved in opposite us!!). She shouted after us that the whole family inc MIL was on her side!!! Soon after, she came into our MIL's house and she saw me holding her child. She messaged me to say I was not to do that and I said you can't ban me because your kid is often at MILs and I go there. She said she could!

They had a 2nd kid. I made the move to get us all taking again. We went to the christening (partner not asked to be godfather this time even though we're speaking, hmm). They planned their wedding and we read about it 5 weeks before on Facebook. I told her that was kinda rude not to wait till we'd been told in person and it all kicked off again. They'd organised it quick as her father had terminal cancer, but we found out from the best man he knew about it 4 months before. My boyfriend had booked a £500 holiday with friends on the wedding day (wouldn't have if he'd been in the loop). He's have cancelled but we felt so uninvolved/uninformed. Then she had her hen do and invited all girls in the family but me. My boyfriend decided they will never treat us with respect so we didn't go.

Some months later her dad died and I made the first move again and baked her brownies. For 2 years, finally, it seemed we'd put the past behind. We had more barbecues as a family. We even went to their house for some. We played with their kids (we've always bought them Xmas/birthday presents). We weren't best friends but we could chat pleasantly at gatherings. I found out her hubby's friend said to my boyfriend in the pub, 'how come you don't do anything with your nieces, I take them out more than you do!' Clearly slagging us off! Fuming but I kept offering to take them out. She kept saying yes ok but it never happened.

Then, just before Xmas, my partner asked his brother if we could start taking his nieces (now 4 and 2) on days out. The bro said yes and a trip to the park was arranged. Then the sister in law blocked it. We can't ever win! I asked her why and she said she didn't trust us with her kids! I told her how insulting. My partner and I babysat all his sisters kids (my partner is a bit older than me, mid 40s!). She also posted a passive aggressive picture post on Twitter that same day saying "I'm a mother and I will do ANYTHING to protect my children and nothing will stop that". She denied to the rest of family that was aimed at us. My boyfriend is fuming. Protect implies we're a danger!

Then we bumped into them leaving the in-laws as they came in. We all said hi except her. She blanked us completely. Then Xmas came. Again we were the bigger people and bought them all presents. The MIL passed them on. We didn't even get a card back. I saw my bro in law in a shop and he virtually ignored me and a message from me about chipping in for his mums surprise 70th birthday weekend away wasn't replied to.

We've just had enough of this. We told his brother the day we asked about the park trip, that we planned to adopt this summer and we said it would be nice for our future kids, and his kids, as cousins to play together and we told him social services would analyse our family set up and want to meet everyone. He asked for his "support" (I.e. No drama) and he said yes. Now this. Gee that girl likes go kick me when I'm down or stick the boot in at a key time like this!!!

What I'm even more upset by is my mother in law's reaction. I'd detected a long time ago that she was siding with them (as the SIL once told me). Just a subtle tone and the fact she was always defending her. (E.g It was in black and white her banning me from being around her kid but MIL said I'd misunderstood). We're getting married in 6 months and I wrote them the sis and bro-in-law a letter to say we'd like then to be part of it, and we're adopting too, but we need an apology and to be treated with more respect. I also acknowledged we should have gone to their wedding. No reply.

The MIL said she felt awful passing on the letter, but a few weeks before had no qualms ringing up her son, my boyfriend, to say it's a good idea if we spend time around nieces supervised with her to start off with! She reckons SIL is just being 'overprotective' not nasty and we just need to gain her trust. I pointed out she's told me via FB "forget it (seeing the kids) after all the crap we've had from you its never going to happen. Then MIL blurted out 'well look who started this'!!!!!!!!!! She also said SIL said (like it was gospel) she saw my at the shops and waived at me but I blanked her (total lie, she is blanking me, grr! Why can't she see she's manipulating her to pretend she's sweetness and light!!)

My partner stormed out, mad. I went to but she burst out crying, sobbing about how she's stuck in the middle. I was fuming but hugged her! But since I've been too mad to speak and 2 months have gone by. My boyfriend has been to see her on his own and I've asked for her not to call round/the house while I'm still mad about what she said. No apology.

Another thing we noticed. She used to pop in to see my elderly gran (my only family) say once a fortnight and that stopped abruptly 6 months ago. It's like we're being shut out. My boyfriend said this to her and she went to see her since I've not been speaking to her her (still mad though!).

Then she's promised to bake a pie for my boyfriends bday last week. She forgot and he had had to remind her a week later (again, doesn't feel focussed on us). Then she baked it straight away and said he could collect it but his bro and the kids go round every Sunday so my partner said he'd come round after when his bro had gone. Then she huffed and slammed the phone down on him! Like its his fault he feels so uncomfortable!!

I am FUMING. This latest trouble is clearly one person's fault - the sister in law and the mum has her blinkers on. Why? There's only one explanation - she's provided her with two grandkids who she dotes on and we haven't (we can't have kids naturally). It presses so many of my buttons. The trouble caused when we're adopting, that we have less power as were childless (feels like she can get away with murder), that SIL has spoilt so many family gatherings for us (when this is the only family I have). Now MIL has turned on us, we have no other grandparents to rely on. It's not enough with SIL that we don't get on and we could just tolerate each other, she has to poison all relationships, between two brothers, son and mum, me and bro in law, U.S. and our nieces, our future kids will have NO cousins at all. She's obsessed with making out we don't do anything for her kids but truth is we're not allowed and she won't admit that to MIL!!

I'm so angry and I'm shouting at my partner that his mum is banned from our wedding. He agrees and feels so let down but doesn't want to go all guns blazing. I'm just so depressed that this feels like the stress caused by her goes on forever and we can't escape it.

Sorry this is so long, you know when you need a rant! Any advice please?

OP posts:
diddl · 04/05/2015 09:51

Can't believe that you're thinking of not inviting your partners mum to the wedding.

I should imagine she's getting huffy as she's sick of the whole damn thing.

Your partner can't collect a pie as his brother will be there!

That really is ridiculous.

Invite her to the wedding & then stop stewing over everything.

Encourage the brothers to stop acting like kids & avoiding each other.

If family is so important to you, why are you so keen on tearing this one apart?

Chippednailvarnish · 04/05/2015 09:58

You need some counseling, if you go into the adoption process without resolving your underlying anger, you're not going to get very far.

pictish · 04/05/2015 09:58

I'm another here who agrees it's likely six of one and half a dozen of the other. You and sil are both competing for the top spot.

I feel sorry for your dh, pil and bil. They are caught in the crossfire of this (really quite inexplicable) shit storm. And it's been going on for years.

I can tell how much this situation is distressing you OP - I know you think you're in the right and I can even see why - your sil didn't pull any punches in letting you know where she stands when it comes to making the effort. However, the ensuing problems seem to have come from your refusal to accept that she has the right to feel as she does, along with your dogged belief that she owes you an apology and a relationship. So much so, that when you are presented with the evidence of the toll it is taking on your mil by way of her breaking down, you decide to behave every bit as badly as your sil would and ban your poor mil from your house because you want an apology from her as well!

You have actively participated in all of this. Any moral high ground you might have held to begin with was long lost in the following years of tit for bloody tat, petty squabbles, political manoeuvring and shit slinging executed equally by both of you.

Now you're on a par with your stupid, spiteful sil. So my advice? Forget her. Just forget her. Maintain a cheerful relationship with everyone, even when the bloody woman is there...and be happy.

Seriously...click your fingers and be done with it. This has no bearing on the adoption process as other people have told you....and all the very best of luck with that. x

Only1scoop · 04/05/2015 09:59

I don't think that poster said that....Hmm

Unless you Pm more than one

Anyway it doesn't matter it's a public forum and to be honest you are really showing your true colours on here. That's a stranger....Can only imagine the 'telling offs' you have given to those around you.

NotDavidTennant · 04/05/2015 10:05

I gave up on this half way through.

Your SIL sounds like a bit of a cow, but you seem to kick off at the slightest provocation, so you don't have much of the moral high ground here.

I think you need to learn the art of smiling through gritted teeth and not rising to the things she does.

pictish · 04/05/2015 10:08

I think the real problem here is that you are overbearing and hot-headed, while your sil is manipulative and callous. You have utterly utterly clashed.

SycamoreMum · 04/05/2015 10:21

OP you sound like you have my type of temper and you rehash arguments in your head. I'm doing this a lot recently and I have a nasty temper too.

My mother told me to just step away from everything. Step away and keep your cool. My father had a stroke and his bitch of a sister was constantly egging me and my sisters on. It came down to me actually threatening her that I realised how petty and silly this was getting.

You just have to stop and continue doing what your doing. Adopting a child is huge and you need to be 100% sound and focus good energy on bringing a child into your lives. That alone should make you over joyed! Forget your SIL and PIL.

Sending you a hug Smile

MrsBlobby64 · 04/05/2015 10:28

As the words of a very annoying Disney song go - 'Let it goooo, let it goooo!'

cece · 04/05/2015 10:39

I believe Jeremy Kyle is good at sorting out these sort of problems...

Roussette · 04/05/2015 10:46

My goodness me - if this were my kids and DILs, I would be beside myself with their pathetic squabbles, and I would move to the far side of the world and let you all get on with your bickering.

Step awy from FB. It is doing you no good. If your SIL were to post on here, she would have just as much to say about you, no doubt, you are both as bad as each other.

I could honestly not be arsed to spend so much time and brain power rowing like this over years and years, why?

There is nothing worse than someone who is demanding apologies the whole time. 'Sorry' is just a word and even if your SIL says it (she won't BTW, she sounds as bonkers about all of this as you) she won't mean it.

Why participate and engage in all this crap? Be the bigger person, step back, cool it, get a life, concentrate on your adoption.

We all have family we perhaps don't get on with so well but why do you have to get so emotionally invested and involved? My siblings drive me bonkers at times but I value the importance of them over petty, stupid, pathetic bickering, which is what you are doing.

Step back.

forumdonkey · 04/05/2015 10:55

Sorry OP but you are hard work and a massive part of your own problem. Sending letters via your poor MIL, demanding apologies, telling people they are rude and the list goes on. I'd be fucked off if someone felt the need to message and tell me I was rude and to boot I'd block on FB too. Your BF is asked to godfather (an olive branch by them???) but you refuse to attend because you are so offended you haven't received the apology you demanded and then wonder why he's not asked again?? Jeez I'm glad you are not my SIL

My advice, get your self centered head out of your arse get on with your own life and leave them to get on with theirs in peace without the need to tell them their failings, either via email, FB, letters or texts. Oh and be a good DIL and leave your MIL out of your petty dramas - poor woman

ememem84 · 04/05/2015 11:01

Agree. Just let it go.

You seem to be intent on tearing your perfect family apart.

There appears to be fault in both side. So apologise for the hurt your caused. And move on. If you don't get an apology back leave it. Move on.

forumdonkey · 04/05/2015 11:18

I'd also be wary of letting someone who is confrontational with their opinions of me take my children for the day too. I'd be fearful of them voicing their opinions infront or to my children. Sorry OP, but when you adopt you will realise this when it's your own child

coolaschmoola · 04/05/2015 12:09

You pm'd me, and I most certainly did NOT say anything about children. Not once. I said you sound like a nightmare because, actually, you do.

To then pm me telling me 'the old adage if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all' amongst other supercilious assertions just served to prove it.

I can see why your SIL doesn't want anything to do with you. You've been arrogant and patronising to me, sneakily behind the thread and then LIED about why on here. Sly and manipulative...

As I said, nightmare.

Only1scoop · 04/05/2015 12:16

I didn't think you had cool I was confused by Op response

Maybe you will get an apology Wink

coolaschmoola · 04/05/2015 12:17
Grin
SilverBirch2015 · 04/05/2015 12:42

From your excessive long and hard to follow post, it does sound as if you were originally put out by the potential of a new DIL on the scene. Understandably her producing children when you were unable to must be pretty painful for you.

But you do sound like you are very quick at reacting to imagined slights and need to work on managing anger and difficult personal relationships.

Please do not PM me. This is shocking behaviour.

forumdonkey · 04/05/2015 12:56

Why don't you demand an apology Cool Wink Its a bit ironic being told 'if you can't say anything nice' because OP can't take her own advice Grin

sugarlips2015 · 04/05/2015 13:00

I think the real problem here is that you are overbearing and hot-headed, while your sil is manipulative and callous. You have utterly utterly clashed.

pic - totally true,hit the nail on the head!! I can see why people are pointing out I'm not blameless. I totally agree and I know the role I've played in this. And I've apologised in the past.

Coolas - I can't be bothered re-reading to see exactly but I think confused your attack with someone else's so apologies. Someone else said I'm not "the type"of person they'd allow around their child.

I'm just surprised at the reactions saying I should apologise and I'm hell bent on tearing this family apart. I've always made the moves to reconcile and we've spent the last two years tip toeing around her. What's happened to kick it all off this time is in no way my fault and purely hers because SHE can't let it go. My boyfriend made plans with his bro to take his kids the park and she blocked it and got nasty (not just said no, but started putting up passive aggressive posts on the internet!).

I've struggled to just move on because she manipulates the MIL. Like barging past us ignoring us then just days later she tells MIL she waved at me and I didn't smile back.

But I need to rise above it and gona get some 'let it go' type self help books! Thanks again for the feedback everyone.

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Roussette · 04/05/2015 13:15

Good. I think you need to take a step back and look at all you've written and realise how petty it all sounds. "she said, he said, she did this, I did this, blah blah".

I'm sure there are faults on both sides but it just sounds totally and utterly exchausting. The two of you clash. End of. How you deal with that clash of personalities is what's important - if it means you lose ground and lose face, fine, let that happen. At least there will be some peace. Sometimes I've felt aggrieved but just given in for the quiet life and then I refuse to harbour resentment about that because life is too short. You both need to rise above it somehow, easier said than done of course.

Just think of your MIL in the middle of this.

diddl · 04/05/2015 13:21

But your reconciliation attempts seem to come with conditions.

You don't get on, but that shouldn't mean that ILs can't have their sons & DILs in the same room.

sugarlips2015 · 04/05/2015 13:22

You're right Rousette, there's a lot of tit for tat and it is exhausting. That's why two years ago I made the decision to rise above it. But she's reignited it all again. I learnt how to grit my teeth and be around someone I didn't like 2 years ago but now I'm honestly struggling to figure out how to keep doing that when she keeps sticking the boot in and the MIL thinks the sun shines out of her bum even when she's been the one kicking off.

The answer is to rise above again and keep out of their way. But it's hard to know how to with the MIL when she doesn't respect we need to keep our distance from them for our health and sanity. It's like we're expected to take this crap from them again and again and we're expected to keep smiling all the time. I don't think anyone would put up with that, even if they're not as hotheaded as me!

OP posts:
sugarlips2015 · 04/05/2015 13:30

diddl Our conditions are simply to be treated with respect. If she didn't want us around her kids because she doesn't like us then that's her right but she should say so straight. Instead she posts nasty passive aggressive posts online.

There's SO much I didn't post here too. I've seen her post stuff online having a pop at her own uncle along very similar lines about him not making an effort with her kids.

Oh and there's the time her and her friend trolled around hysterically when I said I'd just come home from working away to find out we'd 'lost' our dog of 18 years (i.e. died). They said I should put up posters and I explained I meant she'd died and they said we know and burst out laughing. This is the kind of person she is, believe me I put up with so much and bit my tongue!

Anyway in the spirit of letting go I'm not checking in on this post anymore. Thanks again for the feedback.

OP posts:
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Roussette · 04/05/2015 13:52

Wanting to be "treated with respect" just sounds like someone talking on the Oprah Winfrey show or Ricki Lake or whatever (those who are as old as me will know what I'm talking about. An American version of Jeremy Kyle with guests going on and on "she was disrespectful to me, I need respect"). Meaningless words that have no bearing in this situation. It's like demanding apologies. It's just WORDS. You can't demand people do things because it gets people's backs up and they won't do it anyway if it's demanded of them.