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DP is too strict and grumpy with my dc

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dalmatianmad · 19/04/2015 10:16

Hello all, after some much needed advice!
Been with Dp for 4 years, my dc are 14 and 11 and have little contact with their own dad due to previous DV.
Dp is a brilliant partner, he is brilliant around the house, cleans, shops, washes and irons.....
We get on really well, he is reliable and supportive all the time.
I work long shifts as a nurse and he changes his shifts to have my dc.
However, he struggles to relax around them, he is so uptight and constantly on their backs, it's driving me insane.
I appreciate that I'm too laid back but he can't see the funny side to anything, he never has fun with them.
We had very different upbringing, his parents were older and very strict so I think this is a massive part of it.
He has 2 dc from his previous wife and he sees them weekly, pays regular maintenance etc
He's exactly the same with them!
No talking at dinner table
Straight out of uniform when you walk in from school
No lounging about in PJ'S at the weekend
Homework to be done ASAP or no TV
No snacking
Early bed time

I could go on and on! He's like a Sargent major!
My older dd is a typical stroppy teenager and to him him talk she's the worse kid in the world.....
arrrgh what do I do? I love him dearly, he's an excellent role model for my dc but I can't go like this.....
Any advice???

OP posts:
Penfold007 · 19/04/2015 10:56

Sounds like you and the children ignore him and you have little respect for his parenting style. If you both can't compromise then it's going to be tough to work through this. He does sound too inflexible.

tribpot · 19/04/2015 10:58

Did you move in with him rather than the other way around? I only ask because I think it affects the dynamic, although it shouldn't do.

You are a blended household and you need to agree a set of house rules, which apply to everyone - both your kids who live there all the time and his who are there part-time.

So the challenge is the compromise. I would insist on:

  • talking at the dinner table. Silence must make the meals weird and uncomfortable, not an association I would want with food.
  • PJs at the weekend

I would agree to:

  • uniform off as soon as you get back from school (sensible if tedious)
  • homework done first (although I don't really agree with this)

I would want to modify the no snacking rule to something like no snacking less than hour before mealtime or something. Early bedtime seems hard at their ages - does it mean go upstairs or actually go to sleep? And what is early?

Your parenting styles are too different to agree that you will parent your way and he will parent his. There needs to be some compromise in the middle.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 19/04/2015 11:00

"I'm coming to the point where I don't think the relationship will last, but he's such a good partner, I have lots of issues, anxiety related stuff due to
my previous relationship and he's so patient with me all the time".

What do you get out of this relationship with this man?. Not what he does in terms of cooking etc but your own emotional needs, what needs of yours does he meet here?.

A person can never act as a rescuer and or saviour in a relationship.
I think your ideas on what actually constitutes a good partner are well skewed, this has also happened as a result of your own previous relationship. I would also ask you what you learnt about relationships when growing up. Do you actually know what a mutually loving relationship is because this certainly is not it and your previous relationship was not either.

Your anxiety related stuff may well be linked to co-dependency which often arise in relationships where alcoholism features. This is something which your current bloke has also picked up on and has come to exploit in you. He uses your own anxiety based issues against you. You may on some level feel like you cannot be capable without this man in your life. This man fulfils some innate (perhaps codependent) needs of yours. Would suggest you read up on co-dependency and see how much of that fits in with you.

As for this part of your comment:-
"My dc really like him and get on well with him, is it just me that has issues"

Well you can believe that all you want (denial is also a powerful force) but the evidence in front of your eyes is contrary to that. HE does not get on well with them. I think your children will leave home asap if you were to choose to stay with this man. Your own relationship with them going forward could be irreparably harmed as well because they will view you as putting him before them.

I also think that HE has issues with your children and by turn you. He sees you as too laid back and over accommodating to them.

He is certainly not patient with your children and treats like they are in the army. I think you were targeted by this man and I do not think he is at all patient with you really. He certainly does not accept you all and I would think his acceptance is completely conditional.

You have basically gone from one previously poor relationship into yet another ultimately poor and unsatisfactory one where this time this man is emotionally backbiting your children. I am also not all that surprised to read such comments from your family and friends but they do not have to live with him day to day as you and your children have done. There are thousands of people out there who are not what they seem and people at work can put on a completely different persona to that at home. Abusers can and do appear very plausible to those in the outside world.

He ultimately therefore needs to leave and you need to get him out of your day to day lives.

If you have never done the Freedom Programme by Womens Aid, I would suggest you now do so along with in the longer term totally reassessing what you have learnt about relationships to date. I think as well that if you were to really lay down the law here about him and the way he treats your children he'd be off like a shot. He will accuse you of all sorts.

PeppermintCrayon · 19/04/2015 11:00

Thanks all, compared to my ex who was an alcoholic/had issues with drugs he is an excellent role model.

No, he's not. He's mediocre at best. The fact you describe yourself as 'too laidback' shows the toxic drip drip of thought poison. Your kids aren't happy.

juneau · 19/04/2015 11:03

maybe I feel as though I owe him something??

Right, there you have it. He helped you when you were beaten down, vulnerable and desperate. And now he's making your DC's lives a misery you feel you have to try and work it out, because you 'owe' him. You don't. You owe THEM, not him. You created them and both of these relationships were your choice. You say you put them first, but I'm afraid it doesn't sound like that. It sounds like you're him first.

juneau · 19/04/2015 11:03

putting him first

yearofthegoat · 19/04/2015 11:05

I grew up with silent mealtimes as my mother was moody or treading on eggshells and my father was always angry. It was hideous. I wanted to read a book at the table as there was no conversation but that wasn't allowed either.

The atmosphere in your house sounds similarly depressing. I couldn't live like that and wouldn't want that for my teens.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 19/04/2015 11:05

Dalmatianmad,

I was not at all surprised that you met this person when you were in a bad place yourself. This is how such men like your man now make their move. He has exploited your own anxieties to his own ends, you talk about "owing him something".

You ultimately got your own self away from your ex; not he. He may have provided you with some tools but YOU took the decision to get away from this man. You owe this current man precisely nothing.

If your DC are really your priority here you need to be without this man in your life.

You cannot make this relationship work on your own; it is his way only as far as he is concerned.

juneau · 19/04/2015 11:08

I think your children will leave home asap if you were to choose to stay with this man. Your own relationship with them going forward could be irreparably harmed as well because they will view you as putting him before them.

I agree with this too. I moved out of home at 18 to get away from my step-father and my relationship with my DM was irreparably damaged by her decision to stick with him, despite his abusiveness to us. She put her easy life first and us second and I've never forgotten that.

AGirlCalledBoB · 19/04/2015 11:11

I feel sorry for your kids to be honest, I would hate for my child to be barked at, feel they can't do anything right, have no fun at all.

Your oh sounds a right miserable awful man. I think you need to try and bring out some fun in here otherwise your kids will start to dislike him. Go out somewhere where he has to have fun and get involved?

Watch a silly film?

dalmatianmad · 19/04/2015 11:19

Thank you Laurie.

We parent so different, we've had conversations in which I've agreed to be more hands on and he's agreed to chill but it doesn't last.
I never back him up, to a certain extent my dc can do no wrong.
My daughter is very challenging and my son has OCD which is very difficult to live with...

I think I've accepted that this isn't going to work, my dc will always come first. I'm not afraid of being alone, I really enjoy our time together when Dp is at work, the house is so much more relaxed...
I know what I need to do.

OP posts:
Branleuse · 19/04/2015 11:20

I think you often have one parent stricter than the other. I dont think he sounds abusive or anything. He would probably benefit from chilling out a bit just as much as the boys would, and there are ways of encouraging this. Talk to him about what his worries are

Summertimeatlast · 19/04/2015 11:23

I think he sounds very controlling. He fusses around you and 'helps' and 'supports' you so that he becomes indispensable and you are indebted to him. He is actually not very nice at all and I would not be happy about him looking after my children when I wasn't there if I were you.

Quitelikely · 19/04/2015 11:24

I think he is a decent man.

Yes he and you have different parenting approaches.

You need to tell him the seriousness of the situation. Highlight that your ex put your children through hell and you need them to be in an environment where they feel they can fully express themselves, explain that when he is out the atmosphere is much more relaxed.

He has been attacked on here but don't believe everything you read!

Quitelikely · 19/04/2015 11:25

Helping and supporting someone does not mean they are controlling!

tribpot · 19/04/2015 11:25

He doesn't sound like the sort of parent that can cope with OCD or challenging behaviour. I wonder if your children would be better off in a less pressured environment? Could you live separately but continue the relationship?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 19/04/2015 11:26

Fundamentally Dalmatian this man and you are not on the same page. His ex wife likely left him for very much the same reasons as you describe now in your home.

I very much doubt he will leave at all willingly or quietly. It may be that ultimately you will also have to work completely separately to each other as well.

Psipsina · 19/04/2015 11:28

Good luck and yes you know what you need to do. I had a boyfriend who wanted to mess with my 'discipline' arrangements with ds1, when he was 3, and it sucked big time. It felt like 'choose between me and your kid' so I chose my kid.

Arsehole.

Hope you can manage to oust him asap

AttilaTheMeerkat · 19/04/2015 11:29

This goes far, far beyond different parenting approaches and OP feels somewhat obligated to this individual as well, that is how they got together. I feel that OPs partner has exploited that obligation within her to his own ends.

Her children not being able to talk at the dinner table whilst he sits in silence and she talks sounds utterly miserable. Is it also the same in your house, I daresay it is not.

dalmatianmad · 19/04/2015 12:14

This is my home, he has no claim on it whatsoever, I don't anticipate he will be difficult if we separate, he's very easy going with me, just not my children!

He knows how I feel, I think one last conversation to try and make things right, he is a really decent man but crap at parenting!
I don't feel like he "got me when I was vulnerable" and I do believe that without him I wouldn't have got out my previous relationship alive!
I know that sounds very dramatic, my ex was so so abusive, I had fractured ribs and a fractured jaw from my last assault....
My Dp was very protective of us throughout court and I do think we would have come to harm if he hadn't been on the scene.
Thanks all......

OP posts:
HowDoesThatWork · 19/04/2015 12:22

Just taking one point:

No talking at dinner table

I regard this as emotional abuse.

Talking at the table is a large part of what meals are about.

Peacocklady · 19/04/2015 12:37

Maybe you should try to sit down as a family and discuss rules together with reasons for/against certain things. Set an agreed time so everyone has chance to think about what they think would work best beforehand. It also means the children are more involved rather than being dictated to.
It sounds like your dp worries that if he gives an inch they'll take a mile and is probably (hopefully) trying to set them up with a good routine and work ethos. Does he want a dictatorship role or can he be more democratic? If he has agreed to chill out in the past, what exactly does that look like? A half an hour leeway on rules? Talking at the table but no getting up apart from fetching something?
Also, are the kids upset by him? Would splitting up the family be more disruptive for them than having to put up with him as it sounds like they're not in the least bit scared of him.
Does he shout at them?

LordEmsworth · 19/04/2015 12:52

Hang on - if your kids weren't there...

Would he insist that you sit and eat in silence? Or be in pyjamas at the weekend? Or occasionally eat when it's not a proper mealtime?

Why does he get to set rules that you don't want? How do either of you get anything positive from that approach?

NickiFury · 19/04/2015 13:04

The thought of sitting with my dc and insisting the meal is conducted entirely in silence actually makes me feel really angry and sad. He has no right whatsoever to impose such an unnecessary and stressful situation on your children and yourself.

overmydeadbody · 19/04/2015 13:06

Yes sitting and eating a meal in silence is horrible. Why does he insist on this? Meal times are an ideal time to catch up with teens, when else do you see them?