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So, DH is 40 and acting like a teenager (and not in a good way)

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StupidIdioticChildishPrick · 16/04/2015 12:59

Basically, I have just discovered by accident that DH is lying to me. It's not another woman (as far as I know, and I think it v unlikely), it's a desire to go and do fun things and not have me shout at him because I feel like he's not pulling his weight.

He is self-employed and I do his admin (I have another job too). I was looking in his work email for a purchase order when I came across something that looked like it was about rugby tickets. He has form for arranging to spend an entire day and evening at a rugby match and not telling me until the very last second because he knows that I get fed up about the amount of time he spends doing that sort of thing. He has been to about six or seven rugby matches in the last few months, which isn't a huge amount of time but he is so frequently away from home at weekends working that it is really sad that he doesn't want to spend at least some of these days with DD when he has the chance. I've never told him not to go or anything, just pointed out that it would be nice to do things as a family occasionally and that DD would like to see him. She is 7 and misses him a lot when he is away.

Anyway, I read the email fully intending to have a go at discussion with him about the rugby and find that this time it isn't rugby, it's a sailing weekend away with the boys. Fine(ish), so far. Bit pissed off that yet again he is clearly waiting to tell me until the last minute and planning to tell him that, but basically I'm OK with it (though I would have made it clear again that I would just like the courtesy of being asked in case I have commitments myself and again, what about DD who would love to spend a whole weekend with him at home).

Then it got a bit worse. I looked at his online diary (this is fine with him, not snooping, he has shared it with me and knows I look at it a lot as he is frequently away from home and travels all over the country and I like to know when he's going to be back etc). He has blocked out those two days with the name of a job on them. I then had a conversation with him about what jobs were coming up and he flat out lied about what he was going to be doing on those days - told me it would be an awful difficult job, in our home city but he would be working all night etc so he wouldn't make it home.

I didn't say anything. I was just so shocked that he would actually lie to me like that. I get that he doesn't want me to shout at him, but honestly, is this not both really deliberately underhand and also just so childish? It is just like a teenager claiming they're going to be at Jane's house so they can secretly go to a party they know you'd disapprove of.

How bad do people think this is? Should I just get over myself and suck it up? Should I confront him? Should I wait until it's over and see if he does in fact tell me about it in advance, or at all? I feel like he's not the person I thought he was. I have since asked him if there's anything he needs to tell me, quite lightly so he didn't suspect I knew and he said not. He booked this in about 12 days ago when we were actually on holiday together so not like he couldn't have mentioned it at the time.

I know compared to some stories on here this is trivial. But I'm just honestly so so shocked. I feel sick.

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APlaceOnTheCouch · 16/04/2015 15:22

Stupid if the calendar has changed, perhaps it was an oversight and not a deliberate attempt to mislead? I think that the fact your first response was that he was lying rather than that he'd mistaken the dates has shown that it's time to try to address the issues of trust and imbalance in your relationship. Maybe an appointment with Relate for you both, can help you to work through the issues.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 16/04/2015 15:24

Think Drew is the immature husband Wink

lotsofcheese · 16/04/2015 15:26

OP, Google "passive-aggressive behaviour" - your DH fits the bill.

There was a really interesting thread on here within the last month or two on PA behaviour, and how difficult it is to conduct a relationship within the context of that behaviour.

StupidIdioticChildishPrick · 16/04/2015 15:49

I still don't know if he is planning to go sailing or not as he hasn't mentioned it. I do hope it was an oversight or mistake. The lying bothered me more than the thoughtlessness, tbh.

APlaceOnTheCouch, yes, I think my response speaks volumes.

Thanks so much for helping me think this through, everyone. I appreciate all the responses (even Drew's, as they gave me a laugh). I will wait and see what happens, whether this sailing materialises or not, whether DH mentions it in good time or not. I'll let you know if anything interesting happens.

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Joysmum · 16/04/2015 15:55

I too think you need to consider why he lies. That statement isn't shifting the blame on you btw before anyone suggests it is Wink

You need an agreement to ensure fairness for all. If either of you wished to do anything, ensure you are scrupulously fair in having the same time and money for other person to spend as an individual, AND that the 3 of you spend the same quality together as a family unit.

That way he needs to spend time with DD to cover your absence and so gets quality time with her (better for their relationship to have time without you there), the 3 of you get quality family time together and both of you get time for yourselves without needing to justify it feel guilty.

Case solved Wink

BathtimeFunkster · 16/04/2015 16:08

I would be very tempted to book myself on a sailing trip that weekend.

ShutUpLegs · 16/04/2015 16:11

I had this with DH in the early days after we had kids. He simply did not make the transition from child-free to parent and continued to book gigs and weekend activities with complete unconcern.

Joysmum is spot on. Fairness for all is key. Equal access to time and budget for things you each want to do as individuals whilst ensuring balanced couple and family time too. And as the kids gt older, we find that they enjoy spending time with us one on one. It ain't easy to find the time to balance all of those needs and combinations but it does need to be done.

The thing that made me see red was that I felt DH was not treating me as an equal. He was acting selfishly in ensuring his free-time needs were being met but was disregarding my needs and the kids needs. And to boot, I was becoming an authority figure to be avoided or lied to. I have never felt less like we were in a partnership than at that time. I just felt I had another kid on my hands.

We did a lot of talking and I did end up saying at one point that not having him around was almost preferable to the dreadful relationship that we were developing. He was genuinely horrified and over the next year or so, we managed to reach some equitable agreements - which more or less held. Its got easier as the kids have got older - partly because I find it easier to leave them and so demand more of my own time (and the kids do their own thing too) - and partly because the kids and I now go and do some of those things with him - biking or walking etc...

Good luck finding a solution.

ShutUpLegs · 16/04/2015 16:13

ANd I should give DH his due - he has also matured and gets it now. He is much better at balancing this kind of stuff out. I don't feel I need to police him or him me - we just work it out.

Wasn't like that back then.

magoria · 16/04/2015 17:19

OP is not wrong.

Then it got a bit worse. I looked at his online diary (this is fine with him, not snooping, he has shared it with me and knows I look at it a lot as he is frequently away from home and travels all over the country and I like to know when he's going to be back etc). He has blocked out those two days with the name of a job on them. I then had a conversation with him about what jobs were coming up and he flat out lied about what he was going to be doing on those days - told me it would be an awful difficult job, in our home city but he would be working all night etc so he wouldn't make it home.

He flat out lied to her face that he would be working that weekend when he knew full well he had sailing booked. He told her his sailing weekend was going to be an awful difficult job working all night.

How the hell is that OP getting it wrong?

StupidIdioticChildishPrick · 16/04/2015 17:28

The awful difficult job he referred to is the one which was also listed in the following month. The original worrying entry has vanished.

I am hoping that he got the wrong date and was not lying on purpose.

However, I am still keen to know why he didn't tell me he was accepting an invitation to go out on this bloke's boat for the weekend when we were together for the entire day at the time he replied saying yes please. And why he hasn't mentioned it since then (unless, best case, he has cancelled by phone).

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StupidIdioticChildishPrick · 16/04/2015 17:29

So I admit that I may be wrong. Or I may not. Time will tell.

I'm actually feeling loads better now that the lie has gone from the calendar.

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Joysmum · 16/04/2015 18:53

Well you're in the perfect position to discuss this before he wants to do something else.

You can do the 'I've been thinking and I want us both to feel able to have time for ourselves whilst balancing with family time'.

Then you can suggest the guidance of 1:1:1 ratios of individual time each, and family time.

It's always best to address things when they aren't a current issue, rather than waiting for the shit to hit!

MelonBallersAreStrange · 16/04/2015 19:31

I'd book myself a day out on that day. Put it in the diary then tell him.

His reaction should let you know if he is (a) duplicitous or (b) thoughtless but caring or (c) thoughtless and selfish.

Hopefully it is (b), he will quietly cancel the sailing if he hasn't already and be happy you are getting some hobby time yourself and he can spend some time with DD.

StupidIdioticChildishPrick · 17/04/2015 10:02

That's more or less exactly what I plan to do, Joysmum.

He got home last night and said 'I made a mistake with that job, it's the month after, not next week'. We are in the middle of some changes to do with the business he runs atm so I then suggested we book a much-needed appointment with the bank for one of the days he'd have been away. He agreed immediately and said 'good idea'. So maybe he has cancelled the sailing and therefore didn't see the point in telling me.

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