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I escaped an EA, now I'm sliding back.

86 replies

dontknowwhereimgoing · 13/04/2015 23:16

Last October I fled my 20 year marriage and ended up in a refuge. My husband was abusive in many directions and when he turned it on my 4 year old son I ran. I've also been told some of what he did (deliberately trying smash things and throwing things) was physical abuse. I've already sat down and written down what he has done in the past (had to when applying for housing) so I know what he has done. I left refuge in February and moved into temporary housing and have now been offered a housing association house. I really don't know though where I am going. Somehow I'm now back in contact with my ex, we are speaking on the phone most days and I miss him. I've also been giving him money to help him to make ends meet as he's still in the family home with our dog and most of my possessions. (although it's up for sale) I don't have a lot of money only income support and tax credits.

I know he was abusive so why am I now looking back and thinking it wasn't that bad. (when I confronted him he said he may have done some of the things I had listed but I failed to include the circumstances. Many of his behaviours he doesn't realize are not acceptable)

OP posts:
tribpot · 14/04/2015 10:27

he may have done some of the things I had listed but I failed to include the circumstances

Not exactly a full admission of guilt and demonstration of remorse, is it? He doesn't actually admit to having done any of the things you list (he 'may' have) but even if he did, it was all completely justified using the circumstances which you omit.

Bullshit. He doesn't regret any of it, and he will do it again. Of course he's being nice as pie right now, that's how you get reeled back in. You miss 'who he used to be'? That was the fake personality he used to trap you the first time. Who he used to be is who he is. An abuser you had to flee to a refuge to escape.

Did you do the Freedom Programme when you got out? If not, I urge you to look at it. Even more strongly I urge you to stop giving him money. Then you will see his true character emerge again and it will be easier for you to resist the lure.

Summerbreezer · 14/04/2015 10:34

OP, I mean this kindly.

If you go back to him, you will lose your children.

The family courts do not care about who was the abuser and who the victim. They only care about your ability to protect your children.

You have shown to date that you are strong. That your children come first.

Please get help, and don't give them reason think otherwise.

Remember, our feelings are often unreliable. Of course you miss him, want a future together. But the facts say otherwise. Act on the facts.

cozietoesie · 14/04/2015 10:46

Oh Yes - Act on the facts indeed.

dontknow

This giving him money and 'thinking it wasn't that bad.'

Are you by any chance feeling sorry for him?

Marmaladedandelions · 14/04/2015 10:50

it's very tempting to minimise the risk and look back through rose tinted glasses and say 'it was not that bad!'

That's why writing it down is helpful.

And yes, it's impossible to explain how years of being laughed at, mocked, scorned and belittled leave you feeling drained and weak. You feel you deserve it.

Cherryapple1 · 14/04/2015 11:00

OP - the way you write it is like you feel it is your fault he behaved in such an awful way, and you need to somehow fix or help it. You can't do that. His behaviour is because of who he is. If he didn't do it to you, it would be to someone else. You can only change your response to how he has behaved. And that only response is no contact. Anything else is just too dangerous. You need to see him for what he is, not the image of what you want him to be projected onto an abusive man.

cozietoesie · 14/04/2015 11:02

The strange thing is (well maybe not quite so strange when you think about the brain needing to give you the ability to survive trauma after a fashion) that you tend to forget trauma and remember any good things - even if those good things were small and infrequent.

It doesn't really go away though or at least not without a lot of work on your part. I can tell you that if you went back, your subconscious would be permanently on edge waiting for that first raised voice or crash in the hall.

And they'd come - as night follows day.

LoisPuddingLane · 14/04/2015 11:14

I also think if you stopped giving him money (how you can afford that on benefits, I don't know) you would see the not so nice side of him again, pretty damn quickly. What kind of man takes money from a woman who is living on, and supporting her children on, subsistence level benefits? You might ask yourself that.

BertieBotts · 14/04/2015 11:16

Abuse is very much like addiction, it's very very hard to break those ties.

Is it possible to go no contact at all?

Have you read any books or done the Freedom Programme?

dontknowwhereimgoing · 14/04/2015 13:20

I've done part of the freedom project online, the nearest course to me is a good 60 miles away and with no childcare I'd have 2 children with me, not ideal :(

There is a local organization that specializes in offering counseling for DV, phoned 3 1/2 weeks ago and I'm still waiting to hear back from them. I got an initial phone call back and was told my details would be passed on but nothing yet, my HV has also chased them and says she's got nowhere either.

I did meet with the support worker for where I am currently living (supported housing) this morning and discussed some things at length which includes that I may not take the offered house from the HA as it's only 30 miles from my ex, I'll decide when I view whether it feels safe or not, my gut at the moment is that it may well be too near. Where I currently am is quite a bit further and I'd be quite happy to settle here as I'm currently building up a reasonably good support network (HV, school nurse, social worker and homestart.) Only issue is I will sit in temporary accommodation until something comes up and this is a very popular area.

Re the money, I told him quite bluntly this morning I had nothing so could give him nothing. (not entirely true, I've got £20 in my account to last until Friday) I only manage to give him anything by going without myself. He is due a lump sum of money later this month so I'm hoping I'll get some of my money back from him. I do find it rather disgusting that he's prepared to take money that should be supporting his children, especially as he received a benefit payment less than a fortnight ago (which is supposed to last a month) the day he got it he immediately took out £100, when he asked me for money 2 days later I queried where it had all gone (I've still got internet access to his bank account) he told he he had borrowed money off someone and paid them back, when I dug deeper it turned out he had paid it to someone in return for them lending him porn.

I don't feel any of it is my fault but I do feel guilt that I've taken his children from him.

I don't want to go back hence why I'm trying to break the emotional ties and understand how I feel, I wish it really was as simple as going NC.

OP posts:
LoisPuddingLane · 14/04/2015 13:25

He really is a prince, isn't he?

It IS disgusting that he will take money that should be used for feeding his children. It's more than disgusting. So stop. Just say no. You don't have to give any justification. As I've often read on MN, "no" is a full sentence. If he gets abusive, hang up.

cozietoesie · 14/04/2015 13:39

How 'temporary' is this current housing in reality? It sounds from everything you've posted as if a greater physical distance would be much better for you and the kids. (30 miles likely being easily do-able for him eg with a quick lift from a friend.)

So he (in effect) took money from his kids to pay for his porn?

Summerbreezer · 14/04/2015 13:39

I do feel guilt that I've taken his children from him.

No no no no no. Someone had to take his children from him. You or Social Services. Thank goodness it was you.

He MADE you take the children from him.

cozietoesie · 14/04/2015 13:46

Oh - and by the way. I would actually regard his telling you that he'd used the money to pay back for porn as an abusive act. He didn't need to - he could have admitted (which I'm assuming is what your 'digging deeper' means) to spending the money on all sort of things - as indeed he might have. Mentioning porn brings up all sorts of things into the phone conversation.

It sounds as if he might even be enjoying some of this. Feel guilty? No way!

mix56 · 14/04/2015 13:52

You went to a REFUGE, you left & went to a refuge in despair. you took your child with you. So were you making it up? was it really necessary ? Did you manage to hoodwink all the housing people to get this accommodation ???
Did you leave with barely no possessions for FUN.
You really need to back & read the Emotional abuse handbook. because the good behavior & hovering is part of the cycle. & Yes he hasn't always been an abusive bastard. But he became one & when you go back you will be back to square one. yes you regret the person he could have been
You need to do something useful with your time rather than worry about his finances, & his life. find a job, or join a club, or take up knitting, anything, but do not believe he has changed.
He made it happen, he was the one who inflicted emotional & physical abuse on you, & then your son... Do you think its like a disease & he is cured now because you have escaped his grip... He hasn't even confessed to his actions, why do you think he has changed?
Stop giving him money, he can sell the house, or in the mean time get some lodgers,

mix56 · 14/04/2015 13:54

typos because I'm irate

withaspongeandarustyspanner · 14/04/2015 13:59

Vivaca because the OP was with him a long time. He wasn't abusive once, I expect - it'll've happened gradually, just like the way he (I imagine) has slowly chipped away at OP's confidence and made her feel that things are better with him now. Abusive partners are highly skilled, they know exactly which buttons to press.

Be strong OP.

LoisPuddingLane · 14/04/2015 13:59

Who borrows porn these days?

mix56 · 14/04/2015 14:01

as for the porn........Oh FGS. & you feel guilty for taking your children away.

rollmeover · 14/04/2015 14:09

Op, dont just remember what he did but try and remember how he made you FEEL. I will bet most of the following-
On edge, upset, in physical pain due to the emotional hurt he caused, sad, scared, confused, terrified when he threw things,

How did you FEEL when you left? Still upset Im sure but also as if a huge weight was off your shoulders. Do you want to go back to feeling like that everyday?

Tell the support people around you that you are slipping back and bolster their support. Take the temp housing further away from him. Never give him money again (you know, cause that is for your children who deserve better than this).

You are strong, you have come so far, and you are nearly free.

Vivacia · 14/04/2015 17:54

With I understand how women get trapped in abusive relationships. I appreciate how amazing it is that OP escaped. I do not understand why you would take your children back to that situation.

Vivacia · 14/04/2015 17:55

But I didn't ask the question in order to gain enlightenment. I asked it because I thought it would be helpful for OP to put in to words her reasons for returning.

BertieBotts · 14/04/2015 18:35

Viv - I know you said you didn't ask for enlightenment but very similar reasoning as to why abuse victims stay even though they've experienced some awful things. It's just very difficult to extricate yourself, to diminish that hope that things might improve and doesn't get easier until you reach that final point of no return. This doesn't necessarily get triggered by leaving. It takes an average of seven attempts to leave an abusive relationship. It is even harder to leave after going back to give somebody a second (or thirty-fourth or whatever) chance - it feels as though everybody will say "I told you so". But understand that if you have not mentally reached the end of the road with the relationship, it does not necessarily feel like an escape to get out.

OP - good that you've done bits of the FP online :) Do you feel able to continue it? I started the online one recently although I feel like I fully understand my experience of abuse now, because I recommend it often enough on here I thought I might as well see what it's like. I am actually finding it tougher than I expected, so understand if it's hard going. If you prefer something more passive rather than requiring so much input from you, it would be well worth buying one of the books. Either Pat Craven's book Living With The Dominator (she also wrote the Freedom Programme so the terms etc will be the same) or Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft, who is excellent too, if you want another perspective which doesn't repeat stuff from the course.

It sounds as though you still feel responsible for him? Are you the only person that he has to rely on? Perhaps you struggle with giving absolute nos - wondering what he will do if you don't help him out. Have you thought that that is his problem to worry about?

I know the feeling of feeling guilty about taking his children. You are imagining how awful the pain would be if somebody were to take your children from you. You know that everybody makes mistakes, you've probably made some imperfect parenting moves yourself (you wouldn't be human if you hadn't!) and you're imagining that if somebody used that one time you lost control and shouted as a reason to "protect" your children from you, you'd be utterly distraught.

In fact it is very unlikely that he is feeling the same as you would be feeling in the same situation. Of course he probably is feeling very sorry for himself - he had a nice life with a wife and children at home and now he has lost that. But do not be fooled that he is missing the children as much as you would. Men like this in fact rarely do. Do you not think that if he was missing them so terribly he would be doing everything he could to try and make sure they were happy, safe and cared for? Like not taking money from their mother, for a start.

He is still not taking responsibility for what has happened. His comment that you "failed to include the circumstances" is classic. In what circumstances does he believe abuse is acceptable? In what circumstances do YOU?

BertieBotts · 14/04/2015 18:36

In fact, is that the issue? That on some level, you believe he was justified, or that the fact he felt he was justified excuses it. It doesn't. If he's not even willing to look at that as a possibility then the abuse is still happening, I'm afraid.

dontknowwhereimgoing · 14/04/2015 18:56

I actually feel quite sick, I've just been to buy the children tea and had my debit card declined, I've miscalculated and he's taken the last of my money, wont have any more till Friday so I'm going to have to ask for a foodbank voucher, that and turn off the heating as otherwise I'll run out of electricity :( I've actually sat down this evening and I really can't believe how much he's had off me in the past 2 months, certainly won't give him another penny and I'm sure when he gets the money he's waiting for in the next couple of weeks he'll refuse to pay most of it back by denying it could possibly be that amount (despite showing on statements)

I've also had social services here this afternoon as the HV expressed concerns to them as I have had contact with him. They are happy the children are at no risk currently but all that could change if he has contact with the children. They are also informing the police DV unit.

OP posts:
cozietoesie · 14/04/2015 19:01

He's still abusing you.

Do not be tempted to phone him up and throw yourself on his mercy in any way.

Have you any food in the house?