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Lies - what do I do?

97 replies

notthisagain1 · 20/03/2015 23:14

Hi all
I need to post about something I found out today but am a bit worried that my h might come across this thread if he googles some of the pertinent words I am going to use. I know there is the other place but I think the traffic is better and more relationships orientated here, and I really need as many opinions as possible!
Silly question, but if I mention the name of a website - will this thread come up when people are googling the actual website?

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mix56 · 21/03/2015 23:03

oh, you could go & see the accountant & tell him you want to know the real details, if there is any hedging, tell him that you want the truth & if anything illegal is happening he will shortly be in court. (he will call your H, so decide when you want this to happen) alternatively tell him the name of your Forensic accountant that will be investigating for tax fraud etc. (this can be a bluff !)

notthisagain1 · 21/03/2015 23:05

Thx for your message mix. Yes I need a plan of some kind. At this point I don't know how to deal with the feeling of shock / rejection.

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notthisagain1 · 21/03/2015 23:07

I don't know if there is any fraud and tbh I would rather not go down that whole route. I suppose what mainly concerns me are the pretty massive and repeated lies.

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AnyFucker · 21/03/2015 23:15

Did you post about this before ?

Because if that was you, all the advice and predictions on your old thread were spot on

you have to act now....you have already been massively stitched up

stop sleepwalking into even more shit

divorce him and employ a forensic accountant to sort all this out and get what is yours, if it isn't already too late

SugarOnTop · 21/03/2015 23:49

wouldn't post be arriving at our house in my name? Not if he's given a different address for it to go to/using a PO Box etc . I'm setting up self employed and i'm using a 'virtual office' as the registered address for all mail etc to go to, they will ring me when i have post and i can either have it forwarded to me or go in to collect it.

he has consistently lied to you, tried to gaslight you, manipulated and financially controlled you, been deceitful and emotionally abusive....you cannot trust him re ANYTHING in my opinion. Yes, he can use your name to buy and sell properties - afterall it is never his intent that you 'find out'.

this means that
a) He knows you don't know half of what he has been doing and what you do know has only recently come to light - despite him having done it ages ago.
b) If you don't know what has been put in your name then you can't 'claim' it can you?
c) he is then free to pocket all the proceeds from the sale and the financial/tax benefits that come with using your name and tax allowance.
d) his actions show that he does not see you as an equal partner in the marriage and he's making sure that it all remains 'his' by not keeping you in the loop. no doubt his excuse is that he won't be 'screwed over' again....why is he even contemplating and taking action regards to an eventual split if it isn't on his mind?

mix56 · 22/03/2015 08:36

OP, his blanking you i& it s being done as emotional blackmail, it is one of the major tactics of an EA, interspersed with moments of relative normality when he takes it too far. The chances are if you say that you are leaving him & going to a solicitor, he will start a phase of :
a) being remorseful, saying its stress, saying he needs you, he loves you & wants to make it all OK. (yawn)
b) saying you are mental, that you are incapable, you are a useless mother, he has done all the work, everything is his, & will take the kids off you.

the last scenario is just a marriage that no longer works:
c) he tells you to go ahead & leave, & slope off to OW

google emotional abuse, see how many of the traits he can be attributed with.

wannabestressfree · 22/03/2015 08:49

Am with any on this. Divorce the fucker Indeed and protect yourself and your children!

tribpot · 22/03/2015 09:10

why doesn't he put an end to the marriage if he dislikes me as much as he seems to?

Hmm, let's see. Why would a man who would have to first declare and then share his assets with a wife of nearly 20 years not divorce her? (The clue is in the question). Please in no way mistake the fact he hasn't left as a sign that actually he does care about you and wants the marriage to work. Just as you are afraid of the consequences of divorce, so is he.

First thing is to register your interest in the property you live in. So he goes ape shit. So what?

notthisagain1 · 22/03/2015 10:47

Thanks for your messages which I am keeping up to date with. Am getting ready for dd1's birthday get together this afternoon so will write more this evening. Still have butterflies in my stomach and feel anxious Sad.

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notthisagain1 · 22/03/2015 20:53

I did post about the shop h bought in secret and then lied about AF. I have also posted about our difficult relationship under different usernames.

I agree that what he has done is completely and utterly deceitful towards me and shows that the relationship means nothing to him and/or that he really does not understand how relationships are supposed to work. I am under no illusions there at all now and am slowly processing the shock of what I found out on Friday.

I spent some of yesterday and today thinking that the secrecy about the two properties might be a tax thing (though I don't know and am not going down that particular road as I have enough on my plate dealing with the shambles of my marriage which hasn't been a marriage for a long time and probably never was) and therefore not telling me might make sense (in a twisted kind of way!).

Thinking more today however I think

his excuse is that he won't be 'screwed over' again....why is he even contemplating and taking action regards to an eventual split if it isn't on his mind? is more likely to be the bigger part of the picture as far as I am concerned.

The idea that my name could be on various things is frightening and to be honest I don't think h would do this. The deeds of his that I have seen (3 out of the 5 properties) have his name on. I will try and find out about the other 2. Is it possible to find out who owned a property prior to somebody else - because I would also need to find out whose name was on the property that was sold in 2013.

Again however I really don't think h would have done this / do this. I think he feels desperate and is covering his back (and is a liar Sad) but I don't think he would go to the trouble to put my name on a property of his. Also, how would this be possible, when signing for my half of the flat my sister lives in I had to be there in person - it was all quite official.

With regards to loans and accounts in my name, is there an easy way that I could find out? Does the credit check list these or does it purely tell you if you have good or bad credit?

If and when it comes to a separation / divorce mix56, think his reaction will be a mixture of your b and c scenarios - definitely not a.

Please in no way mistake the fact he hasn't left as a sign that actually he does care about you and wants the marriage to work. I agree completely. In fact his huge lie has made me realise that a lot of his other behaviour towards me (detached, unaffectionate, impatient/bad tempered/critical at times though we were also getting on reasonably well in a non intimate way some of the time, uncaring) falls into place. Like the pieces of jigsaw finally fitting together, or the wool being pulled off my eyes.

Re. registering my interest in the property, I think I have to get a number of things worked out in my head and sorted before I can do this because I cannot afford to do anything which will throw me off kilter. H is at arms length at the moment (not speaking to me AT ALL and spending all of today in a different part of the house (working on his computer which makes me nervous - he came and took a gas meter reading and even then made me wonder what he is up to Confused despite dd1 having a party etc..). If huge arguments erupt between us I will not be able to do the things I need to do. Hopefully he will go away again this week as he does most weeks, though he seems to have a cold / be ill so maybe he won't.

Please keep your messages coming if you are inspired to say anything, as they are helping.

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notthisagain1 · 22/03/2015 20:55

trouble of putting

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AnyFucker · 22/03/2015 21:04

what is it exactly you are going to do ? Confused

things have escalated since your last thread[s]

how bad will you let this get ?

employ a forensic accountant, and do it tomorrow

notthisagain1 · 22/03/2015 21:26

I want to sort out a number of things before the shit hits the fan as it were as I don't think I will be able to do it afterwards.

One of these things is find work which is a big deal as I haven't worked (for money) for 13 years.

Re. a forensic accountant, I have understood that they are used in litigation type cases but without access to files / paperwork, how do they forensically account? I need what I will need to look after myself and the dc but at the same time I don't wish h any harm - or to drag all of his affairs out into the open in a way which would be harrowing and lead to WW3. He is exhausted, has problems with his legs and has worked hard for many years. I know what he was trying to do with the secret properties (I think) and I realise our relationship is over, but I don't think h is macchiavellian. He is a selfish surviver type.

For myself I would like peace of mind, and control over my own future.

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notthisagain1 · 22/03/2015 21:27

Or survivor even Blush

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AnyFucker · 22/03/2015 21:31

I think you are sleepwalking into a massive mess, and have been for some time

your h wishes you harm...he is financially and emotionally abusive towards you

your wish to protect him will be the undoing of you and your kids

seek professional advice, you cannot manage this in your own

AutumnDragon · 22/03/2015 21:44

The credit checks will list all loans etc (not sure how many years they go back, I think 6 years after they end). They will tell you if payments were made on time etc, when they were started etc

It will also tell you any person you are financially linked with and any addresses you are linked with.

notthisagain1 · 22/03/2015 22:55

Thank you. Will start the credit check thing tomorrow though my gut feeling tells me this hasn't happened (not saying my gut feeling can't be wrong however).

Will probaby also organise an appointment with a solicitor but not to launch myself into a massive traumatic separation, just to get advice. I need to see what the lay of the land is.

I don't think h wishes me harm per se. I think he thinks that in any divorce I would come out trumps (which is kind of what happened in his first marriage) so he is trying to protect himself. Given the recent shock I have had I may of course be wrong!!

One of the things about divorce is that I don't know how much money / equity / mortgage there is. I don't know whether we could both afford to live in the uber expensive Angry town we live in. Yet two of the dc are very attached to their school and really wouldn't want to move - all this goes round and round in my head. I am completely unable to imagine how a separated life would work given the expense of property and life in general.

Thanks for all your messages Smile.

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AnyFucker · 23/03/2015 15:14

how are you getting on ? Any progress ?

notthisagain1 · 23/03/2015 20:24

Thanks for asking. Have had an awful day where I have accomplished very little. Blindsided by the fact that h seemed to be driving off in the direction of his secret shop this morning. That when he got back he carried on blanking me and was talking to his good friend over the fence. I thought the good friend seemed to be a bit strange with me and then I wondered what they are plotting. Then they parted and a bit later h was on the phone to someone (don't know who) saying he would leave to go to somewhere soon. The other person must have suggested food because h said "the Chinese? Sounds good". I was wondering what Chinese restaurant that h seemed to know Hmm and who he was going with. Felt very very upset after that. Didn't see h for a few hours but tried to phone him and then texted him saying we need to talk. No response. This evening he is still blanking me and has now retreated to the attic with food and his computer. I cannot tell you the level of hurt that I feel.

Me wise, I contacted the solicitor I met last year but it turns out she is on maternity leave. Also considered registering my interest in the family home (but scared of doing this) and downloaded the form.

Saw a couple of friends and spoke to a third.

I feel absolutely awful and am not focusing on the kids enough. Have permanent butterflies in my stomach and am unable to do anything. Would really like someone to come and stay for a bit to support me git there is no one I can ask.

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AnyFucker · 23/03/2015 20:31

Gosh, that sounds very hard. I am sorry that you didn't get very far. The couple of friends you saw, do they know how unsettled and unhappy he is making you feel ? it looks like he is deliberately taunting you Sad

You need some support, love. It seems like you just don't know where to start (not surprisingly)

Never mind the kids for now, they will be fine, but you really cannot carry on like this. You will get properly ill, and that helps no-one.

mix56 · 23/03/2015 21:15

It must be really hurtful & I am so sorry that H is continuing the cold shoulder treatment This sounds really like he is provoking you, or is just waiting for you to leave. altho ironically it won't suit him that you get half of everything, that he hasn't already hidden (assuming "everything" isn't part of a debt)
Obviously this cannot continue. the longer you wait, the more trickery he can can plan.
Are you frightened of him ? Of just going to the attic, & saying "what the fuck is going on ?", because, him just stone walling you is not what families & loving marriages are about.
Can you not say, that "the sulking & mutism has been going on for x days, you have no idea what it is about, but in any event, it doesn't really matter anymore, because you are not a pawn in his sad lying, cheating game, & he will be hearing from your solicitor. About turn & walk OUT.
See if the bastard has anything to say about it...

notthisagain1 · 23/03/2015 21:18

I am scared of talking to him yes. Scared that I will feel even worse after.

Can't stop obsessing about who he was meeting and why and about their Chinese lunch Sad.

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notthisagain1 · 23/03/2015 21:19

I have told my friends how bad I feel and they have listened but what I really want is someone to move in Confused.

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notthisagain1 · 23/03/2015 21:21

Should I go and ask him who he had lunch with and why? A. He probably wouldn't answer and B. The answer might be a lie.

Am thinking he might be something of an empty shell.

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Hidingmyidentity · 23/03/2015 21:30

I don't know how anyone could live like this, the pressure you are under is enormous. Deceit, lies & the silent treatment.