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DP unsure about children - should I leave?

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ConkerGame · 29/01/2015 12:03

Hello lovely ladies (and men). My DP has just revealed that he might not want children and that if he does it probably won't be for another 8-10 years and it has left me devastated - hoping for some positive advice on what to do.

For background, we have been together for 3 years but with a 4 month break a year ago. I am 28 and he is 30. We have always had a really lovely relationship and are best friends as well as lovers. The reason we had the break was because I worked abroad for a bit and he found whilst I was away that he got used to being on his own and independent again and struggled to be in a serious relationship again when I got back. The break up was as amicable as possible (although devastated I accepted his decision and we just kept our distance from each other) and he spent the entire time apart utterly miserable, realising it was a huge mistake and trying to get the confidence to ask me to take him back, which he eventually did. It took me a couple of months of cautiously dating him to trust him again but we have now been happily back together for 6 months.

We started to discuss moving in together later this year, trying to work out when would be best logistically due to out of sync leases etc, and this conversation turned into a talk generally about our future. It came out that I was hoping that if all went well, we would get engaged in a couple of years and probably have children a couple of years after that. He on the other hand seemed a bit taken aback by this and said he was definitely not thinking on that time scale. He was thinking more like getting married in 5 years time and not having children for another 8-10 years, if at all. I pointed out that if I have to wait 8-10 years I may no longer be able to have children and that having kids was the most important thing to me in the world. That made him back off even more and he said he would happily just be with me forever without children and he couldn't say that he would ever definitely want them. It did seem to be the first time he had considered the biological implications for me, though - like it honestly hadn't crossed his mind before.

We have talked about marriage and children before but always in very general terms ie 'if I have children I'd like them to learn a second language' or 'I'd like my children to go to state school' etc. We had never discussed specific timings before but when we got back together last year I made it clear I would only consider it if we were both fully committed to being together forever. I suppose that I assumed he realised I meant marriage and kids and that this would be sooner rather than later. He on the other hand took it to mean marriage at some point in the future.

Our conversation got quite emotional and I said that I needed to know for sure if he doesn't want children as then our relationship would have to end because I definitely do want to have kids. He then became very upset saying he really didn't want to lose me again but didn't know if he could give me a guarantee that he would want them in the future or when that would be. We decided to leave it for a bit so he could work out what he wants.

I am now terrified of bringing it up again as I would be absolutely gutted to lose him. I am also worried that by making it so black and white I am putting a lot of pressure on him and he will end up making a false decision that he might not have come to given more time to think it through and to see him friends develop their relationships (only a couple of his older friends have had kids so far and about half his friends are single). I think he probably will want kids eventually (though maybe not for a long time), he would be such a great father and he has a great relationship with his own parents. He said he doesn't want to lose his independence but that seems a bit selfish and a bit immature to me to still prefer to be free to go out with your mates all the time when you're 35 (and I bet a lot of his friends will be settled down by then too!). I am very independent and love going out with my friends but can easily see that children would bring more than enough joy to compensate for the loss of freedom. On the other hand though I don't want to be left in limbo for a year whilst he makes his mind up, only to find that nothing has changed and I've then lost a year of trying to find someone who definitely wants what I want.

I would really appreciate any wisdom from you all - I know I am not the only person to have faced this dilemma so would be grateful for any similar stories and how they worked out.

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ZenNudist · 01/02/2015 22:59

Just leave. I'm one who think he doesn't want marriage and kids with you. It's harsh but I reckon he will marry and may have children, probably earlier than he says. It's like you will have 'softened him up' for his next gf! Sorry but this happens,

Consider it fortunate that you're only 28 and had the foresight to raise this,

My friend went through the same thing at 32/3. She hadn't been with the guy that long. Just a few years.
My friend left her bloke for someone she didn't love who wanted to get married and have children. The whole experience really fucked her up and we don't speak now. Her ex went on to marry a woman with kids! He definitely didn't want his own.

Being single at 28 is a good time to live a little and perhaps meet mr right along the way. Try not to focus on finding. 'The one'. Plenty of time.

sockmatcher · 02/02/2015 07:53

Zennudist. I do agree. Lots of friends also with guys who say marriage/ kids not for me. Then next relationship boom. The whole works.

Sorry OP to use the American film title. He really isn't that in to you.

MonstrousRatbag · 03/02/2015 16:25

He is offering you nothing concrete, just enough hints to keep you with him for the time being. Sadly I think that he is happy to stay in a relationship with you for now but has no medium or long-term commitment to you. Bail out and find someone who cares about you more than that.

KatelynB · 03/02/2015 20:39

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Bogeyface · 03/02/2015 20:50

Another one who knows a woman who lost her childbearing years to "not now, maybe in a year or so". At 41 (he was older) she was left high and dry as he buggered off with mistress.

I think you can guess what happened next...... yep, OW was pregnant within months and he now has 2 kids with her.

She tried having a baby on her own with donor sperm but it didnt work out and she is now closer to 50 than 40 and hates him far more for stealing her fertile years with his constant "maybe next year" than she does for him leaving for the OW. Truth be told, I think she hates herself more for not leaving sooner :(

CalleighDoodle · 03/02/2015 20:56

Leave him. Youre not in the same place. Also, ive started menopause at 36. 8-10 years away at 28 is too long.

TendonQueen · 03/02/2015 20:57

This is a deal breaker, I'm afraid. He is nowhere near being on the same page as you. Call it a day now. I do not believe in 'the one': there will be someone else out there who will want kids with you and be a great dad to them. But only if you look for them!

Bogeyface · 03/02/2015 21:00

I have just realised that I am "the one he marries".

Known H for years and I knew a particular ex of his very well (I met her because he was dating her), we became reasonably good friends. I know she was desperate for a ring and babies, but he wasnt interested at all, she used to go on and on about it. He made it very clear it wasnt what he wanted but she kept pushing. In the end they split up, they were just incompatible I think, and he had a few short term relationships in the next few years, I was married to ex at the time. He has admitted that he split with 2 or 3 of them because they made it clear they wanted marriage/babies.

Then after my divorce we got together (friend was fine with it, she was in LTR and pg by then) and we got married and had our dd. Friend was totally NOT fine with that. She kept asking him why he married me and not her. It was really awkward for quite a long time.

I have asked him why me and not her and he said "I just didnt want to marry her and ~I did want to marry you" so........

redredholly · 03/02/2015 21:02

Bogeyface had you had kids in your first marriage? Perhaps that acclimatised him to the idea! A happy story, anyway.

Bogeyface · 03/02/2015 21:03

I did yes, 5 of them Blush

redredholly · 03/02/2015 21:03

Wow! Hats off that you still had time for romance.

Bogeyface · 03/02/2015 21:06

It is happy but not for my friend, I do feel for her and how she must have felt, I would have felt the same.

Everything is fine now, but was quite difficult. She was absolutely fine with us getting together, presumably because she thought he was a commitment phobe (as did I tbh) so we wouldnt be together long. As it was, I wasnt bothered about marriage and babies, been there done that, so perhaps that was piqued his interest!

Bogeyface · 03/02/2015 21:08

Wow! Hats off that you still had time for romance.

It was more a case of X, mum and dads friend who the kids had known for years to X, bf of mum and friend of dad who the kids had known for years. Ex and H used to go out for a drink together quite often, they still would but Ex has moved a bit further away.

eddielizzard · 03/02/2015 21:09

a major part of a successful relationship imo is a shared vision of the future. wanting the same things in life will last you a lifetime when all the lust has worn away and you're left with mundanity. not exciting, but if you have a shared vision that goes such a long way.

children is absolutely fundamental to the way you live and if he doesn't want them - that his gut reaction is no, listen to him.

don't throw away what you most want because you're hoping he'll really change his mind deep down.

sorry.

ketchup38 · 03/02/2015 21:12

Please leave..

When I was in my mid 20s I wasted 4 years of my life in a similar relationship. Even now in my 30s looking back I can't understand why I waited so long... hoping he would change his kind eventually.
So glad I found the strength to leave.

Noggie · 03/02/2015 21:18

I've had two close friends experience something similar to you. They both stated either their partners to see how things went - and the guys never did decide to have kids and now it's too late Hmm. One has since left partner and other is still with her partner and making the best if things. Tough decision time for you- don't leave it too long.

NowABitShapeless · 03/02/2015 23:22

He doesn't want children, don't wait around for him to change his mind.

But then I don't think the OP is coming back.

AuntieStella · 03/02/2015 23:46

This may be well wide of the mark, but are you sure he wasn't seeing someone else whilst you were working away?

Even if he wasn't he liked his independence, and doesn't want children in the short or medium term.

It's a horrible position to be caught in, but it boils down now to a straightforward choice for you. Which do you want more - him, or children? Now, you can never guarantee that you can produce children, whether with him or someone else. But do you want the possibility to really exist?

brightreddress · 04/02/2015 09:52

He isn't someone who really doesn't want children, imho. Rather he's someone that doesn't want to be in a serious relationship (with you or at all I don't know) at the moment. Peter Pan syndrome. Which is quite sexy to 20 year old girls and post-menopausal women, but not women 28-35!!

KristinaM · 04/02/2015 10:08

I agree with bright red dress. Although I'd like to point out that lots of women aged 36 and older still want , and can have children . The fact that a minority of women migh have trouble conceiving at this age doesn't mean Its post menopausal ! Lots of women conceive very easily in their late 30 s and early 40s.

I'm not reccomending it as a plan BTW just pointing out that OP has some options

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