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husband has asked for a split - what should I do?

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dazedandconfused1980 · 16/12/2014 13:20

Sorry for the v.long post (I don’t want to drip feed) but I am in quite a horrible place at the moment and I can’t work out what is going on.

My dh of 5 years (together for 10), snapped at me, then left the house, on 29th November. I went to my mum’s the following day and I haven’t seen him since (have spoken civilly and texted however). I felt we both needed space to process all the things that have happened over the past 10 years (and this year in particular). These include:

• trying for a baby for one year without success.
• me getting into debt spending on alternative therapies/counselling etc.
• Dh’s book deal (his life’s ambition) falling through.
• Me becoming very depressed and being off work for 3 months.

My depression/debt/trying for a child has been key I believe and I am still trying to work out how it all came about/unravelled.

The backstory is that my dh (who is 53) has been very reluctant to have a child, even though when I was 25 (10 years ago), I gave him ‘5 years notice’. I thought that would be enough time for him to ‘come round to the idea’. I brought the subject up several times over the years and he sort of ‘acquiesed’, and we got married in 2010.

In June 2013 we started ‘trying’ and I was very excited. I thought I had done all the hard work (i.e. persuading him) and it was time now for us to go on this adventure together. But month after month it didn’t happen. I suppose I was very naïve about conception, I had no idea how hard it could be. I then fell into a deep depression and recovered, with my Dh’s support, over the course of this year and I am now back at work.

I thought things were getting better in my life but after he snapped he said that he wanted to split with me and he said that “the time for words and feelings is over, I want action’. This confused my because we barely speak about ‘meaningful’ things. For example:

• I thought that he was still reeling from his book deal falling through last year, but now he says he’s fine – it seems like he spent most of this year not speaking and doing diy and now he is feeling more positive. All this has happened and we have not really spoken about the transition.
• He has now said that he won’t speak to me about having a child because he is only doing it out of duty and he will go along with the mechanics of it but doesn’t think he can give me any emotional support along the way. He says he has never had a baby and so can’t relate to it – and I should talk to my female friends – although he believes that he will be a good, responsible father should a dc come along.

I just feel so alone and confused as he has also said a few other things to me that were hurtful – e.g. I start projects and don’t finish them (e.g. I come up with ideas for short stories but don’t write them), and he also said that it annoys him when I speak as I don’t pronounce all my t’s (!!).

Now, I am trying to take back control because I feel that he has been calling the shots for a long time but I really am now at a loss for what to do next. He is going to email me on Friday 19th with some information about what is feelings/views are and I am going to respond. But I have no idea what he is going to say.

My mum says that, at 34, I should cut my losses with him and move on. But I still love him/like him, and feel that maybe I have brought this all upon myself by being too needy/insecure and not understanding that men’s ways of communicating and different to women’s…?

Any advice welcomed please, particularly before he emails me on Friday….

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RubbishMantra · 16/12/2014 14:58

Good for you Dazed. Smile

kaykayblue · 16/12/2014 15:05

He sounds like a complete dick, and it's just that you have normalised his behaviour due to exposure.

It is in no way normal to make someone WEEKS to discuss something. It's controlling and childish. It's also fucking patronising.

He sounds like a class A prat, who sees you as a silly little girl who needs careful handling, and who needs to bow down to his superior interllect and life experience. What a knob.

On the children issue, I have to say that I honestly think you are projecting your feelings onto him. You gave him a five year period for kids, and it comes across like he has been reluctantly pressured into it.

That doesn't justify him being a total dick, but you can't force this on him. You might THINK he'd be an awesome dad, and he'd step up, and he'd love it really...but you don't have the right to decide that. A dog lives for what, 14 years? It's just not comparable. I have plenty of friends who would make incredible mothers, but don't want children. It's wrong to pressure someone into something like that.

dazedandconfused1980 · 16/12/2014 15:07

cogito - I think you have summed it up exactly (although I'm not sure he would agree Grin he is a historian so I am sure the he will want to have it noted that he has behaved honourably at all times.

It's all a bit cliched though isn't it? (I'm realising) and I have been taken for a fool... or maybe he didn't realise what he was doing?

I wish I knew what a good, communicative relationship was like (and could feel that I deserve it). I have yet to experience one first hand.

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dazedandconfused1980 · 16/12/2014 15:10

Kay - you're right. I shouldn't have pressured him. I didn't even know 100% myself if I wanted kids until a few years ago.

I will never make the mistake again of not asking for 100% clarity on really important issues.

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elephantspoo · 16/12/2014 15:11

Sounds like you need to go your separate ways. He does not want what you want out of life, and will not be bullied into it. Likewise, you are not getting what you need from him, and he is unable to provide it. He is unlikely to compromise, so unless you are willing to, its time to move on.

DrElizabethPlimpton · 16/12/2014 15:12

I so sorry, but he doesn't sound like great father material, let alone husband material. He knows now what he wants to say to you. Keeping you dangling like this is just cruel.

IIWU I would end things immediately. You have a long life ahead of you, don't shackle yourself to such a selfish creature.

pinkfrocks · 16/12/2014 15:16

You just each want different things. Making you wait to discuss something so important by email is appalling. Not mature. selfish and immature. Controlling yet cowardly.

Not sure what your fertility investigations showed but fertility is a 2-way thing; you might find it easier with a younger man!

A huge amount of infertility is unexplained and your relationship and the stress of all this may account for your lack of conception ( unless you have something physical like blocked tubes.)

Get rid and move on.

dazedandconfused1980 · 16/12/2014 15:33

thanks again everyone. it seems like things are going to end for us. I resent him too much now. And I agree, he is too stubborn to be a good father probably. and if we had had a dc, I would be trying to stop the baby 'annoying daddy who is doing important work in his study'.

ok now I am getting a bit a rant going - he didn't like lamps or cushions and would discuss holidays or days out. He just wanted to save money and write about Ww2.

I actually feel quite relieved having not seen him which is sad but enlightening too. Maybe I can finally be myself again...

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dazedandconfused1980 · 16/12/2014 15:35

... whatever that is Confused

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Nomama · 16/12/2014 15:51

So, now you have a different letter to write! Again maybe never to be sent. But get it all down on paper... YOU YOU YOU! What is it YOU feel, think, want need?

And tell him plainly what your decision is. But don't be nasty, that might prey on your mind a while. Just say something along the lines that after your last discussion you have thought things through and have come to some important decisions for yourself and that...

Again, good luck !

AdoraBell · 16/12/2014 15:54

You say he likes to bring things up in the 'right way' and at the 'appropriate time' but that just means he has control. You can't bring up a topic for conversation because you know, because you've learned over the last 10 years, that you have to wait for him to decide that a conversation can take place.

That's all it is. He has control because in his head he knows best. At 10 years older does he ever, even Occasionaly, sound like he is addressing a child when you discuss things in the 'right way' at the 'appropriate time' as dictated by him?

Well done on planning Christmas the way you have. I think your mum is right and you should concentrate on the rest of your life from now and leave him to get on with his.

pinkfrocks · 16/12/2014 15:56

he's 18 years older- 35/ 53.

Windywenceslas · 16/12/2014 16:05

Making you wait weeks to discuss issues is really odd and I'm glad you've realised this. IVF is a really tough thing to go through and if he's telling you he doesn't really want children and isn't prepared to talk about feelings, it would be even tougher.

I'm glad you're taking some control back. Your Christmas and New Year sounds idyllic. Room for one more? Xmas Grin

Greengrow · 16/12/2014 16:18

Never works when the men are older. He is probably infertile too - male fertility goes with age too. Has he been tested? Perhaps he had the snip and chose not to tell you?

mummytime · 16/12/2014 16:58

My DH isn't that much younger, but your DH sounds more like my FIL - who is considerably older.

Go out and get on with your life. Have fun!
Life is too short to be waiting all the time to just talk about the important stuff.

inlectorecumbit · 16/12/2014 18:56

Dazed how lovely to be on Scottish Island for Xmas and New Year. Not sure which one or group of islands you are on, but please take the opportunity to walk in the hills and clear your mind. hopefully the time apart will give you perspective.
You have time to start again, daunting as it sounds-new year new start don't let it be him calling all the shots.

CalleighDoodle · 16/12/2014 20:32

Hes stringing you along. It wouldnt suprise me at all if he'd had the snip. You dont get to 53 with no children if you actually want them. Youre young enough to start again.

LittleDonkeyLeftie · 16/12/2014 20:41

I also thought I bet he has had a vasectomy!

You will be far better off without him OP

Onwards and upwards with someone who wants the things you want Smile

Windywenceslas · 16/12/2014 20:57

If they've been approved for IVF he'd have had at least one sperm count done. So vasectomy is unlikely.

SolidGoldBrass · 16/12/2014 21:18

Like a lot of misogynist losers, this inadequate man picked out a much younger woman to marry, because a woman his own age would have seen through his bullshit much more quickly. Your marriage has always been about him being the brilliant, superior one that you had to obey and placate because you were a silly little girl.

It might be worth examining, later on, why you fell for his bullshit in the first place - did you grow up with a rotten dad, or no dad?

For the moment, divorce this knob and give yourself some time and space to decide what you want out of life. Good luck.

GirlWithaPearlEarring · 16/12/2014 21:34

I start projects and don’t finish them

So it's not just me that gets hit with that one then! My DH uses this when he hasn't got a leg to stand on, and he needs to grab at something to look better. Your DH uses it about your short stories. Mine uses it about my sewing projects which often linger around for years err...months before being consigned to the place I can forget them-- completed to my satisfaction.

Fortunately I can see through it. But it still hurts though. See it as a ploy to put you down when he has nothing else to hit you with. Then dismiss it. You'll feel better!

dazedandconfused1980 · 16/12/2014 22:17

thanks all. didn't mean to disappear. I will update soon. really appreciate all your input - I have not been able to trust my own judgement in a long time.

solid - yes my dad was an abusive alcoholic who died when I was 21. I met my dh two years later so I suppose it wouldn't be outlandish to link the two.

i just wish relationships didn't need to be about 'who has the power'. I don't think I will ever be able to relax or be myself in a relationship again. Who knows though.

Night all x

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HellKitty · 16/12/2014 22:28

Relationships are not about the power. They are about mutual respect and consideration. Not every man is power crazed enough to want the upper hand, you just got unlucky.
Don't expect every man to be the same as him, you'll find your lobster Smile

dazedandconfused1980 · 19/12/2014 22:37

hi all, if anyone is there, just to say that he emailed a three page document which reads a bit like a report card Hmm. it basically is a (reverse) sh*t sandwich with bad (i had depressio and he thinks that if we had a child I would get pnd) , followed by good (i am a kind, intelligent person), followed by bad (he's enjoyed the time to himself). he's also left the email open ended.

I am scared because I think he is trying to force me to leave him - and he can then take the moral high ground/accept no blame and have a greater say over our home.

I therefore don't want to meet with him because I think he will try and get me to agree to things that won't be in my long term interest. He ia very money oriented and owns two other flats outright - but I think he is going to try and hang on to the one we share a mortgage on. but that flat means everything to me... i am so scared.

I am also do disappointed as he has had three weeks to reflect on our marriage but all he has come up with is a list of his feelings, with no insight/mention of his own contribution. my mum says he is just like the character of 'Mr bounderby' in Hard Times, if anyone.is familiar with Dickens? it all seems such a cliche...

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dazedandconfused1980 · 19/12/2014 22:38

hi all, if anyone is there, just to say that he emailed a three page document which reads a bit like a report card Hmm. it basically is a (reverse) sh*t sandwich with bad (i had depressio and he thinks that if we had a child I would get pnd) , followed by good (i am a kind, intelligent person), followed by bad (he's enjoyed the time to himself). he's also left the email open ended.

I am scared because I think he is trying to force me to leave him - and he can then take the moral high ground/accept no blame and have a greater say over our home.

I therefore don't want to meet with him because I think he will try and get me to agree to things that won't be in my long term interest. He ia very money oriented and owns two other flats outright - but I think he is going to try and hang on to the one we share a mortgage on. but that flat means everything to me... i am so scared.

I am also do disappointed as he has had three weeks to reflect on our marriage but all he has come up with is a list of his feelings, with no insight/mention of his own contribution. my mum says he is just like the character of 'Mr bounderby' in Hard Times, if anyone.is familiar with Dickens? it all seems such a cliche...

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