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Please help me with what to say to DH

101 replies

russellgrantschin · 21/11/2014 15:49

This is along the lines of the porn ultimatum thread and I think the thread got me thinking about it, but now everything's gotten out of control. I have a similar boundary about something in my relationship where DH did it once and we broke up for a while and I was so upset that I thought I made it clear if he ever did it again then we would be over. (He didn't cheat on me, by the way.)

I mentioned the porn thread to him today and he was saying how he felt sorry for the OP's DH. I told him that I understood her position. That if she had made it clear and he had agreed and than transgressed that agreement out of respect for herself and her values, she should leave him.

I added "and the same with you and what we agreed when you did X." Well, DH hit the roof and accused me of threatening him. I said it is not a threat, just something I have been very clear on my feelings about and out if respect for myself I couldn't put up with it if you did it again.

He said "so you would leave me?" I said "yes. It's something I have very strong values over."

And he said "fine. I will not be threatened. I am going to do it right now and we'll see if you leave me shall we?"

I said "do what you want. I have made my position clear."

He then accused me of being controlling and superficial to throw our relationship away over something so small that he didn't even enjoy doing (he maintains that he doesn't enjoy it) That I would throw away a marriage and a DC over a scenario where right now he went and did what I didn't like would be the most pathetic thing ever.

We have left it with him saying he is going to do it, to test me. He has walked out of the house, presumably to do it.

I am in shock as we were laughing and joking about 3 mins before this came up. He is a great DH but seems very upset by what he perceives as this "threat."

What should I do or say now?

OP posts:
russellgrantschin · 21/11/2014 17:16

DH didn't think the porn OP's husband was justified, he just thought she shouldn't be throwing a marriage away over it. Several other posters thought that too.

OP posts:
TheHermitCrab · 21/11/2014 17:16

Eustasiavye - I agree with you in principle.. my only suggestion is he has no intention of going... and he is sick to the back teeth of her bringing it up (especially if it's always in this manner - a subject which leads into talking about him)

The issue with him visiting once for a stag do should have been sorted when they broke up and decided to start again.

BUT if for some reason it is still bothering her - she should be bringing it up in a calm and sensible manner - not using MN threads.

But really... he's already said he doesn't like them, and won't go, what more can he say.

He just sounds like a person who has snapped.

Or has a real anger problem and had a strop - but then that should reflect in more things than this issue.

Jan45 · 21/11/2014 17:18

Russell, the OP has said he felt sorry for him.

Jan45 · 21/11/2014 17:20

No offence but he is hardly going to tell his OH he went to a strip club and had a great time.

googoodolly · 21/11/2014 17:21

OP, have you brought it up with him before?

flatbellyfella · 21/11/2014 17:21

I don't think you are being controlling , it shows how deep your hurt & feelings were when you first discovered what he was doing, & that's not gone away.

russellgrantschin · 21/11/2014 17:22

jan my DH felt sorry for the DH on the porn thread because the OP was throwing their marriage away. Not felt sorry for him being caught out using porn.

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mynewpassion · 21/11/2014 17:25

If op felt that much hurt, then she should have left the relationship. If he's respected her feelings and have not been to a strip club since then it's her fault. No one wants to have it jammed down their throats if it hasn't happened again.

Wombat22 · 21/11/2014 17:36

This is what the OP said on page 1

russellgrantschin Fri 21-Nov-14 15:52:02
Just to add so I am giving both sides, I was very hung up on and angry about this thing for a long time. I probably brought it up more than I should have and punished him for it for longer than I should have ( having said I was going to let it go.) I know he is worn down by my going on about it and I can't seem to leave it alone.

It seems the thread was just another chance to have a go at him and it's not surprising really that he got angry.
I hope you manage to resolve it Thanks

NoDecentNamesLeft · 21/11/2014 18:05

It seems the thread was just another chance to have a go at him and it's not surprising really that he got angry.

Im with Wombat.

TheHermitCrab · 21/11/2014 18:05

Jan he may not say he loved it but on the same note why bother even talking to him about it if all you expect is a lie.

TheHermitCrab · 21/11/2014 18:12

To me it looks like he got to breaking point over a subject you wouldny let lie and he said some things on anger he won't take action upon. But thinks if you don't trust him when he's stuck to his agreement with you then why bother? I mean its not like he had a strip club "habit" a lot of guys end up in one on a stag do when they don't particularly want to (some even go home, because it's not their thing or its a waste of money, not cheap places!) But its not something you regularly come into contact with unless you actually frequent them. Give him a break.

TheHermitCrab · 21/11/2014 18:13

(I mean give him a break on the subject and stop bringing it up) you both need to apologise for your actions and chill out together not stew somewhere separate x

russellgrantschin · 21/11/2014 18:15

We have both calmed down now. DH's initial (admittedly extreme) reaction, I think, was frustration that I had brought the whole strip club thing up again. I actually followed some of your advice to the letter. I didn't apologise, I just admitted that I shouldn't have brought the porn thing up to make a point and led him to believe he was discussing something else when actually it had a different significance to me. I reiterated that the strip club point for me was still a value that I had and, whether he went into one for 5 minutes or not to prove a point, I would still not approve of him supporting the sex industry and I couldn't be with someone like that.

He was calmer in his response and said it was unfair that there are things he could do that would make me leave him and said that there was nothing I could do that would make him leave me. I said that was idealistic and it was healthy to have boundaries. So, we're getting more sensible now...

Thank you for your responses.

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mynewpassion · 21/11/2014 18:25

Are you going to continue bringing it up?

russellgrantschin · 21/11/2014 18:33

I'm going to have to let it go. I just don't know how.

He says I have imagined and assumed a lot of untrue things about him based on this one instance. Eg that he must like a certain type of woman, that he had been before that time he went for the stag do etc.

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JugglingFromHereToThere · 21/11/2014 18:42

Sounds much better russell - hopefully not a deal breaker for either of you x

Sprink · 21/11/2014 18:45

In honour of the late, great Mike Nichols, I shall quote his widow, Diane Sawyer: 'Marriage should be a competition of generosity.'

Who's winning here? All the best to OP.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 21/11/2014 18:50

But you ARE with someone like that, OP. He DID do that. You keep bringing it up and he said that he would 'test you'. He thinks you're ridiculous, obviously.

It's up to you if you stay with him or not but either draw a line with him, forgive him and move on - or leave. Up to you. I would find you very hard work and actually lacking in conviction.

Don't issue an ultimatum again unless you're prepared to go through with it.

Tobyjugg · 21/11/2014 18:56

My immediate reaction is to say drop it. Both of you. He's not actually breached your boundary. This is all hypothetical.

HotDogJumpingFrogAlburquerque · 21/11/2014 18:58

Very mature OP.

russellgrantschin · 21/11/2014 19:06

Lyingwitchinthewardrobe my conviction hasn't been tested yet. I would lack conviction if he'd gone this afternoon and I hadn't followed through, but he didn't.

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Coyoacan · 21/11/2014 19:36

I am totally against the sex industry, but when I was young I did, as a woman, visit a strip club, just to know what people were talking about and because I felt the need to experience lots of things first hand.

There all kinds of reasons why someone might go to a strip club and a friend's stag night is a very difficult situation to refuse to go along with.

Vivacia · 21/11/2014 19:44

I'm pleased to hear that you've both calmed down and been able to discuss this reasonably.

I think you need to drop it now. I think of all the stupid things I've said and done and thank my lucky stars that DP has forgiven, accepted, forgotten.. .

Fairenuff · 21/11/2014 20:08

He was calmer in his response and said it was unfair that there are things he could do that would make me leave him and said that there was nothing I could do that would make him leave me.

Really?

So he wouldn't leave if you, say, went out on a date with another man? Had a full relationship with another man, alongside your marriage? Or just went out random shagging every Saturday night?

He is bullshitting you OP. Of course he has his own boundaries, everyone does.

You were very clear the first time that you would not tolerate this in your relationship. He wanted to test you. He obviously doesn't really think you mean it. He is not showing you respect, he is trying to make you admit that you are wrong and foolish.

You're not. You are just stating your boundaries and sticking to it. Nothing wrong with that. As you say, that's how healthy relationships work.

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