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Dividing chores when you have a toddler. Or maybe a relationship + PND thread, I dunno

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DaddyDumkins · 10/11/2014 15:25

Hi, I'm a long-time lurker, could do with advice and sense of perspective. DD is coming up to 18 months old. I work f/t, DP is SAHM. Things seem to be going downhill.

I do pretty much all the cooking and washing up, and all laundry, bins, tidying, hoovering etc, and sorting out the bills, rent, etc. We did (at my insistence) split things, e,g. I'll be responsible for arranging electric, phone/internet and rent; you do council tax and water bill. But after those didn't get paid for a while I ended up doing them. I don't think I have high standards - I did try relaxing and ignoring the washing up (like DP said to) for two weeks, but at the end of the two weeks there was a big pile of washing up and some meat sitting on chopping boards, so me and her mum spent an evening cleaning it.

I have a flexible job which means that I can stay at home to help, but then I'm storing up trouble for later (e.g. I can do no work now, and it won't show up until my contract doesn't get renewed because I haven't got enough done). Plus, if I stay at home and look after DD so that DP can get some housework done, or look for a job, or something else she wants to do, then she spends the time either in bed or watching things on Youtube or Buzzfeed etc. So it's bad for my job and doesn't achieve anything anyway.

So instead I've tried to concentrate on work and leave the housework till the evenings, which just leaves DP to do the childcare and fixing meals for her and DD while I'm out. But that's not working either. E.g. as I left for work this morning (late!), DD was up and running around the bedroom, while DP was on her iPad. So they didn't get to playgroup until 20 mins before the end. Now it's 2pm and they haven't had lunch yet. DP hasn't made anything, and is talking about going to the cafe downstairs, which we can't afford every day. And anyway now there's no chance she'll have lunch, then a nap, then get out of the flat before it gets dark. This isn't a bad day - it's normal or even a comparatively good day. Quite a lot of days they don't get out of the flat at all, and still haven't thought about cooking tea when I get home at 7 or later. So then I end up cooking, and still have to do the washing up and the rest afterwards.

Now DD is going to a nursery 1 day a week (which we can't afford on my pay, so using up savings) so that DP can do other things, start looking for a job, etc. But so far she hasn't done anything with those days, just had a long lie in and played on the iPad and things.

We can't seem to talk about it. If I say anything too early it's "I'm doing it, stop hassling me". If I say anything late in the day then it's "Sorry, yes I know. Next time it'll be better." But it never is. FWIW it's not just me that's worried - her mum wanted her to go to the docs too. So she went to the GP about PND, and did the (Edinburgh?) questionnaire. She came out borderline, just under the score for cause for concern. She went to another docs (we moved in the meantime) and it was pretty much the same. So it doesn't seem to be a PND thing exactly.

Please can someone tell me IABU, or that I'm being controlling about things (e.g. I'm worried about DD not getting attention, or proper food, but maybe that's being obsessive), or that this is all normal, or something? And if it's not, is there anything I can do? Getting worked up about it clearly isn't working, but I feel like things are getting a bit desperate now. I alternate between feeling worried about DP, and feeling like she's just being lazy and leaving me to do most of the work.

DD breastfeeds a bit still, especially to sleep most nights. That was probably a pretty important detail to leave out! So maybe I'm really misrepresenting how much work DP does. But anyway, I guess that's one of the things I'm asking. There's probably more relevant info/backstory about how things got to this point, but it's already long and rambling!

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GoneGirlGone · 15/11/2014 10:47

Tough situation. If she is on the iPad as much as you say when you are present I would worry thay she is on it pretty much non stop all day, hence no jobs being done, hungry baby etc

tomatoplantproject · 15/11/2014 11:46

I've been lurking on this because your situation is reminding me of a close friend of mine (who has turned a corner recently) and have just had a thought - if you can get dd to take in more food and nutrients during the day she shouldn't need to feed so much at night time. It may take some work and lots of support to break the feeding cycles she is currently in though.

As an aside, my friend now has timetables and a weekly menu plan on the fridge, has just weaned her ds and has started going to local toddler groups in an attempt to meet more people locally. Her ds is 16 mo so similar age.

ShatterResistant · 15/11/2014 12:49

Yes, a weekly meal plan is a great idea. You could even do it for her, and make sure she has all the ingredients. Then she doesn't even need to think about it.

APlaceInTheWinter · 16/11/2014 22:38

I hope your night out and chat went well.

DaddyDumkins · 17/11/2014 09:43

Thank you for checking. It didn't go very well.

We had quite a nice time on Friday night because I did manage to shut up and stop nagging.

On Saturday I said my piece about doing x y and z and nothing else, and trusting DP to take care of DD and the rest. I don't think she was even listening, I think I've just nagged so much that it's just noise now.

I should have shut up and left it. We had quite a nice time on Saturday evening, although when we got home she was back on the iPad and I wanted to talk and cuddle, and I couldn't keep my gob shut so it got a bit huffy.

Tried to do the meal plan, we got a couple of days filled in after a while. I ended up doing the actual cooking but that's okay because it was the weekend. Hopefully today will be good, DP is going to have coffee with another mum this morning.

Last night DP was changing DD and DD was squirming around like she always does and DP smacked her. I started shouting, which I have never done before.

I don't think she's depressed. I think Betsy is right. But it's not just physical tiredness, she just seems to have so little left.

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APlaceInTheWinter · 17/11/2014 11:08

Oh, dear. It sounds like wading through treacle.

Would it be worth suggesting your DP start her own thread on MN? She might find it easier to ask for help/advice from strangers on the internet. Also, she might know where she thinks the problems are coming from eg relationships; MH; BF, etc, and she can choose the relevant section to post in. In RL she might be scared to admit she isn't coping or she might be worried about SS getting involved. The anonymity of the internet might help her.

You seem to be trying so hard and yet it's odd, I don't have the impression of you both working as a team. It's as though you're always trying to highlight the problems and bring solutions, and then she just goes along with it (in theory but not in practice). It's odd that she's never raising issues or suggesting how things could change. I think, at the point, I was absolutely shattered from BF, my DP would have known that was the problem because I was crying with tiredness and telling him I was exhausted.

DaddyDumkins · 18/11/2014 19:52

Oh, dear. It sounds like wading through treacle.

Yes that is exactly what it is like!

Would it be worth suggesting your DP start her own thread on MN?

Thanks, yes I will suggest that. If she can't be bothered then I'll write it for her: "My DP is being an arse. I am tired after 18 months with PFB and a bit stuck in a rut. I can't seem to motivate myself to do anything much, but that's normal, right? Some days DD and I don't leave the flat, and we don't have proper meals. But I breastfeed her loads, including at night, and she seems basically fine. Don't people say that if you get through the day and all the kids are still alive then it's a success? DD watches more Peppa Pig than she should and DP does most of the housework, but half of that is because he's just discovered a new zeal for it and it's something to obsess about. He posted about sharing chores on here, a couple of people said it was neglectful not to take DD out and cook meals bang on time, and now he's worked up about that too. He just keeps going on and on about everything, and the more he nags, the more I just can't give a shit. The latest is that I've had a couple of small glasses of Baileys each evening for a few days, and now he thinks I'm becoming an alcoholic. I know I need to get myself going, but why won't he just shut the fuck up and let me do it at my own pace?"

It's odd that she's never raising issues or suggesting how things could change. I think, at the point, I was absolutely shattered from BF, my DP would have known that was the problem because I was crying with tiredness and telling him I was exhausted.

That's one of the things that bothers me actually. Her mum said DP felt a bit "numb", I think that was how she had described it herself, but it could have been mum's interpretation, I can't remember now. She does acknowledge that something's a bit wrong, but thinks I'm blowing it out of proportion. She's probably right! Oh well, meeting with the HV tomorrow.

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Betsy003 · 18/11/2014 20:03

Good luck with HVSmile

Feeling flat. Yes I think if you could both crack the sleeping, she'd start to be perkier.

APlaceInTheWinter · 19/11/2014 18:13

How odd that you mocked up what your DP would say! The point I was trying to make, obviously not well, was that she might have a completely different perspective on what's going on - which tbh might not actually mention you that much at all, or might mention a crisis point that you're not aware of.

Oh well, I hope the HV can help.

DaddyDumkins · 19/11/2014 20:43

I didn't think it was that odd! Was only a joke, just trying to make light of it all/see things from the other side.

HV suggested trying to crack feeding/regular meals first. I feel slightly helpless as that's something I've been trying to get on top of and it's just not happening, as it's basically down to DP to give her them in the day, but maybe it will now. Perhaps it's different coming from the HV. DD's weight was right where it should be though. The HV did say what I already knew and was going on about, that DD really needs wider range of nutrients from solid food. But again maybe different coming from HV. And anyway knowing weight and development okay makes it easier to relax.

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DaddyDumkins · 19/11/2014 20:45

Forgot to say: thanks v much for checking in. Much appreciated, even if I'm just rambling/going round in circles!

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