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DH has just stormed out

75 replies

cardamomginger · 05/10/2014 18:22

There is a long backstory to all of this, and I'm trying to get DD sorted, so this may inadvertently end up being a bit of a drip feed, but I will do my best to get everything down.

DH and I have not been getting along well for a long time. There have been lots of stresses and strains in the last 6 years or so including his redundancy, thinking we were going to need IVF, me sustaining multiple serious birth injuries when I had DD 4 years ago and needing 5 operatons. All in all it's been pretty shit.

Be all that as it may, DH, whilst he is good in a crisis, he is pretty crap on the day to day stuff. He doesn't really seem to want to do stuff with me, and has tended to view me as a bit of an inconvenience. For the last few year he has worked long hours, including when he has been at home, and has also chosen other projects to work on (more on this later) and when he's not doing either of these, he chooses to sit in his office and watch Top Gear or other similar stuff on his computer. Never a question of doing anything with me. I've now given up and no longer ask.

One of these additional projects has been the renovation of the house we now live in. He insisted, and with absolutely no discussion of the subject with me after we purchased this house, on designing the entire think himself. It was a massive project - changing a small 3 bed semi plus garage into a 5 bed with a 2-storey wrap around side extension and a loft conversion. He wanted it to be 'perfect' and trusts no one, so he decided to do the whole thing himself. Despite the fact he has no training. To cut a ling story short, it took 4 and a half years from purchase to moving in. If he had employed people to assist, we could have shaved 18 months to 2 years off this. During this time, we were living in his tiny 1.5 bed flat. I got pregnant, we had DD, I was very ill with my injuries. She was over 3 when we moved out. Throughout he has been almost revolutionary in his zeal about this. The end - ie.e the perfect - justifies all means and all pain and inconvenience. My thoughts, opinions and desires werenever asked for and were ignored when given. Yes, he will say that he has consulted me. And he has. About paint finishes and the like. But not about any of the major procedural decisions. When we moved in, and I foudn the whole thing quite emotional and difficult, he asked me what my problem was because he had 'given' me a house.

So we have been in since January and the perfect house is very far from it in many ways. One key problem is that the wall of glass he deisgned at the rear lets in huge amounts of sunshine meaning the rooms at the back become very incomfortable and stifling. Another problem is that the windows he chose are very hard to fit blinds or curtains - the size, the structure, the materials used. It's a nightmare.

We finally found a blind that woudl work on at least some of these windows. Rather than going through a company that would measure, design and fit, he wanted to do it himself dircectly with a manufacturer. Well, we have had them here for a couple of months now (another gripe I have is that he has no time to finish things - which is fine, but then why insist on doing it all yourself in the first place?). He came to fit them this afternoon and they are 15 cm too short. The too-sort measurement is stated on the packaging and on the order confirmation. They are made to measure.

I flipped. All the angst and frankly anger over this whole bloody house fiasco came out. Why didn't he check? Why does it all have to take so much time because he wants to do it all himself? We still have no other blinds or curtains in anyof the rooms, and it is drving me nuts. But, no, DH has to sort it all out himself in excruciatingly minute detail and it doesn't matter how long everyone has to wait. He got really angry. Why can't I be supportive? And he stormed out of the house.

DD was very distressed and tried to run after him. She calmed down quite quickly, but I foud her reaction pretty hard to take (although perfectly understandable). DH is back now. He's not spoken to me, but has spent time with DD.

I'm still having trauma therapy for all the birth related stuff. I've been aware for about a year now that at some point i HAVE to DO something about the relationship. Whether it is to try and mend it via counselling or to try and end it. I've been too scared to make that move. Even going for counselling feels like too much. I just don't have the strength right now. Feels like a gaping chasm and I just can't go there yet.

Don't know what will happen after this row. I'm sure I am expected to apologise, say how wrong I was, and that yes of course I understand and of course I support him 100%. But that would all be a lie.

Have to be with DD and watch Frozen now. She needs some fuss. If I'm not back for a bit, I haven't gone AWOL. Thanks for reading, if you've got this far.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 05/10/2014 18:35

Having had a building project of my own going on for three months earlier this year (using professionals) and having got a bit tetchy in the process, I think you must have huge amounts of patience if you've only snapped now, four years on.

How ARROGANT is he? To steamroller this project without your involvement, cock it up, drag it out and then have the cheek to tell you to be grateful. Hmm There's no respect, no partnership.... How do other disagreements get dealt with?

Definitely don't apologise. Get him to remove the glass wall instead

cardamomginger · 05/10/2014 18:40

Get dealt with badly. He's right, I'm wrong. He is arrogant and stubborn and will not budge. I've tried logic, anger, pleading, bargaining. Everything. He'd lived in his flat for about 18 years before I moved in. It took 4 years before he'd consent to blinds in the bedroom. I hate what I've become in this marriage.

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cardamomginger · 05/10/2014 18:41

It's not patience, it's a sense of futility and emptiness.

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longest · 05/10/2014 18:48

Oh fuck it OP, i was married to a guy like this. Just expects you to go along with whatever he wants and fuck anyone else who has a opinion.

If you cannot find your voice in this relationship you have to leave. You are a PERSON! You cannot just be ignored!

Your DH sounds like an arrogant arsehole. It must be utterly demoralising to live like this.

43percentburnt · 05/10/2014 18:50

Why does he not want help? To save money? Because he hates having people help? He is worried they will cock it up? So he can say he did it? Or? Put up the short blinds for now. Why does he think he gets to make all the decisions?

IAmAShitHotLawyer · 05/10/2014 18:50

I don't want to state the obvious but could you not just organise the blind fitting yourself?

longest · 05/10/2014 18:58

It's sounds like the DH won't let OP sort any of it out.

OP what would your DH do if you just did it? Would he flip? Or be glad of the help?

Have you got yourself stuck in a rut whereby he does it all and because you don't feel in control of any of it you just let him? In which case it might be you stopping yourself from getting more involved and maybe heading some of these rows off before they happen.

At the very least could this argument be a catalyst to talk about wider issues with him?

cardamomginger · 05/10/2014 18:58

Longest - I know. It can't be like this for me or for DD.
43 - money, not trusting people, thinking he'll get screwed. I don't know why he feels he can ignore me like this. Just his unshakeable belief that he is always right.
IAm - because the world would end if I did something against his wishes.

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Twinklestein · 05/10/2014 19:01

While you're deciding whether to leave him I would buy some blackout material online, some blu-tack, cut it up and stick it on the flipping windows.

I would also buy a portable air-con unit for the back room.

This relationship isn't working is it. You can't really have a relationship with someone who has to control everything, there's no give and take.

AnyFucker · 05/10/2014 19:06

Leave.

Let him enjoy his big fat white elephant by himself for a while. It's all for him at the end if the day anyway isn't it ?

If that doesn't focus his mind on what is truly important nothing will

Other than that, give Kevin McCloud a call and we can all point and laugh at his ego driven ridiculousness

longest · 05/10/2014 19:07

Exactly. You're not a team. You can't have a relationship where one person controls and the other just gets dragged about.

What is it teaching your dd about relationships? What advice would you give to her if she were you?

RandomMess · 05/10/2014 19:07

What do you need/want from this thread?

Is it support to call time on the marriage because it doesn't sound like a marriage to me Sad.

cardamomginger · 05/10/2014 19:08

I know. I know! I know!! I'm just delaying the inevitable. I'm so scared. I can't believe that this has turned into my life.

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Fairylea · 05/10/2014 19:10

Do you have equal access to money? If you do (and you should, and equal spending money) I would just go over his head and arrange the blinds yourself for now. And then tell him all this crap has to stop and you want to be an equal decision making partner in this or you are walking because you have had enough.

I would definitely recommend you threaten to leave. It's really stressful for all of you, I'm not sure it can get any worse.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 05/10/2014 19:11

You're not involved in any decision-making because you're an irrelevance, and that's why he's unpleasant when you voice an opinion. You're purely his housekeeper who provides the child-care. I cannot conceive of what it must be like to live in a home over which you have had absolutely no say in whatsoever.

I suggest you go for some counselling on your own. No couples counselling at all as I don't think it would be helpful or constructive. It would just be another opportunity for him to steamroller you.

He sounds utterly vile. Does he have any good attributes at all?

cardamomginger · 05/10/2014 19:11

I don't know what I need from the thread. I've been posting bits and pieces every so often for a while. Always with the line 'at some point I'll be posting properly in Relationships'.

I guess I needed somewhere to park this. And just in case this is the catalyst that begins The End.

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longest · 05/10/2014 19:13

OP the hardest bit is deciding to call time.

Once you make the decision, and once you're physically apart it's a breeze compared to the misery of being in a crap marriage. Honestly. Things can only get better Smile

Twinklestein · 05/10/2014 19:14

It's actually a new beginning...

Castlemilk · 05/10/2014 19:14

You hate what you've become in the marriage?

To him, it sounds as if you were never anything but what you are now - something somewhere between an employee and a mildly annoying relative.

He does not understand the first thing about what marriage and partnership means, never has by the sound of it, and never will.

Yes I would leave before your DD is any older.

You will never be an equal partner with someone like this. There is a limit to how long you can pretend that the love and respect isn't being gradually destroyed in a relationship like this. Sounds like you are at that point. It's not that it's getting worse, or that you have become anything different. It's because you simply can't pretend any more.

Don't waste any more of your life like this.

RandomMess · 05/10/2014 19:15

I really think it needs to be. I agree that you go and get some counselling you need to work through why you have allowed youself to think this is all you're worth.

Where and why did the strong confident woman you used to be disappear?

Castlemilk · 05/10/2014 19:15

Oh and before you do anything - make sure you have all financial information. Sounds he's the kind of tight selfish bastard who will pull out all the stops to make sure you end up without a penny of your joint assets if he possibly can.

Twinklestein · 05/10/2014 19:16

Your husband has no idea how to function in a marriage. He sounds like one of those loner types who basically lives in in his own world. He may have mates but he probably communicate with them any more meaningfully than he does with you. I also question whether he actually likes women, I suspect not, so don't take his disregard for you personally, he would be exactly the same with another woman.

cardamomginger · 05/10/2014 19:17

Bitter - that's pretty much it. I am The Help. In all other ways I am an irrelevance. He loves and likes the Idea of me, but doesn't seem to care for the lived reality.

I am getting counselling. Still having trauma therapy for birth stuff. She knows about DH and we do occasionally talk about it.

I don't know what his good points are any more. I've been doing a PhD and have just switched back down to an MPhil. He is supportive about all if this. But actually when I examine it more closely, he doesn't care what I do, as long as DD and house are taken care of, because what I do and what I want to do isn't important to him.

It's all pretty isn't, isn't it?

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Twinklestein · 05/10/2014 19:18

probably doesn't communicate with them ^^

ChippingInLatteLover · 05/10/2014 19:25

I hate what I've become in this marriage :(

You need to get out. It's not fixable. I'm not sure how you got where you are - frankly, I'd have been 'out' at the 'it took 4 years to get blinds in the flat'. We currently don't have any blinds/curtains/anything because we're renovating as it doesn't bother us... but if it bothered anyone else, I'd get some cheap ones until it was finished and I got the proper ones. It's manners/consideration/love/thoughtfulness. He's lacking all of those things.

He's very selfish, arrogant and obnoxious - you & DD deserve so so so much more. Yes she will miss him at first, BUT she's tiny, she'll soon forget what it was like when you all lived together and get used to the new 'normal'.

You can do it, don't be scared x You should be far more scared of staying!