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DH has just stormed out

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cardamomginger · 05/10/2014 18:22

There is a long backstory to all of this, and I'm trying to get DD sorted, so this may inadvertently end up being a bit of a drip feed, but I will do my best to get everything down.

DH and I have not been getting along well for a long time. There have been lots of stresses and strains in the last 6 years or so including his redundancy, thinking we were going to need IVF, me sustaining multiple serious birth injuries when I had DD 4 years ago and needing 5 operatons. All in all it's been pretty shit.

Be all that as it may, DH, whilst he is good in a crisis, he is pretty crap on the day to day stuff. He doesn't really seem to want to do stuff with me, and has tended to view me as a bit of an inconvenience. For the last few year he has worked long hours, including when he has been at home, and has also chosen other projects to work on (more on this later) and when he's not doing either of these, he chooses to sit in his office and watch Top Gear or other similar stuff on his computer. Never a question of doing anything with me. I've now given up and no longer ask.

One of these additional projects has been the renovation of the house we now live in. He insisted, and with absolutely no discussion of the subject with me after we purchased this house, on designing the entire think himself. It was a massive project - changing a small 3 bed semi plus garage into a 5 bed with a 2-storey wrap around side extension and a loft conversion. He wanted it to be 'perfect' and trusts no one, so he decided to do the whole thing himself. Despite the fact he has no training. To cut a ling story short, it took 4 and a half years from purchase to moving in. If he had employed people to assist, we could have shaved 18 months to 2 years off this. During this time, we were living in his tiny 1.5 bed flat. I got pregnant, we had DD, I was very ill with my injuries. She was over 3 when we moved out. Throughout he has been almost revolutionary in his zeal about this. The end - ie.e the perfect - justifies all means and all pain and inconvenience. My thoughts, opinions and desires werenever asked for and were ignored when given. Yes, he will say that he has consulted me. And he has. About paint finishes and the like. But not about any of the major procedural decisions. When we moved in, and I foudn the whole thing quite emotional and difficult, he asked me what my problem was because he had 'given' me a house.

So we have been in since January and the perfect house is very far from it in many ways. One key problem is that the wall of glass he deisgned at the rear lets in huge amounts of sunshine meaning the rooms at the back become very incomfortable and stifling. Another problem is that the windows he chose are very hard to fit blinds or curtains - the size, the structure, the materials used. It's a nightmare.

We finally found a blind that woudl work on at least some of these windows. Rather than going through a company that would measure, design and fit, he wanted to do it himself dircectly with a manufacturer. Well, we have had them here for a couple of months now (another gripe I have is that he has no time to finish things - which is fine, but then why insist on doing it all yourself in the first place?). He came to fit them this afternoon and they are 15 cm too short. The too-sort measurement is stated on the packaging and on the order confirmation. They are made to measure.

I flipped. All the angst and frankly anger over this whole bloody house fiasco came out. Why didn't he check? Why does it all have to take so much time because he wants to do it all himself? We still have no other blinds or curtains in anyof the rooms, and it is drving me nuts. But, no, DH has to sort it all out himself in excruciatingly minute detail and it doesn't matter how long everyone has to wait. He got really angry. Why can't I be supportive? And he stormed out of the house.

DD was very distressed and tried to run after him. She calmed down quite quickly, but I foud her reaction pretty hard to take (although perfectly understandable). DH is back now. He's not spoken to me, but has spent time with DD.

I'm still having trauma therapy for all the birth related stuff. I've been aware for about a year now that at some point i HAVE to DO something about the relationship. Whether it is to try and mend it via counselling or to try and end it. I've been too scared to make that move. Even going for counselling feels like too much. I just don't have the strength right now. Feels like a gaping chasm and I just can't go there yet.

Don't know what will happen after this row. I'm sure I am expected to apologise, say how wrong I was, and that yes of course I understand and of course I support him 100%. But that would all be a lie.

Have to be with DD and watch Frozen now. She needs some fuss. If I'm not back for a bit, I haven't gone AWOL. Thanks for reading, if you've got this far.

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cardamomginger · 06/10/2014 09:00

Well, he fixed the blinds so they do cover the length of the window. And then over dinner we had an angry discussion where I said some of the stuff I've posted and he largely disagreed and said a whole load of stuff about how I am not nice to him and no longer respect him. Which, to be fair, is probably true.

I mentioned going for relationship counselling. I said that as I saw it unless we try and fix things our options were: 1. to become more and more unhappy, and to make DD unhappy. 2. that one of us will decide we've had enough and we'll split up.

We didn't really resolve that issue or make a plan. I'm still going ahead with My Plan, which I guess I can do in tandem with any attempts at fixing things.

Feel tired and depleted. And fed up.

Silvery - that sounds bloody awful!
Mo - no, he doesn't have Aspergers, or similar. He's just a PITA.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 06/10/2014 09:03

Relationship counselling relies on both parties acknowledging there is a problem and - crucially - being prepared to modify themselves in pursuit of a solution. He doesn't sound like either applies.

cardamomginger · 06/10/2014 09:14

I know. That's why I've been reluctant to pursue this option thus far. I realise that going for counselling could precipitate a split and that I have to be prepared for that. I just haven't been ready or felt strong enough for that. If we are going to split, I want to be in the best position possible, and at the moment I am not.

No, he doesn't like modifying himself. He thinks that just stating that his version is the correct one and that I need to modify my thinking is enough.

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DorothyBastard · 06/10/2014 09:14

I grew up in a house where there was a lot of DIY, and quite a gendered split of work, but it was nothing like this. My DDad did all the work, but my DM's opinion was always solicited and they made the decisions together. They respect each other.

Your H's vanity project, and controlling bulldozing just show he has no respect for you at all. It sounds like you are perpetrating your own parent's relationship, with you in your Dad's role.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 06/10/2014 09:18

"He thinks that just stating that his version is the correct one and that I need to modify my thinking is enough."

All bullies think this. Hmm I would strongly suggest that you assume a split is on the horizon and therefore get legal and other practical advice. See what the score is properly rather than making assumptions or guessing. You will never be in a 'best position possible'.... there is never a good time to end a marriage... but the information alone will give you the strength of knowing you have other options. That will help you stand up to this bully.

cardamomginger · 06/10/2014 09:44

Dorothy - the roles and dynamic of my parents' marriage was very different to what is happening with my and DH. And the wholly inappropriate role I was expected to play as a child (and adult) is very different to the appropriate role our very much loved DD has. My father was a willing enabler of my mother, where he helped, facilitated and encouraged her behaviour. I am not like this and I do not do this. The only similarity is that this is an unhappy situation - but then another dissimilarity is that I do not want DD to grow up with unhappy parents and thinking that this is normal and acceptable.

Cogito - Yup! So on with The Plan!

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 06/10/2014 10:07

He sounds impossible to live with. I think having a shit hot solicitor's number on speed dial when you're ready to exit is a very good thing.

ChippingInLatteLover · 06/10/2014 10:20

I think you only need two of your ducks lined up really. One is your consultants appointment & the other is the paperwork sorted out.

I think anything other than that is stalling, yes :(

Wbat do you think?

ChippingInLatteLover · 06/10/2014 10:21

I think seeing the SHS (Shit Hot Solicitor) now should be the plan. Ask her what 'ducks' she thinks you need sorted & how.

cardamomginger · 06/10/2014 10:30

Chipping - dunno. I think having passed my driving test is pretty important, as is having a car. I am financially dependent on DH, and yes, whilst I could rectify that and get a job if I had to, said job might not enable me to continue with driving lessons or get a car. Life on my own with DD and no car would be hard and would be impossible if we send her to the the school that we want her to go to. I don't want her to not have that opportunity because I rushed a decision and put myself, and therefore her, in an unfavourable position (and DH won't be able to take and collect her - quite reasonably, I see that this is not workable. The odd day, maybe, but not 5 days a week.)
Also, I may have to kiss goodbye to the MPhil. This is important to me personally, and as it involves producing a piece of work that is of obvious practical use, it could help my employment prospects. I'm 43, I've been out of the workforce for about 5 years now, I didn't have any sort of a defined career path. Having a good MPhil could be a good move.
It's not SO bad that I have to leave now. So is it better to take a longer view? There may be some stalling tendencies in there, but I don't that's all there is.

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ouryve · 06/10/2014 10:33

He takes controlling to a new dimension, really, doesn't he? Material belongings and his pride seem to feature way above you in his priorities :(

Agreeing about the ducks. It's the perfect weather for them, up here. Get them sorted and leave him with his eyesore.

ouryve · 06/10/2014 10:36

And I x-posted, there. If you can accept a coexistence and it's not going to provide too much of a bad atmosphere for your daughter to endure, then passing your driving test and finishing your MPhil sounds like a plan.

After all, if he's actually finished them, yet, he has plenty of spare bedrooms.

kaykayblue · 06/10/2014 10:43

I think it is sensible to get a plan in place before calling an end to things.

However, it's going to be very very easy for you to decide not to go through with it, thinking "oh well maybe things will get better now that x y z".

I don't personally think it will, as your husband sounds like an arrogant, paranoid knob end, but it's amazing what fear of the unknown can convince you of.

My point is, make a plan and do what you need to, but put a time limit on it. If you have done three out of four things in six months, then you don't wait for the fourth thing. You leave after the six months.
It might also be an incentive to crack on with whatever you need to do.

I honestly don't know how you have managed to live like this. It sounds like a nightmare.

cardamomginger · 06/10/2014 10:44

Was thinking of having chat with SHS. At the very least to find out what happens and what range of outcome I could expect with regard to DD, the house, finances in general. Knowledge is power and all that. And also it would give me a contact so if shit does hit fan I can just call SHS and give the instruction to go ahead.

Need to say something. Part of what's holding me back is that I feel so ashamed. I have been divorced before. It's 16 years ago now. We married in a rush and too young and quickly it was a disaster. I was trying to get away from my family shit, he was trying to get away from a different load of shit, and so we got married. It was additionally awful because after we realised things were really bad, but before we decided to split, we got an extremely aggressive malignant brain tumour. It was horrific. I dropped everything to care for him and nearly had a breakdown in the process. When, and only when, he was better and able to look after himself again, did I initiate divorce proceedings. I lost friends over it. They thought I hadn't been able to 'hack it' and that I had just decided to throw him away. That was so not true. And then I did the classic thing of falling in love with the first man who didn't have cancer and didn't resemble my ex. Became massively dependent very quickly and we got engaged. All went tits up and I called off the wedding with 10 days to go.

I just feel I have FUCK UP written all over me and that family and friends will say - yeah typical cardamom, couldn't make it work yet again.

My mother died 18 years ago. I had gone NC with her and we did not reconcile before her death. I'm genuinely fine with that now. My Dad and I have a relationship now, although in more recent years it has become more difficult. He does not like DH at all. He is not at astute judge of character and his opinion of DH is accidentally correct, rather than being actually correct, IYSWIM? There are all sorts of other people he doesn't like, for completely spurious and ridiculous reasons. Anyway, I just can't stand to deal with him if I split from DH. He's the sort of person who is very much emotion driven and HAS to express himself, no matter how unhelpful or downright hurtful it is.

I know neither of these reasons are reasons enough to stay in an unhappy marriage. I shouldn't give a damn what other people think. I know all that. Yet....

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ChippingInLatteLover · 06/10/2014 10:44

Yes, sorry, forgot about the driving licence & car. Those are a good 'ducks' to add to the list :)

When is your test booked for? If it's not booked, can you get it booked and fit in as many lessons as you physically can? Even if it means asking friends to have DD or booking a sitter to come and play with her.

Then get a car asap. Do you and DH have funds for that?

Do you need to sort out DD's school first? Would you not be better to get sorted first and see where you end up living?

MPhil - why do you think you would have to 'kiss it goodbye'? Lots of single parents do degrees/other study? How long will it take you to finish it if you stay as you are?

It's not SO bad that I have to leave now. So is it better to take a longer view? There may be some stalling tendencies in there, but I don't that's all there is

It's not SO bad, but it's not good either, for you or DD. There is a fine line, it's just a matter of finding the tipping point and drawing a firm line under it - and not keep adding to it.

What are your absolute ducks?
When can you achieve them?

What will they 'cost' you to get them lined up?

Then be very firm with yourself about what you have to do and what is stalling. Yes it's scary, but the thought of it is scary, much more scary than when you have actually done it. When you have done it, you just crack on with it!

I'm not trying to be 'hard' on you, but I have seen so many friends go through this. In particular my best friend. Her kids are in their 20's now and she is still lining up her ducks :( Her kids are less 'balanced' than they could have been if she had just got out when they were younger :(

cardamomginger · 06/10/2014 10:49

our - yes he does have plenty of bedrooms now!! Grin. Thanks for making me laugh!

kaykay - it really IS an incentive. Earlier, I realised I was faffing about my driving theory and just not getting on with it, because I was scared. Getting that done was one step nearer to being able to leave. I;ve knocked that on the head and I'm cracking on with it all now.

As for how I have lived with it - TBH I've been so busy being ill and having surgery (3 major and 3 minor) that I've had no capacity to do make any decision at all. I ended up with major PTSD - at my worst I was paranoid and delusional, had visual hallucinations and was suicidal Sad. Much better now Smile.

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ChippingInLatteLover · 06/10/2014 10:52

... love, there is no 'and yet'. I understand the feeling (truly I do!!) but you have to be strong, you have to push through it - it's only a feeling after all - & do what is right for you and DD. You have to be stronger than that for her.

ChippingInLatteLover · 06/10/2014 10:54

I know you have been through one fuck of a lot. it's not fair :(

cardamomginger · 06/10/2014 10:54

Chipping - I have a friend like that too Sad. Yes, I do need to think about about hierarchies of ducks - necessary, nice to have, and can do without.

I have my drving test booked for the end of the month!!!! EEEEEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!! I should be ready by then, but I'm still really not confident on 70 mph dual carriageways and then turning right. Or 4 lane roundabouts. There are a couple of test routes that do this, so I need to be up to speed (ha ha) with this. If we need to, we will postpone, but I will be through by the end of the year. Ad thank God for that. TBH lessons are becoming a massive PITA.

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scattercushion · 06/10/2014 10:57

No, they will think you are brave for changing your life and planning a new one instead of muddling along unhappily, too scared to do anything about it like them.

ChippingInLatteLover · 06/10/2014 10:58

Yay - that's not far away, you can do it :) Lessons might be a PITA but I would be booking as many as I could before the end of the month to reinforce getting DUCK1 lined up!

ChippingInLatteLover · 06/10/2014 10:58

How long to finish your MPhil?

cardamomginger · 06/10/2014 11:02

I don't know about the MPhil. Definitely be done in a year. Hopefully sooner. I have really just made the decision to switch from the PhD and have chosen the new, but related, project. Still organising first meeting with supervisor to discuss. I'm just going to blast through it. Had enough!

Thanks for the hugs Smile.

I'm going to go and do some work for a bit. Will pop back later. Thank you everyone Flowers. XXX

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TheSilveryPussycat · 06/10/2014 11:43

Is yours a kind man, underlyingly, I wonder?

As a DF he has, and always has been, hard work - speaks too bluntly and hurts people, gets the wrong end of the stick. AS has been mentioned as a possibility upthread, and these are behaviours that make me think my DF may have it.

ChippingInLatteLover · 06/10/2014 14:48

Sorry - got distracted! But fortunately you were off to do some work anyway [phew].

Ok - why can't you do your MPhil if you leave? You would get benefits while DD is still too young to go to school and he'd have to pay mtce. What would be stopping you?

I've got to go out now, but will be back later :)

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