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Living overseas and not sure I want to anymore

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most · 28/09/2006 09:44

We have been living away from home for 5.5 years now. It has been difficult but I got to know some good people and started to really enjoy life here.

Unfortunately quite afew of my friends have moved away and I am suddenly faced with having to find new people to meet. I have been a SAHM for 3 years and its beginning to take its toll upon me.

I have limited options for work here (whenever that would happen) and no support from family. DH works alot which means I have trouble making time for language courses or even perhaps a yoga class. He often works in the evenings at home too.

He really wishes to stay and my heart is no longer in it. My family offerred several years ago the opportunity to manage their orchard which he turned down. I respected that even though he handled it badly, but am now wishing that it was otherwise. Would around parents and sister who has kids the same age as ours.

I have travelled alot and am starting to want a home and not a rented flat with no garden.

Changed my name. I have not asked support of MN before and feel abit

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oxocube · 29/09/2006 10:54

Its tough, Most. We have been in Holland now for 5 yrs, before that lived in Switzerland for 4 years and now DH wants to move to Singapore - good job opportunity. I hear it all, I know it could be a good life, and it nmakes sense but I have such great friends here now and we have our own lovely house and am not sure I want to move. It won't be until next year in anycase but just can't get excited about the possibility even though I should be.

Papillon · 29/09/2006 10:57

Have lived in area before (Napier) it really has grown as an area and I still have quite afew good friends there as quite alot in Wellington.

I really don´t want to romantise the whole thing - which is why I am so not sure what is right yet. I want to look at the dream I had last night in alot more detail.

oxocube that sounds really tough. DH has images of this, working in different places around the world. There are few women around these days who are interested in trailing around after their husbands career and are completely happy.

anniemac · 29/09/2006 11:01

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morocco · 29/09/2006 11:13

it's a really tough call. I'm sorry your good friends are leaving, I know how unsettling it is to be the one 'left behind'. I had a couple of thoughts reading through your posts. The first was that your dh doesn't seem to be in any mood for any kind of compromise at all - is that really how he is? If so, he needs a good kick up the backside (sorry!) to realise that it's much tougher for you at home than for him and he might end up losing you altogether if he's not more careful how he treats you.
I noticed you were talking about all going to NZ as a family and how he couldn't face going for more than a month. While the kids are young, why don't you and kids go back for longer? He'd get used to it and it would give him an idea how lonely is is without you all around ie how wonderful you are and how he should look after you. We used to do this all the time and it worked out really well for us eg I'd go back, spend 3 weeks there, then dh would join us for a few weeks, then he'd go back and I'd stay on for another few weeks.
Things might also be easier for you if you did change country to somewhere more 'expat' where you could get a job easier and/or meet other mums more easily. That could be another compromise.
Sorry to throw ideas at you - it comes from sympathy and empathy - hope things work out for you

anniemac · 29/09/2006 11:18

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Papillon · 29/09/2006 12:25

You are right Morocco my dh is in no mood to compromise and when I asked him, he hopes I will just go off the idea. (head in sand)

DH does not want to come with us in January. He does not see any point as he states, has already seen NZ (family not necessary to see apparently! - He has mother and sister with ds in NZ.) and it takes up all his holidays. But he gets lots of overtime so it needs not be the case.

So dd, ds and I am going for 6 weeks. First to SF to see my brother then onto NZ. I will have to go stay with all his family of course - which is not a problem.

He is supportive of what suits him. Which most people are like I guess!

SSSandy · 29/09/2006 17:29

He doesn't sound keen on his family or NZ. Wonder why that is?

Have to admit that I like to visit new countries when I go away and not keep returning to the holiday destinations I know but still family is important.

FENNEKEPANS · 18/11/2006 17:35

What you do when you want to go back home, to your people, your roots, your way of life and you feel you cannot separate your child from his dad. the relatiuonship is not bad but i dont like the way of life here and feel with no option

Papillon · 18/11/2006 17:42

Is going home not easy to do Fennekepans? You can talk to me / us if you want

FENNEKEPANS · 19/11/2006 14:01

Hi papillon

thank you for repling. Is not that going home is not easy. IS THE FACT THAT WHEN YOU GO HOME ALL YOUR FEELINGS AWAKE AND THEN YOU THINK ABOUT IF IF REALLY WANT TO SPENT ALL YOUR LIFE LIVING THE ENGLISH WAY. I FIND LIFE HERE HARD IN TERMS OF MAKING FRIENDS, LIVING THE WAY THAT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE SO ORGANISED AND THE FACT THAT THINGS RE SO COLD. I COME FROM A BIG AND CLOSE FAMILY AND MISS THEM SO MUCH.
PROBABLY I AM NOT GOING THROUGH A NICE TIME, BUT FROM TIME TO TIME I FEEL THIS WAY OF LIVE IS NOT FOR ME.
I DONDT KNOW IF YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN. SOMETIMES I FEEL I AM IN A JOURNEY AND I CAN COPE. OTHER TIME I BRAKE IN PIECES.

belgo · 19/11/2006 14:07

Do you have the option to return home Fennekepans? What does your dh think about this? Would you have to leave your dh to return home?

Papillon · 20/11/2006 07:34

Oh I understand what you are saying FENNEKEPANS. I am from a close family too and want my children to feel that family vibe.

Sorry to hear its hard to make friends - do you know any Spanish people close by or other spanish speakers? Many of my friends here have become abit like family, one is from Peru and so are abit like sisters.

FENNEKEPANS · 21/11/2006 18:28

Hi papillon

WHERE ARE YOU FROM??? HOW DO YOU KNOW I TALK SPANISH???

WHERE ABOUTS YOU ARE LOCATED IT?

I AM FEELING A LOT BETTER, BUT SOMETIMES IS THE FEELING THAT ACUMULATES.

THE PROBLEM IS NOT FOR MY CHILD, IS FOR ME BECAUSE I WANT TO GIVE HER SOMETHING I HAD, BUT HERE IS A DIFFERENT STORY. AND WELL BEING REALISTIC SHE DOESENT KNOW A DIFFERENT LIFE FROM HERE.

BUT IT IS YOUR ROOTHS AND WHAT YOU ARE AS A PERSON.

Papillon · 21/11/2006 19:31

Hey FENNEKEPANS

I have never seen your name here on MN before, so don´t be offended but I searched your name and figured you were spanish. MN has been abit unsettled this year, so I was just doing a back ground check iykwim, cos this thread was quiet for the last 2 months.

Spain is not far from England, are you able to go back for long holidays (like at least one month) during your daughters school holidays?

I am from New Zealand but have lived in Switzerland for the last 6 years.

It is a feeling that accumulates, you seem to be in touch with your emotional feelings which is good I am finding it is good to recognise those feelings. Today I had a spiritual energy work session, and I feel really good for this. I needed it has I have been feeling really blocked and very militant towards my husband and to life here. My soul feels like it has been given a lift

I try and take little steps rather than big steps, so that I dont hurt people in my life and myself. So I journey though these feelings slowly because I am finding it hard to recognise even myself at the moment.

SenoraPostrophe · 21/11/2006 19:36

hi FENNEKEPANS

I know EXACTLY how you feel. I'm english but in spain. I do have some very good friends here but it took a long time, and I also want the children to have an upbringing that is more similar to my own. None of my expat friends here seem to understand that, but a Spanish friend who lives in the UK does. perhaps I am more spanish than I think.

where are you anyway?

FENNEKEPANS · 26/11/2006 20:56

Hi papillon and sra POSTROPE AND BELGO:

IT IS NICE WHEN YOU FEEL LOW TO HAVE SOMEONE TO TALK.
I AM FEELING MUCH BETTER, EVEN THOUGHT THAT I REALIZE ONE OF MY PROBLEMS IS THAT I AM HOMESICK.
SOMETIMES YOU PRETEND THAT EVERYTHING IS OK, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY FEELINGS ACCUMULATE AND THEN YOUHAVE TO FACE THEM....THEN IS WHEN REALITY HIT YOU. I DONT KNOW IF YOU HAVE LEAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR BUT IS SOMETHING INSIDE YOUR ROOTHS. PART OF WHAT YOU ARE AND YOUR HEART. I BELIEVE THAT WHERE EVER YOU GO YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE BEST, AND TRY TO MAKE IT WORK, BUT SOMETIMES IS DIFFICULT.

I DECIDE NEXT WEEK TO TAKE A BREAK, AND GO TO SEE MY SISTER, IN SPAIN. AS WELL HOPE TO HAVE SOME HEALING. I BELIEVE IN ENERGIES AND LAST YEAR HAVE THE MOST FANTASTIC HEALING WORK.

THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO BE AWARE OF YOUR FEELINGS AND TAKE IT EASY, AS YOU SAID NOT TO HURT ANYONE ELSE.

PAPILLON WHAT TYPE OF HEALING ARE YOU INTO???

TALK TO YOU AGAIN

HAVE A GREAT WEEK AND KEEP SMILING

'THE POINT IS NOT TO LIVE FOREVER,
BUT TO LIVE SO FOREVER KNOWS
YOU WERE ONCE HERE!!!!!

FENNEKEPANS · 26/11/2006 20:56

Hi papillon and sra POSTROPE AND BELGO:

IT IS NICE WHEN YOU FEEL LOW TO HAVE SOMEONE TO TALK.
I AM FEELING MUCH BETTER, EVEN THOUGHT THAT I REALIZE ONE OF MY PROBLEMS IS THAT I AM HOMESICK.
SOMETIMES YOU PRETEND THAT EVERYTHING IS OK, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY FEELINGS ACCUMULATE AND THEN YOUHAVE TO FACE THEM....THEN IS WHEN REALITY HIT YOU. I DONT KNOW IF YOU HAVE LEAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR BUT IS SOMETHING INSIDE YOUR ROOTHS. PART OF WHAT YOU ARE AND YOUR HEART. I BELIEVE THAT WHERE EVER YOU GO YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE BEST, AND TRY TO MAKE IT WORK, BUT SOMETIMES IS DIFFICULT.

I DECIDE NEXT WEEK TO TAKE A BREAK, AND GO TO SEE MY SISTER, IN SPAIN. AS WELL HOPE TO HAVE SOME HEALING. I BELIEVE IN ENERGIES AND LAST YEAR HAVE THE MOST FANTASTIC HEALING WORK.

THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO BE AWARE OF YOUR FEELINGS AND TAKE IT EASY, AS YOU SAID NOT TO HURT ANYONE ELSE.

PAPILLON WHAT TYPE OF HEALING ARE YOU INTO???

TALK TO YOU AGAIN

HAVE A GREAT WEEK AND KEEP SMILING

'THE POINT IS NOT TO LIVE FOREVER,
BUT TO LIVE SO FOREVER KNOWS
YOU WERE ONCE HERE!!!!!

vizbizz · 26/11/2006 21:39

Wow, 6 years so far away from home. No wonder you want to get back! It's hard being a mum any time - it is a lonely experience, but to be so far from loved ones makes it more so. At least I am in another country that is similar and speaks the same language. When are you going home for your visit?

I am in NZ, have been for 3.5 years. I am from Sydney, and hate being this far away from family (which on a global scale is reasonably close). It wouldn't be so bad, but with a mortgage and a crappy NZ wage, we just can't afford to go back often. I hate it here - Chch is so full of stuffy self important people.

Papillon · 29/11/2006 14:23

Yup vizbizz - 6 years. You are right CHCH is full of little big people atttitude, big fish in little pond... so is Wellington I found last time living there. Heaps less friendly than it used to be. Everywhre has become more "international".

Switzerland is not super friendly and quite formal so self important people don´t worry so much these days

Hi Fennekepanns

Great to hear you off to visit your sister have a wonderful time and enjoy any healings you have

I think life is abit like a bottle and different parts of life can make everything else too much to fit in the bottle. Life in Switzerland has reached that point for me, and while NZ is not the perfect option my soul is not existing well here anymore - and I need to face the reality of that - even though I don´t want to hurt others I know I am very central to this family for it to work, so if I am not happy then no one else is really.

I am very interested in the Soul atm. I am interested in daily occurences around me, signs, numbers, the energy of people who want to interact with me. So I am quite watchful of what is happening around me. I am interested in empathy and working with energy - helping it move when it should and in the power of love and contact, in communication an din the physical.... my son has woken up must dash!

Papillon · 29/11/2006 15:11

Actually what I was trying to say b4 my ds woke up was... that I Like living with family have always been quite into tribal living. This way we live in apartments or so separate from people corrodes my soul - I think I should have been born in the jungle in a tribe really!

MuckyAnthea · 04/01/2007 04:45

This thread is interesting, and I hope it is ok bumping it back up. This is my story.

We have lived in China now for nearly 5 years. We were only supposed to be here for 2, but OH's contract keeps being renewed, and its beneficial 'package wise' for us to stay. Our goal was always for us to work here, and gain enough savings for us to buy our first house in Australia. We have recently just been granted Australian resident visa status, which will allow us to do this.

My problem is this, while we have lived here, I have become cut off from my friends and family. The reason being is because no-one has visited us, meaning they have a false perception of our life here. As such, I feel I have lost any connection with them. I know they think I have it easy, I don't work, I have a cleaner, and we are able to live a pretty good lifestyle. The thing is, its all a facade. China is a hard place to live, I mean whenever I go to the shops to buy food, I'm aware I am a laughing stock to people here, its like living in a goldfish bowl. No matter where you go, theres always people watching/staring at you. As I have a pretty good understanding of Mandarin, I am also aware of what people are saying about me, which can be hurtful when you know people are laughing at the size of your arse for example. Sometimes I feel it was better when I lived my days in a bubble of non understanding and awareness of what was going on around me.

My boyfriend has had an affair while we have lived here, he has never really gone into great lengths to dicuss it with me, I discovered it was going on, by a great desire to check his phone one day. I found text messages from his secretary, and that was it. The next day I told him, and he said that was it, the affair was finished. And we said no more about it. This was a year and a half ago. Secretly though, I have a gut feeling, it has never ended. For some reason I just accept it and get on with life.

As each day goes by, I am finding it harder and harder to live here, without feeling as though we should have some sort of proper committment to each other, we are not married [we have been together 17 years though] and I always felt once we got our visa to Oz, everything would work out, we would leave China and buy our house and finally settle down. But now we have our visa, he wants to stay in China another two years.

I don't think mentally I can cope living here for that long, by the time we leave I would be 36, I always hoped by now I would be living in my own home, married with children. The longer we stay here, the less this goal will be realised.

We have arguments/discussions about our relationship, and how it does not seem normal that we have been together so long, yet have nothing actually in concrete binding us together. Only last night he told me it bothers him, he does love me, but perhaps not in the right way. I told him perhaps he loves me like you would love a dog, he does not love me like I am a woman. I hope this makes sense.

So I feel I am coming to the end of the relationship, yet I have no where to go. I cannot move back to my home town, I cannot move back to the town where my friends live, my only other alternative is Australia, but I am not sure where. I am not sure I know how to trust myself again and move on. Although I am 34, I feel like I did when I was 17, unsure and insecure. I feel cut off from reality, and I don't know my own mind. I feel my life has been put on hold for the last 4 years, and now I am making a break for normality. But I don't know how to do it. I have lost all sense of my identity, and I don't know who I am, or where I am supposed to be.

I guess I am reaching out to a forum of strangers, because I have no guidence around me, as someone mentioned before - expat friendships can be fickle, and over the years I have withdrawn from the community here, and now live my life in my own world.

I just need to get this out, perhaps someone can other advice, I don't know. I just need to know I am not losing it.

Thanks for reading.

Papillon · 04/01/2007 06:47

MuckyAnthea geez girl, you need your own thread with that story.

I am glad you have posted and just wanted to let you know that

Take heart, that you are only 34 and have alot of life left in you. Why could you not return home?? Or move the same country as old friends and family? You seem separated from loved ones and that is tough that nobody has come visit.

I hope some other come to support you on here, if not copy and paste your post over to a new thread.

Take Care

arfishyheauheauheau · 04/01/2007 08:42

Oh Mucky, what a tale. You must really feel in limbo about everything.

What are your options? Are you able to leave DP (if that's what you want) and not work for a while? Can you travel home and test the waters? Meet up with your friends again and try to get your old life back?

How about a holiday to Sydney without DP (does your visa permit you to settle in Sydney?). If you can travel to Australia perhaps you can decide if you'd like to settle here for a while on your own and start a new life. Scary stuff, but not undoable (I came here on my own with a 2yo DD in tow) - you could try it for 6 months and if you don't like it, move on.

It's very difficult separating as an expat, it really is. Keep us posted, there are plenty of us here who can offer helpful advice and long distance friendship (and we promise not to mention the size of your arse, ok? )

rocketupbum · 04/01/2007 12:32

So sorry to hear your story.
Don't underestimate the old links with family and friends. Just because you have been away for so long things don't change all that much. Because of your state of mind you may have lost confidence in your ability to communicate with old contacts.
Maybe this is the time to strenghten those links. At the end of a long relationship these will be the people you need the most.
Take care

MuckyAnthea · 05/01/2007 02:17

Thanks rocketupbum, arfishyheauheauheau and Papillon for your responses. Like anywhere, you have your ups and your downs. I think yesterday was for sure a down day! Am feeling more optimistic today. I guess I just needed to get my worries out, and felt this was a good place to do that. So thanks for reading, and I hope all is well with you guys. I am sure my situation will turn out for the best. Have any of you read The Alchemist? I was reading it last night, and some of it hit home, and I think I just to hang on in there, and just see the next few months in, before I make any rash decisions.

arfishyheauheauheau - where abouts in Oz are you? you are brave going out there alone with a child, do you have family out there or something?

Take care all
MA

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