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How to deal with friend who criticises my appearance?

80 replies

stargirl04 · 25/09/2014 21:01

Hi,

I have a friend who I've known for 25 years whose company I enjoy but she is always trying to "improve" me.

On the one hand, I'm going through a tough time at the moment and she's been really concerned and helped in concrete ways.

On the other hand, I met her for lunch today and she asked me if I had ever considered plastic surgery.

I'm almost 49 and well past the first flush of youth but I have come to accept my wrinkles, and if men don't like them, I couldn't care less!

I know I have smokers' lines around my mouth and they do annoy me but that's a problem you can't correct with surgery. I said to her that "some" celebs (though not all) who'd had stuff done to their lips/mouth area end up looking like the Joker in Batman, so I'd "rather keep my wrinkles and age gracefully."

She said: "Did you used to smoke?" and I said, "No, I have never smoked in my life. It's just bad luck."

Then she said: "You should go back to the gym and try to lose weight." I'm a size 16 and have recently started going to the gym, so she said, "But you haven't lost weight. Don't you want to be healthy?"

I said that my weight was nobody else's business and that looking perfect was not everyone's priority. Instead of focusing on their appearance some people might want to study quantum physics or the works of Plato, for example (though not I) and that owing to time constraints, something had to give. Waistlines, perhaps.

She's lost a good few friends over the years, some mutual, and today she told me that those who remain don't call her so often and wondered why.

I am tired of her remarks - as this has gone on years (even when I was thin and smooth skinned!) - and want to tackle it but I'm not sure about the best way to go about it.

First there's the adult approach: I email or text her in the next few days saying that while I value her friendship and the concrete help she's given me in my current difficulty, I find her comments about my appearance hurtful?

However, she will justify it, say she never meant to cause offence and imply that I'm hypersensitive.

Or should I try a different approach and do nothing until the next time I see her, wait for the barbed comment, then say, "Remember when you told me last time we met that some friends never called you? Perhaps this is the reason...." etc

Or should I try the same tactic back and say... "Hmm, given all the exercise you do you do still have a large bottom and I wondered how you felt about that? Would you ever consider a bottom lift?

I risk our friendship, yes, and feel a bit churlish after the way she's helped me with my difficulty (which I don't want to go into), but really don't want this to continue. Even if I had a friend who was 30 stone and looked 100 I would never, ever pass comment about it or bring it up in any way.

Thanks for reading, mumsnetters.

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BOFster · 25/09/2014 22:27

I like your approach, jessym.

springlamb · 25/09/2014 22:28

I've known two of these, luckily not at the same time!
With one, I just simply cut contact very suddenly and just returned to Hi at the school gate.
With the other, I tried to extricate myself without causing hurt but when she proudly presented me with a book on 'your battle with cellulite' for my 40th birthday, I speeded up the process. My other friends bought me smelliest and CHOCOLATE.
In the cold light of day afterwards, I think these particular women both saw me as their project to stave off having to examine their own lives, they both had issues.
There's no doubt I am carrying a stone or so more than I should, I don't dress well, I don't go to the hairdressers enough, and don't panic if there's no time for make-up in the morning - but I'm nobody's whipping boy.

Twinklestein · 25/09/2014 22:34

She's not a friend, she's a frenemy...

In the words of Bob Dylan: "You gotta a lot of nerve to say you are my friend, you just want to be on the side that's winning".

Mrsgrumble · 25/09/2014 22:39

I would cut my losses, she's no friend. She sounds vile and nasty. Hold your head up high, be yourself and enjoy your other good friends but steer clear of her.

Darkesteyes · 25/09/2014 22:54

Shes actually wondering why shes losing friends? Blimey.

I love that Bob Dylan quote.

Hatespiders · 25/09/2014 23:30

What a cheek she has! I'd send her an e mail telling her exactly how you feel about her rude and inappropriate remarks, and finishing with a firm demand to end the 'friendship'. If she tries to get back to you, don't reply.
Ok, she's helped you in the past but no doubt you were grateful at the time, It doesn't buy her the right to insult and boss you around forever more.

Bellyrub1980 · 26/09/2014 05:51

I had a friend like that for years. My best friend actually, from the age of 4 till about 25. I think she was undermining my confidence from such a young age I didn't know any different.

The reason I stayed friends with her was because she was absolutely hilarious. Time with her was guaranteed fun provided you were willing to overlook the comments which I did without thinking, I genuinely believed I was fat and ugly so never really challenged her views in my own mind. I look back at photos now, I was NEVER fat and ugly. (Although I must say this was all reinforced by my brother who did the exact same... Unlucky coincidence I guess)

It took about 5 years to phase her out of my life completely (during which time I went to uni so there were big long gaps between having to see her and lots of convenient excuses). I didn't want things to be awkward if I ever bumped into her because she can be very confrontational! I hate to admit it, but I was a bit scared of her!! But as it happened she just wouldn't take the the hint or allow us to 'grow apart' like I wanted it to appear. Eventually I had to just stop answering calls and replying to messages. It took a full year for her to delete me from Facebook. She was angry, she sent me a few messages asking me to explain. I kept ignoring her and ultimately she gave up and I was relieved it was over. It's weird how someone who appeared to dislike me so much, so valued our friendship. I really felt tempted to write her a letter explaining it all, but I wouldn't put it past her to post it on Facebook so didn't bother.

I now have proper friends who would never dream of talking to me like that. My DP can't believe I ever had a friend like that (he never met her) or that I was submissive enough to put up with it. I can't believe it either!

It's such a shame so many of my childhood and teenage memories involve her. I really really wish I cut her loose sooner.

You should do the same.

pippinleaf · 26/09/2014 05:57

I'd go with 'you seem over interested in appearance, I feel sorry for you. It must be upsetting to be so hung up over it. Maybe making me feel bad is helping you feel better?'

An adult approach is not an email or text. Just say it to her face.

Heyho111 · 26/09/2014 06:34

I think you need to be honest and tell her straight.
You've been a real support but I find your comments extremely hurtful not helpful. I am not being sensitive I just feel it's my concern and not yours. I am actually happy the way I am and that's all that matters.

If she says you are being over the top.
Say - no , I want to stay friends but you will loose me too if you continue. You need to respect my opinion even if you disagree with it.

Rollypoly100 · 26/09/2014 06:59

I love that song. I used to work for a woman boss who constantly criticised me. "Rolly, what funny shoes - where did they come from", "that's an extraordinary outfit". Of course I never said anything as I worked for her and I was much younger (and not brave enough to confront her). I realise now it's a control thing. I agree with others - ditch.

LoonvanBoon · 26/09/2014 10:36

Another fan of the jessym approach here. Wait until she does it again, then address it there & then, verbally. You're fed up with her comments about your appearance, it's none of her business, she needs to stop.

If she does respond with some guff about you being oversensitive, you need to repeat that you're not prepared to put up with her personal comments & that she needs to stop them if your friendship is going to continue.

I wouldn't go for any kind of approach that tells her how you feel when she says these things - I wouldn't want to show my vulnerability to someone who, frankly, sounds like a total bitch.

I suspect she won't change her ways, but the direct approach does at least let her know what you are / aren't prepared to put up with, & gives her a chance (just one, mind) to bloody well sort it out. I bet she's not making rude remarks about her boss's appearance at work: she can control this if she wants to.

QuintessentiallyQS · 26/09/2014 10:42

I would bring a notebook, and write down all the put downs.
Then list them up to her at the end of lunch, and say "If you wondered why so many friends steer away from you, it might be because of your constant criticism and know better attitude. They may not be as patient with you as I am, but to be honest, the patience is wearing thinner with each wrinkle or grey hair, so in your shoes, I would give a little thought to what you have to gain from picking peoples appearance apart?"

Then walk away as gracefully as you can. Good luck.

BerylStreep · 26/09/2014 11:06

"Look, I have had more than enough of these rude comments about my appearance. I value your friendship, but this really has to stop. I want us to stay friends, but if you are not prepared to stop making these comments, that won't be possible"

Great line. However, I think that the personal comments actually betray the fact that she has no respect for you as a person, so why would you want to remain friends, even if the personal comments stop?

Funny, your thread has put me in mind of various 'friends' over the years who made 'helpful' comments.

I remember a male friend who after I had just bought a sports car said 'it's lovely, doesn't it make you want to lose a bit of weight so that your image goes with the car.' I told him I was perfectly happy with my weight (and looking back, I was a lovely weight not like now).

Another used to make constant comments about my weight (strangely, I was also slim then) and I said to him 'could we maybe just have one night out together where you don't discuss my weight?'

A girl I was friends with used to insist on commenting on weight every time I saw her 'oh, you look great, have you lost weight?' She was a pain in thee arse.

I could weep for the years I spent thinking I was overweight, when in fact I was completely normal. No wonder people have body image issues.

AimlesslyPurposeful · 26/09/2014 11:09

Be direct - JessyMs post was great. It was to the point, honest but not rude.

It sounds like she's suffering from insecurities about her own appearance and perhaps pointing out your flaws makes her feel better. I'm in no way excusing her comments, she's downright rude, but she may not even realise why she says the things she does.

Do you think she's worried about getting older? Has she recently had a milestone birthday or is there one on the horizon? It's often our own physical features we're concerned about when we scrutinise other people - I know I spend a lot of time looking at other people's necks!

stargirl04 · 26/09/2014 12:53

There is brilliant advice here - thanks Oh-wise-mumsnetters.

My "frenemy" is 50 next year, so yes, a milestone birthday coming up as a PP wondered. She is always immaculately turned out whereas I am a t-shirt and jeans woman. And she wants to meet a man, whereas (clearly) I couldn't care less!

What Bellyrub said particularly resonated with me as I have endured her criticism for 25 years and even have mutual friends (but ex-friends of hers) who say "I don't know you tolerate her".

I've tried various ways to extricate myself over the years but she's like a horror movie monster in that every time you think it's dead and buried, back she comes! She's been very persistent in maintaining contact with me and I give in because I'm a soft touch and too forgiving of people.

Once we didn't speak for two years but then she rang me up one day out of the blue, met up again and that was in 2010. Sigh.....

She is an interesting woman, intelligent, with an interesting life, but a bully. Bellyrub, I totally understand why you felt afraid of your "friend" as I have felt this way too over the years, though less so now.

The last time I saw her, about 6 weeks ago, I came away with that "ick" feeling, as she'd been ranting on about benefit scroungers (yet believes she's left wing). I remained calm and said that rather than picking on the vulnerable, perhaps the government should make more strenuous efforts to target the rich tax avoiders who defraud the country out of millions of pounds. But that's another story.

Once again, great advice here - thanks! I won't let this situation continue for much longer. Action will be taken the next time we meet!

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kaykayblue · 26/09/2014 13:09

I would wait for her to ask "why don't you get your teeth done" or whatever and then reply with a straight faced "Because I'm not as shallow or superficial as you?"

If she takes offence, you can just say "oh I'm sorry - I thought that you considered blunt honesty an endearing personality trait?"

Darkesteyes · 26/09/2014 14:40

Ooh i like that pippinleaf Im going to use that as well Thanks

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/09/2014 14:56

What do you get out of this with this frenemy?.

"I've tried various ways to extricate myself over the years but she's like a horror movie monster in that every time you think it's dead and buried, back she comes! She's been very persistent in maintaining contact with me and I give in because I'm a soft touch and too forgiving of people".

She knows this and this is why she keeps coming back to you. You are a person, not a house to be further improved and/or done up!.

Such a person should be cut off and with immediate effect to boot. Such toxic friendships are harmful to your health.

hellsbellsmelons · 26/09/2014 15:08

Just tell her next time you see here
'Before you start critising me... just don't OK? Just don't. I don't appreciate it at all. You knock my confidence and it's not nice. Look internally at people. That is what counts. Beauty comes from the inside.
Yes you look wonderful every time I see you. But you have very few friends left and it's because when you pick at people it's not nice. No-one likes it and people drop you because you come across as a bitch.
If you like me as a person, that's what I care about.

The next time you start to criticise me in any way shape or form I shall be walking away from you and our friendship. I hope that's clear.'

stargirl04 · 26/09/2014 16:49

I just remembered too that after she'd finished lecturing me on my weight, plastic surgery and the gym, she told me I should cook more because it was healthier.

I don't do much cooking as I'm just not interested in it - and it is nobody else's business but mine... but would she let up? No.

The more I think about it the more I think she has got to go.

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BerylStreep · 26/09/2014 16:57

In what way does she actually enhance your life?

Bakeoffcakes · 26/09/2014 17:04

Gosh she's sounding worse and worse. I think I' be quite direct but polite(cos I'm a wuss) I'd say something like-

"Do you realise you keep picking on my appearance? I really don't like it, can you change the subject.?"

Joysmum · 26/09/2014 17:08

Some do it because they really are that socially inept and think they are helping. That's a very small minority though in my experience.

The majority are those who like to think they are so superior to others and with the people they aren't superior enough to, the resort to putting them down and they can't raise their own game enough to achieve that feeling if superiority.

Question is, is your friend genuinely trying to help and massively socially inept at it, or is she one of the nasty ones out to stroke her own ego at the expense of you?

If it's the rare first case, there could be merit in educating her socially Wink

If it's the second, it's not much if a friendship.

wfielder · 26/09/2014 17:14

Next time she picks fault, just laugh and say,

"If I was as rude as you, I'd mention your fat arse, but I'm not so I won't"

Then change the subject.

stargirl04 · 26/09/2014 17:56

Joysmum - that's exactly the defence she would use - that she's trying to help.

I actually think she's a sociopath, or has some form of something or other. She has no empathy whatsoever.

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